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w0mu

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

Dick,

I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to
build a system to you out in the desert?

That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to
Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered
at the time WAY out there.

My office is in Castle Rock, CO a town of 30k plus. We have one
provider for internet. Century link. I think it is up to 9mb now DSL.
Xfininity is working on bringing their cable down the road. Project to
take up to 9 months. I have no clue how they are paying for it.

While you may get your internet, what you have to pay for it might make
you ill.

Let us not forget all the new add on taxes and fees that will be paying
because of all these regulations and the expense that the providers are
going to have to pay to stay within the regulations. Who is going to
police this? Oh the FCC needs to hire more staff. Who pays for that?
The tax payer. More taxes.

I think we were just scared of the big ole FCC back in the day. I don't
think they were much different, we just got smarter.

There is no pot of gold. The money comes from somebody.

Mike W0MU

On 2/26/2015 10:51 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:

> Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with
> DSL and streaming
> movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the B&W days.
>
> If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>> Tony,
>> All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as
>> well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service.
>> Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers.
>> It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their
>> customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy
>> world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able
>> to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the
>> one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott, N9AA
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner"
>>>> it....
>>>> ==========
>>> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company,
>>> Netflix, can
>>> corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of
>>> internet
>>> traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling.
>>> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm
>>> not a
>>> regulator.
>>>
>>> Tony KT0NY
>>>
>>
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

In reply to this post by Cliff Frescura

The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of
control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to
resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses -
FOREVER. Remember:
No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in
session. -- Mark Twain (1866)
Ken - ke4rg
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Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire
internet<snip>

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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

In reply to this post by Al Gulseth-2

I had an issue with my ISP a few years ago. We had been using DSL
for a few years without trouble when all of a sudden our access would
drop out about once every 2-3 minutes making is impossible to
download or upload e-mail or view a website.

I called the tech line of our ISP and asked that they troubleshoot
it. They came back saying that our connection equipment at the local
wire site was old and needed to be upgraded (which would take several
months they implied). I countered by saying that its real "funny"
that we have had good fast service for a couple years and now all of
sudden our equipment is unable to support the service we have been
enjoying. I then said "that certainly the phone company didn't swap
out our equipment (with old junk) to turn up a new customer - did
they?" Our ISP was expanding at an explosive pace so it wouldn't
surprise me if they did just that.

Then I said our service better be fixed, today or I will file a
complaint against them with the State RCA (Regulatory Commission of
Alaska). Then I hung up. Our internet service was fixed in one
hour...and never had another issue like that, again.

Funny how speaking the "magic words" solves problems.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Gary Smith-2

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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I keep getting ads for Comcast & Verizon on how much I will benefit
from their services.

Come here, want to buy some candy?

My reality is I pay our local Cable provider $102/month for expanded
Basic which has all of the major networks I am interested in. With
this I also get internet which officially is 100Mbps download/20Mbps
upload. In reality I get 125Mbps download/30Mbps upload. None of my
downloading is throttled, ever.

No way Verizon or Comcast will give me all this for $102/month.

73,
Gary
KA1J

> Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to
> charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were
> counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen
> weren't going to get any of it.
>
> The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" it.
> Instead try making money the old-fashioned way...
>
> I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to
> keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some
> of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast
> tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra
> bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they**
> make. .
>
> No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out.
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Even the Translated one is interesting
> > From: Tom McCulloch <[hidden email]>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
> > in Morse code!!
> >
> > I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most!
> >
> > Tom
> > WB2QDG
> > K2 1103
> >
> >
> > On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:
> > > "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- -
> > .... . ..-. -.-. -.-."
> > > (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their
> > website.)
> > > There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century
> > can
> > > read the translated statement here":
> > >
> > >
> > http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet
> > >
> > > 73, Al
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

Net Neutrality is no more than a guvmint takeover of the internet. Look at
what a mess they're making of our healthcare system. Net Neutrality is no
more "neutral" than the our healthcare is "affordable" as in the "affordable
healthcare act. Their ultimate goal is content control and secondarily, to
impose more taxes.

Be careful what you wish (vote) for.

Charlie k3ICH

Who was it who said if the gov't was put in charge of the Sahara, in five
years there's be a shortage of sand.

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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this topic.

Please continue this discussion elsewhere, off-list.

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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I keep getting ads for Comcast & Verizon on how much I will benefit
> from their services.
>
> ....
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Fred Smith-2

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Just another one (of many) of "The KINGS Decrees" that his flunkies were
commanded to make happed that he didn't have to do with a stroke of his pen.
That way didn't take away from his golf game time.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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Morse code!!

On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really
> know what is in them?

Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC - the ones
that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not
have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband was not a utility".

Seems to me the industry got what they wanted <G> forced the Commission to
reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice and
cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their
right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks
to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and
cable are utilities?

73,

... Joe, W4TV
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Fred Smith-2

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

In reply to this post by w0mu

I live in the country 7 mi. from town pop. Of 7,900 and we have wireless
internet with speed of 1 meg. But that's OK we lived for over 20 yrs with
dial-up for 10 of those. We had that choice and made it I would hate to see
what the so called higher speeds would cost us and would hate to pay for
everyone else's either. As for movies we can't watch any and most of the
time can't watch a u-tube without it stopping a dozen times for a 3 min.
one.

The FCC has no business in this area period, even if the King want it.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!

Dick,

I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to build a
system to you out in the desert?

That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to
Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered at
the time WAY out there.

My office is in Castle Rock, CO a town of 30k plus. We have one provider
for internet. Century link. I think it is up to 9mb now DSL.
Xfininity is working on bringing their cable down the road. Project to take
up to 9 months. I have no clue how they are paying for it.

While you may get your internet, what you have to pay for it might make you
ill.

Let us not forget all the new add on taxes and fees that will be paying
because of all these regulations and the expense that the providers are
going to have to pay to stay within the regulations. Who is going to police
this? Oh the FCC needs to hire more staff. Who pays for that?
The tax payer. More taxes.

I think we were just scared of the big ole FCC back in the day. I don't
think they were much different, we just got smarter.

There is no pot of gold. The money comes from somebody.

Mike W0MU

On 2/26/2015 10:51 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:

> Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with
> DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral
> back in the B&W days.
>
> If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>> Tony,
>> All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as
>> well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service.
>> Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers.
>> It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their
>> customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy
>> world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able
>> to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the
>> one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott, N9AA
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner"
>>>> it....
>>>> ==========
>>> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company,
>>> Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for
>>> up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only
>>> beneficiary of this ruling.
>>> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm
>>> not a regulator.
>>>
>>> Tony KT0NY
>>>
>>
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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Amen.

There is a Yahoo Group for those who wish to discuss this:

* Net Neutrality - Fact or Fiction
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Net_Neutrality/info>

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 2/27/2015 5:26 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this topic.
>
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>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I keep getting ads for Comcast & Verizon on how much I will benefit
>> from their services.
>>
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Ted Roycraft-2

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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I am Comcast's customer. Not Netflix. I pay more for a higher grade of
service (higher speed). I'm paying for the pipe. How I use it is my
business. Comcast shouldn't further tax the other end of my connection
or slow it down because the other end isn't paying Comcast anything.
Have you looked at your cable bill lately? Companies like Comcast aren't
suffering and it is to their advantage to improve services because they
can continue, under the new regulations, charge us, their customers, more.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 2/27/2015 12:30 AM, dave wrote:

>
> Be careful what you wish for here. Keep in mind that once the
> entrenched providers get the regs they crave new services will grind
> to a halt. There will simply be too many barriers to entry. No new
> competitors will enter the field. At least not until the subsidies get
> so grossly unbalanced that the pot of gold is then worth the effort
> (see MCI vs AT&T).
>
> The internet has grown rapidly *because* it is not regulated. Once it
> gets regulated then everything must go through regulatory approval.
> There will fewer and fewer new services.
>
> A good example of this is 'high speed' - 64 kb - data service to the
> home. AT&T had the technology available in the early to mid 70's.
> Called it ISDN. But due to both internal politics and regulatory
> issues it was not rolled out until the early 90's. Much too late. The
> same thing will happen once the pols take over the internet. Nothing
> will get approved without them getting their cut.
>
> As for those who say the the internet is a utility . . . well . . .
> your electric service is a utility. Does everyone pay the same
> electric bill no matter how much electricity they use? Broadband
> should be no different. Those who use the most should pay the most.
> There is no justification for taxing those who use little bandwidth to
> subsidize the heavy users. Let the heavy users pay their fair share
> and not burden those who are light users.
>
> Just as in electricity, it is cheap and easy to measure the quantity
> consumed by each user. No justification whatsoever for charging one
> flat fee to all (none that is, other than "I want somebody else to pay
> for my bandwidth").
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
>
>
>
> On 2/26/15 10:30 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>>> Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really
>>> know what is in them?
>>
>> Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC -
>> the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the
>> Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband
>> was not a utility".
>>
>> Seems to me the industry got what they wanted <G> forced the Commission
>> to reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice
>> and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who
>> in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very
>> same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons
>> that voice and cable are utilities?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting roads around here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no good for everyone else who shares the limited lane space.

As for 100 MB downloads in my lifetime comment. I just did a speed test (speedtest.net) and my results are:

124.39 Mbps download

12.35 Mbps upload

My service is Comcast cable Internet, cost about $55 per month. I am a charter subscriber as I signed up for the service when it was first offered in our neighborhood back in the last part of the 1990s. At the beginning when I first signed up, it was about 5 Mbps download. Just a year ago, it was peaking at only 50 to 60 Mbps download. Always getting faster.

Comcast is fearing Google Gigabit network technology.

P.S. back in the mid-1970s, I was a systems programmer doing network comms work with the ARPAnet at a research lab at Ames Research Center (Mountain View, CA). This was before they renamed it DARPANet and very early in the pre-TCP/IP protocol days. Even then, even with the slow speeds, I wished that I had that service at home where dialup was still king.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled
individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own
you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have
a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control
centers.

> On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of
> control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to
> resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses -
> FOREVER. Remember:
> No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in
> session. -- Mark Twain (1866)
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
> Morse code!!
> *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
> dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

Guys,

Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems!

You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are
> controlled
> individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and
> then own
> you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to
> have
> a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional
> control
> centers.
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your
> out of
> > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a
> way to
> > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses -
> > FOREVER. Remember:
> > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is
> in
> > session. -- Mark Twain (1866)
> > Ken - ke4rg
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Cliff
> > Frescura
> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
> in
> > Morse code!!
> > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
> > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the
> entire
> > internet<snip>
> >
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time.
Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts.

------ Original Message ------
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!

>Guys,
>
>Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
>products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems!
>
>You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S.
>
>73
>
>Colin, G3PSM
>
>
>
>On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves
>>are
>> controlled
>> individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and
>> then own
>> you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice
>>to
>> have
>> a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional
>> control
>> centers.
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott
>><[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of
>>your
>> out of
>> > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find
>>a
>> way to
>> > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone
>>loses -
>> > FOREVER. Remember:
>> > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature
>>is
>> in
>> > session. -- Mark Twain (1866)
>> > Ken - ke4rg
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
>>Of
>> Cliff
>> > Frescura
>> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net
>>Neutrality:
>> in
>> > Morse code!!
>> > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took
>>a
>> > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the
>> entire
>> > internet<snip>
>> >
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Jim Bolit

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

In reply to this post by W1KSZ

Sounds like socialism.

Sweden, home of Ericsson, had the worse cell service in the 90's. Their CEO
stated they make more profits outside of Sweden. Those areas got the latest
technology.

What motivates the providers to lay new cable, design new technology? We
are all now going to get the old technology, equally.

Socialism did not work in the Soviet Union or Cuba, but let's keep trying
here in the U.S. Our government knows better, huh?

Jim
W6AIM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Richard Solomon
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:52 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!

Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and
streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the B&W
days.

If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> Tony,
> All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well
> as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service.
> Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers.
> It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their
> customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy
> world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able
> to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the
> one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV
>> <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner"
>>> it....
>>> ==========
>> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company,
>> Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up
>> to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only
>> beneficiary of this ruling.
>> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm
>> not a regulator.
>>
>> Tony KT0NY
>>
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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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Our government isn't smaller, but rather larger.

And it isn't Comcast or BIG Business, it is shareholders. In return, one of
the things they do it to employ people.

Would you prefer they fire their R&D department, and pass the savings on to
the end user?

In the U.S. our government does not take over business and make them
companies of the state, they slowly regulate them, turning the screw ever
tighter. Almost sounds like a *full employment* model. Hire more to keep
track of the many useless regulations that are passed by our
representatives.

ANYTIME the government gets involved in business, it distorts the market
place.

Would you invest your 401K in the Department of Motor Vehicles, or the
private sector, like Comcast?

Jim
W6AIM

-----Original Message-----
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Brown
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:28 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!

I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone
understands FCC Rules, you do.

I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our
internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their
Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and
kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills
that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is
for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone
sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent
for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't
a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation!

Now, those who demand "small government" have made the FCC toothless,
without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise
from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham
stations, and even to tune in AM radio.

73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the
> professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not
> insisting on that but creating this "information service" category
> rather than putting them in the "telecommunications service" category
> from the beginning.
>
> As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make
> sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the "broadband"
> infrastructure providers get a taste of that.

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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't
choose the daily archive mode.

Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in
daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today.

Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list
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here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else.
Warren -- KD4Z

On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote:
AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time.
Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts.

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Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
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in Morse code!!

Guys,

Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems!

You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S.

73

Colin, G3PSM

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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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Watch...............your ever increasing speed just hit a wall.

Your example is in support of the government staying out of private
business, yet that is not what you want.

Jim
W6AIM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil
Hystad
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:09 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!

I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be
carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting
roads around here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no
good for everyone else who shares the limited lane space.

As for 100 MB downloads in my lifetime comment. I just did a speed test
(speedtest.net) and my results are:

124.39 Mbps download

12.35 Mbps upload

My service is Comcast cable Internet, cost about $55 per month. I am a
charter subscriber as I signed up for the service when it was first offered
in our neighborhood back in the last part of the 1990s. At the beginning
when I first signed up, it was about 5 Mbps download. Just a year ago, it
was peaking at only 50 to 60 Mbps download. Always getting faster.

Comcast is fearing Google Gigabit network technology.

P.S. back in the mid-1970s, I was a systems programmer doing network comms
work with the ARPAnet at a research lab at Ames Research Center (Mountain
View, CA). This was before they renamed it DARPANet and very early in the
pre-TCP/IP protocol days. Even then, even with the slow speeds, I wished
that I had that service at home where dialup was still king.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

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Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It!

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't
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> Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in
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>
> Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list
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> here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else.
> Warren -- KD4Z
>
>
> On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote:
> AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time.
> Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts.
>
> ------ Original Message ------
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> in Morse code!!
>
> Guys,
>
> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
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>
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bs usb

Re: [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!!

I only have a DEL key. Will that work?

Youth wants to know

Rick McGaver wrote:

> Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It!
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't
>> choose the daily archive mode.
>>
>> Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in
>> daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today.
>>
>> Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list
>> deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came
>> here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else.
>> Warren -- KD4Z
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote:
>> AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time.
>> Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts.
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Colin Thomas" <[hidden email]>
>> To:
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
>> in Morse code!!
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
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>>
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