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Terry Schieler-2

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

Eric,

Thanks for ending this thread. I had donned my flame resistant suit the
moment I hit the "send" button after writing my idea. I assumed that one or
two of our fellow amateurs would fire a shot at someone who replied to my
thread without having even thoroughly read and understood it. I will
correspond with VK2RQ off line.

73,

Terry, W0FM

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

Looks like its time to end this thread in the interest of improving list
SNR.

Thread closed.

73,

Eric
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Mike Schultz KS0T

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

In reply to this post by Terry Schieler-2

That sounds like a way to implement it, Terry. I sure miss the band edge
beep on my Icom pro III. I'd love to see one added to the K3.

73, Mike KS0T

My needs are much simpler than those involving international frequency
tables, license classes, memory locations, etc. I haven't thought this
through thoroughly so I don't know all the ramifications. I'll leave that
all to someone smarter than me.

I know that I am quite embarrassed to be told that I have just transmitted
outside the legal US band (usually involves DX pounces) and would like to be
reminded if my inattention causes me to do that. I see *self enforcement*
here.

I could envision a "Band Marker" that could be set by the K3 user
personally. Tune the VFO to the band (or sub band) edge you'd like to be
notified of. Say 14.000. In the menu you find "Band Marker". Select that
option and the software creates a tone (beep if you will) on 14.000. If you
wanted to be alerted that you are passing the high end of the 20M band,
simply set your VFO to 14.350, and, in the menu, select "Band Marker". BEEP
created. Same process to mark the CW, RTTY, etc sub-band if that's your
desire.

The K3 owner could be free to opt for doing this or not, as well as for
which bands, license privileges or mode sub-bands he wished. Nothing
forced. All on the operator (and sw guys like Lyle, of course). No
software tables, band lists per country or license classes involved. Nothing
to force a transmitter shut down. It would simply be an *operator assigned*
aid for the *convenience* of the individual operator.

Of course, this would not help direct frequency entry band errors, instant
spots, etc. Just thinking through my keyboard. ;o)

Thoughts? Someone will probably tell me that this already exists in the K3.
;o)

Terry, W0FM
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N5GE

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

In reply to this post by Ken Schillinger

I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my
head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to
refresh my memory.

Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class.
You'll be glad you did.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
Licensed since 1976
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0700, "Ken Schillinger"
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>As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different
>countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't
>remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and
>license class, and have only those frequencies available...
>
>Ken/ke7hge
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gm3sek

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

In reply to this post by Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

>> How about sticking one of these up on your wall:
>> http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations
>>
>> It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and
before you
>know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature.
>

But human beings WILL make mistakes, especially in contests or at
special-event stations where there are too many other things happening
and people are tired; and so they lose concentration.

And regardless of how perfect you yourself may be, if you are trustee of
a multi-op or club station you are also responsible for other people's
mistakes on the air. Personally and <legally> responsible.

So we all agree that band edge transgressions are important; they are
simple to avoid but they also need continual watchfulness. Well, isn't
that EXACTLY the kind of monitoring task that computers do best?

Regrettably, this is yet another area where the K3 remains unfinished
compared with the competition. Other manufacturers have seen the risks
of human error and done something to help avoid it; but the K3 will let
you fail.

73 from Ian GM3SEK

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g8kbvdave

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

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> From: Matt VK2RQ <[hidden email]>
>
> How about sticking one of these up on your wall:
> http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations
>
> It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and before you
> know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature.
>
> 73,
> Matt VK2RQ

Note! That is a US only chart. This is a world wide email list...

However, similar charts/tables are likely to be found from other national societies
or regulating government offices in other countries etc. Also, in your licence or
permit documents I suspect!

But the same holds true. In a short time, we all learn where we can play, and
where not to.

As to disabled op's, contest mode reminders etc:-

It's not imposible these days with Arduino's, Atmels, PIC's and other digital
playthings, to put something simple together, that will take the data stream from
the radio (or poll it) to determine what operating frequency is in force, and make
noises, flash lights, vibrate chairs or make dogs bark etc, as needed.

That can be done with just about any modern rig, not just Elecraft products.
Read the manuals, hook up a PC with a dumb terminal emulator, and play.
You'll find it easier than you imagine!

If you want to get "Realy" smart.. You need to take into account not just the
VFO frequency, but also the mode and TX bandwidth settings. Especially on
60m!... Then, it can get a little more, but not too complicated. ;)

The tools exist, the hobby allows us to experiment and learn, so let's do so.

73.

Dave G0WBX.

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Reginald J Mackey SR-3

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

In reply to this post by N5GE

If I remember correctly back in the 50's when I was licensed, knowing your frequency allocations was necessary to be a ham! Is that no more?

Reggie K6xr
Ham Radio Since 1955
DXCC, RCC, WAZ
QRP IS KING

On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Tom H Childers <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my
> head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to
> refresh my memory.
>
> Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class.
> You'll be glad you did.
>
> 73,
> Tom
> Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
> Licensed since 1976
> ARRL Lifetime Member
> QCWA Lifetime Member
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0700, "Ken Schillinger"
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different
>> countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't
>> remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and
>> license class, and have only those frequencies available...
>>
>> Ken/ke7hge
>>
>>
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Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

It still is required and I think the thread started with a person who lacks sight, knows the limits and wants badly to comply in spite of his limitation needs to know his transmit frequency even though he lacks the convenience of looking at the LED readout that most of us enjoy.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

If I remember correctly back in the 50's when I was licensed, knowing your frequency allocations was necessary to be a ham! Is that no more?

Reggie K6xr
Ham Radio Since 1955
DXCC, RCC, WAZ
QRP IS KING

On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Tom H Childers <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Matt Zilmer

Re: K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

In reply to this post by Reginald J Mackey SR-3

It's still a requirement. The discussion is over having a marker to
remind the op. Like a real-time memory aid.

Many of us MARS ops have to do this by memory or look up, because MARS
freqs are all over HF.

73,
matt W6NIA, NNN0UET SCA

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 04:41:02 -0700, you wrote:

>If I remember correctly back in the 50's when I was licensed, knowing your frequency allocations was necessary to be a ham! Is that no more?
>
>
>Reggie K6xr
>Ham Radio Since 1955
>DXCC, RCC, WAZ
>QRP IS KING
>
>On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Tom H Childers <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my
>> head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to
>> refresh my memory.
>>
>> Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class.
>> You'll be glad you did.
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom

Ken Schillinger

K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)

In reply to this post by N5GE

"Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class.
You'll be glad you did.

73,
Tom"

Thanks Tom,

You'd think that after looking at the chart nearly daily for the last five
or so years that I'd remember wouldn't ya? ;-) Same thing with music; play a
song thirty times, close the book and it's gone.

73
Ken
Back to the band chart...

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