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Keith N6JPA-2

OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

<https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>

All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.

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Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

Good news! Yahoo Groups is awful!

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Ken - K0PP

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 14:16 Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Ingo Meyer, DK3RED-2

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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Hello Keith,

> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
>
> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.

Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to
exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join."

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
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W2xj

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email.

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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Jim Rhodes-3

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a
factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check
boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP
and never went back to Yahoo. For anything.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:

> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have
> to learn how to use real email.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > <
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link:

https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3

Group Description

For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share
information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that
operate them.

When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so
that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a
spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box
will do fine.

Group Information

* 3,156 Members
* 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15
* Started on05/04/07

Group Settings

* All subscribers can post to the group.
* Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators.
* Posts from new users require approval from the moderators.
* Messages are set to reply to group.
* Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators.
* Archives are visible to anyone.
* Wiki is visible to subscribers only.
* Members can edit their messages.
* Members can set their subscriptions to no email.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:

> <https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwe9p/yahoo-groups-is-winding-down-and-all-content-will-be-permanently-removed>
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ANDY DURBIN

OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"

Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.

I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.

Andy, k3wyc
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W2xj

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gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>
> Andy, k3wyc
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers
learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a
searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest
without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.

Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The
web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled
text only e-mail system.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>
> Andy, k3wyc

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ANDY DURBIN

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I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?

Andy, k3wyc

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gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>
> Andy, k3wyc

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thos

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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Sorry, I'm just dropping in on the thread. So Yahoo isn't doing well.
No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went
down hill. They too could be replaced and the world would be better off.

I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the
way real list servers should be. I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has
nothing to with this list. No need to reply unless the news is bad :-)

-- Tom W7EZT

On 10/16/19 1:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:

David Gilbert

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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K3WYC,

What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward
other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft
... is going to sway anything in your favor???

Dave AB7E

On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

> I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
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>
> gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use real email"
>>
>> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
>>
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>>
>> Andy, k3wyc
>

Rose

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

Well said, Dave ...

73

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 18:23 David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> K3WYC,
>
> What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward
> other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft
> ... is going to sway anything in your favor???
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> > I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on
> your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: W2xj <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
> > To: Andy Durbin <[hidden email]>
> > Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> >
> > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became
> conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to
> learn how to use real email"
> >>
> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers
> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a
> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest
> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> >>
> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only
> way.
> >>
> >> Andy, k3wyc
> >
>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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On 10/16/2019 5:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
> with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all". The
> web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
> of security and privacy issues that do not exist in a well controlled
> text only e-mail system.

YES.

I strongly prefer text-based systems for email reflectors.

73, Jim K9YC
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Nate Bargmann

Re: OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

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* On 2019 16 Oct 18:20 -0500, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the
> only way.

This list is not hosted via Yahoo!

This block that is appended to every message clearly shows it is hosted
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No need to panic here. Nothing going on with Yahoo! will affect this
list as near as I can tell.

73, Nate, N0NB

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"K3WYC,

What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward
other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft
... is going to sway anything in your favor???

Dave AB7E

On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I don't understand your reply. What exactly is it that you can do on your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
>
> Andy, k3wyc
>
"

What did you find snide or disparaging in the message that you have quoted? I did not suggest a need to enhance computer skills nor did I suggest any user here, or any user of Yahoo groups, was a Luddite.

Could it be that you are replying to the wrong message?

Andy, k3wyc
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this is very true but those who lack basic computer skills were wanting to move this group from a very adequate mailman server to some crippled web based group.

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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> * On 2019 16 Oct 18:20 -0500, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
>> board. That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the
>> only way.
>
> This list is not hosted via Yahoo!
>
> This block that is appended to every message clearly shows it is hosted
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> No need to panic here. Nothing going on with Yahoo! will affect this
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>
> 73, Nate, N0NB
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Agreed.

Yes, the official Elecraft list that we are talking on now is not hosted on Yahoo, it is hosted for us by QTH.net.

Lets close this OT thread at this time in the interest of keeping discussion civil and reducing OT overload for our readers.

73,
Eric
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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This is getting into negative remarks about other people. Let’s keep it positive.
>
> I’ve managed mailing lists and different kinds of forums for about 35 years. The best system is the one that all the interested people can use to read and contribute.
>
> This list is not on Yahoo!, so the whole discussion is pretty far off topic for this list.
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