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K7TV

[OT} Wireless chargers

Chargers for small electronic devices that use low frequency induction at
close range are common and harmless.

But how about a device that is said to use many transmitters to focus energy
at a rate of 1 Watt onto a device that is 30 ft away?

Harmless??

http://tinyurl.com/oopg7l3

73,

Erik K7TV

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M0AFJ

Re: [OT} Wireless chargers

I can't post on the site but I'd like to ask about the EMC conformance of such a device, another PLT saga coming up.

Best regards, Tim Hague
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Sent on my iPad

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:04, "Erik Basilier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Chargers for small electronic devices that use low frequency induction at
> close range are common and harmless.
>
> But how about a device that is said to use many transmitters to focus energy
> at a rate of 1 Watt onto a device that is 30 ft away?
>
> Harmless??
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/oopg7l3
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Erik K7TV
>
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w5tvw

Re: [OT} Wireless chargers (or transmission of electrical energy by wireless methods.)

Don't forget an ancient experimenter that wanted to transmit energy:
considerable amounts, by wireless!!! He wasn't stupid and was deadly
serious about this quest. Read his history!

His name was Nikola Tesla who spent untold amounts of money trying to do
just this! He wasn't successful except over very short distances and the
efficiency wasn't good.

So don't get your hopes up.

Tesla revolutionized the AC electric generation and transmission system
with Westinghouse bankrolling him and made the polyphase AC system the
cornerstone for all the systems on the "grid" today except for the small
amount solar and wind power contribute at this time. There really isn't a
technology that will outdo steam turbine power generation except perhaps for
nuclear plants which can become runaway hazards as demonstrated by 6 Mile
Island and Chernobyl Russia meltdowns plus the tsunami upset nuclear plants
in Japan! Engineers and ecologists still haven't found a way to safely
store spent nuclear fuel rods without them having the possibility of
becoming toxic and extremely dangerous in the future.

Transmitting megawatts of power versus just a few watts wirelessly are
horses of two completely different colors in spite of what the "dreamers"
say.

73,

Sandy W5TVW
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hague
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:30 PM
To: Erik Basilier
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT} Wireless chargers

I can't post on the site but I'd like to ask about the EMC conformance of
such a device, another PLT saga coming up.

Best regards, Tim Hague
Skype m0afj.Tim
Sent on my iPad

On 11 Sep 2013, at 18:04, "Erik Basilier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Chargers for small electronic devices that use low frequency induction at
> close range are common and harmless.
>
> But how about a device that is said to use many transmitters to focus
> energy
> at a rate of 1 Watt onto a device that is 30 ft away?
>
> Harmless??
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/oopg7l3
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Erik K7TV
>
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Edward R Cole

Re: [OT} Wireless chargers (or transmission of electrical energy by wireless methods.)

Probably unknown or forgotten was the NASA project to beam solar
power from orbit to earth! Yes, that was a real project (because I
worked on it). This was about 1972. Experiments were made using the
experimental station (DSS-13) at Goldstone Tracking Facility in the
Mojave Desert. I am not sure of the power transmitted but guess it
was 20kW at 2115 MHz. The receiving antenna was experimental made up
of a huge array of "rectennas". Half-wave dipoles made with silicon
rectifier diodes with their leads cut to resonate as a dipole. The
distance power was successfully transmitted was something like
30-miles with 30% power transfer.

I was working on the orbiting transmitter portion of the project
which consisted of solar arrays encompassing square miles of area
above earth in a geostationary orbit. Individual solar panels would
power 2.5 GHz magnetrons for transmission of RF power down to earth
to the receiving 'rectenna arrays". We actually modified some
microwave oven magnetrons to proof the concept. So the concept had
thousands of solar panels feeding thousands of magnetrons in some
kind of phased array beaming this huge amount of RF to the surface of
the earth.

It was not cancelled by technical difficulties. I was cancelled due
to environmental issues: airline pilots concerned about flying thru
one these "death rays" and of course the bird people concerned about
killing birds flying thru the beam. I wonder how well it would work
with RFI to the 2.4G wifi services of today?

Sidenote: Testla is the unsung hero/wizard responsible for our AC
power transmission industry. His inventions were literally stolen by
peers of his time. It is a fascinating read into history of electrical power.

73, Ed - KL7UW

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT} Wireless chargers (or transmission of
electrical energy by wireless methods.)

Don't forget an ancient experimenter that wanted to transmit energy:
considerable amounts, by wireless!!! He wasn't stupid and was deadly
serious about this quest. Read his history!

His name was Nikola Tesla who spent untold amounts of money trying to do
just this! He wasn't successful except over very short distances and the
efficiency wasn't good.

So don't get your hopes up.

Tesla revolutionized the AC electric generation and transmission system
with Westinghouse bankrolling him and made the polyphase AC system the
cornerstone for all the systems on the "grid" today except for the small
amount solar and wind power contribute at this time. There really isn't a
technology that will outdo steam turbine power generation except perhaps for
nuclear plants which can become runaway hazards as demonstrated by 6 Mile
Island and Chernobyl Russia meltdowns plus the tsunami upset nuclear plants
in Japan! Engineers and ecologists still haven't found a way to safely
store spent nuclear fuel rods without them having the possibility of
becoming toxic and extremely dangerous in the future.

Transmitting megawatts of power versus just a few watts wirelessly are
horses of two completely different colors in spite of what the "dreamers"
say.

73,
Sandy W5TVW

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
[hidden email]
"Kits made by KL7UW"

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