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I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT
frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. 73 de David G4DMP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I did not notice it before but I get the same thing - P3 is twice the deviation in frequency as the K3.
Bob W6VY I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. 73 de David G4DMP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by David Pratt
Are you sure? Just checked mine (FW ver 1.09) and the RIT and XIT calibrations are correct ... move RIT or XIT 2.00 KHz and the (red) cursor is 2 KHz away from the green cursor. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/31/2011 1:50 PM, David Pratt wrote: > I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT > frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT > deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest > firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I > have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? > > Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Now I feel really stupid. I was definitely seeing the problem that David
was but now I can't duplicate it. Time for a glass of red. 73, Stephen, G4SJP On 31 October 2011 20:17, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Are you sure? Just checked mine (FW ver 1.09) and the RIT and XIT > calibrations are correct ... move RIT or XIT 2.00 KHz and the (red) > cursor is 2 KHz away from the green cursor. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/31/2011 1:50 PM, David Pratt wrote: > > I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT > > frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT > > deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest > > firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I > > have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? > > > > Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. > > > > 73 de David G4DMP > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
Yes, quite sure, Joe, and I have had off list replies from others who
are finding the same anomaly. David In a recent message, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> writes > > >Are you sure? Just checked mine (FW ver 1.09) and the RIT and XIT >calibrations are correct ... move RIT or XIT 2.00 KHz and the (red) >cursor is 2 KHz away from the green cursor. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >On 10/31/2011 1:50 PM, David Pratt wrote: >> I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT >> frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT >> deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest >> firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I >> have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? >> >> Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Not here!
With the P3 set to 10 khz span and the main cursor on 4 when I tune either the RIT or XIT 1 khz the cursor is on 3 or 5 exactly. Rick K6LE On 10/31/2011, at 10:50 , David Pratt wrote: > I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT > frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT > deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest > firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I > have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? > > Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by David Pratt
What version of the firmware? It is quite repeatedly correct here. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/31/2011 4:58 PM, David Pratt wrote: > Yes, quite sure, Joe, and I have had off list replies from others who > are finding the same anomaly. > > David > > In a recent message, "Joe Subich, W4TV"<[hidden email]> writes >> >> >> Are you sure? Just checked mine (FW ver 1.09) and the RIT and XIT >> calibrations are correct ... move RIT or XIT 2.00 KHz and the (red) >> cursor is 2 KHz away from the green cursor. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 10/31/2011 1:50 PM, David Pratt wrote: >>> I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT >>> frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT >>> deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest >>> firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I >>> have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? >>> >>> Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. >>> >>> 73 de David G4DMP Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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What about the freq display? The red cursor is correct but the actual
numeric freq display is double the delta. Joe K2UF No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons were inconvenienced. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Prather Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:36 PM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Know bug? Not here! With the P3 set to 10 khz span and the main cursor on 4 when I tune either the RIT or XIT 1 khz the cursor is on 3 or 5 exactly. Rick K6LE On 10/31/2011, at 10:50 , David Pratt wrote: > I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT > frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT > deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest > firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I > have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? > > Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Rick Prather-2
OK, I think I may see the reason for conflicting results.
If, for example, I set my main VFO to 24.901 the P3 will also read 24.901. Then if I turn on the XIT and turn it 1 khz to 24.902 the B cursor will be on the 1 khz line above the center and the P3 will read 24.902. All good so far. If I then turn off the XIT the transmit cursor will turn off and the XIT light goes out but the display still says 24.902 until I hit the CLR button. Maybe this doesn't explain the OP's question but it could lead to someone being confused. K6LE Rick On 10/31/2011, at 2:35 , Rick Prather wrote: > Not here! > > With the P3 set to 10 khz span and the main cursor on 4 when I tune either the RIT or XIT 1 khz the cursor is on 3 or 5 exactly. > > Rick > K6LE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Joe K2UF
No, the P3 read cursor is on the 1 khz mark and the display reads 1 khz up. As it should.
Mine is FW 1.09 Rick K6LE On 10/31/2011, at 2:44 , Joe K2UF wrote: > What about the freq display? The red cursor is correct but the actual > numeric freq display is double the delta. > > Joe K2UF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Yes - in tracking mode. In fixed mode the frequencies are the same. And if you switch between fixed and tracking mode with the RIT on you can get really confused if you look at the P3 frequency.
Bob W6VY Are you sure? Just checked mine (FW ver 1.09) and the RIT and XIT calibrations are correct ... move RIT or XIT 2.00 KHz and the (red) cursor is 2 KHz away from the green cursor. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Same 'feature' here. Also If I turn the RIT off the P3 display changes to
show the frequency that the K3 showed when the RIT was on and not the frequency that the K3 reverts to when the RIT is turned off. Pressing CLR on the K3 corrects the P3 display. Turning the P3 off and on again doesn't correct its display but turning the K3 off and on again does. Does this suggest that it's a K3 f/w issue? 73 to all Geoff G3UCK -----Original Message----- From: David Pratt Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:50 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Know bug? I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. 73 de David G4DMP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
P3: 1.09
K3: 4.42 In a recent message, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> writes > > >What version of the firmware? It is quite repeatedly correct here. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >On 10/31/2011 4:58 PM, David Pratt wrote: >> Yes, quite sure, Joe, and I have had off list replies from others who >> are finding the same anomaly. >> >> David >> >> In a recent message, "Joe Subich, W4TV"<[hidden email]> writes >>> >>> >>> Are you sure? Just checked mine (FW ver 1.09) and the RIT and XIT >>> calibrations are correct ... move RIT or XIT 2.00 KHz and the (red) >>> cursor is 2 KHz away from the green cursor. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 10/31/2011 1:50 PM, David Pratt wrote: >>>> I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT >>>> frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT >>>> deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest >>>> firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I >>>> have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? >>>> >>>> Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. >>>> >>>> 73 de David G4DMP > > -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Joe K2UF
> What about the freq display? Correct here in both tracking and fixed tune mode. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/31/2011 5:44 PM, Joe K2UF wrote: > What about the freq display? The red cursor is correct but the actual > numeric freq display is double the delta. > > Joe K2UF > > No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons > were inconvenienced. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rick Prather > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:36 PM > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Know bug? > > Not here! > > With the P3 set to 10 khz span and the main cursor on 4 when I tune either > the RIT or XIT 1 khz the cursor is on 3 or 5 exactly. > > Rick > K6LE > > On 10/31/2011, at 10:50 , David Pratt wrote: > >> I am getting a 'feature' with my P3 when using RIT. I find that the RIT >> frequency deviation displayed on the P3 is twice that of the RIT >> deviation displayed on the K3. As far as I am aware I have the latest >> firmware installed on both my K3 and my P3. Is this a know bug or do I >> have a fault in my K3/P3 installation? >> >> Sorry if I have missed it if it has been discussed on here before. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have just discovered something else. With RIT/XIT turned off, turning the RIT/XIT knob changes the frequency of the K3 and the displays on both K3 and P3. The rate is 0.1 kHz as if in "COARSE" tuning mode. I see no mention of this "feature" in the K3 manual. I thought having the P3 connected to the K3 might cause some interaction so disconnected it -- same behavior on the K3. Maybe it has something to do with the date today. The goblins are doing it to us. Gene K6TTM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Gene,
You may have discovered the "key" - I suspect you have CONFIG: VFO OFS set to "Yes" - that allows the RIT/XIT knob to tune in coarse increments when RIT and XIT are off. It has nothing to do with ghosts and goblins, just your menu settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/31/2011 6:52 PM, Gene Langendorff wrote: > I have just discovered something else. With RIT/XIT turned off, turning the > RIT/XIT knob changes the frequency of the K3 and the displays on both K3 and > P3. The rate is 0.1 kHz as if in "COARSE" tuning mode. I see no mention of > this "feature" in the K3 manual. > > I thought having the P3 connected to the K3 might cause some interaction so > disconnected it -- same behavior on the K3. > > Maybe it has something to do with the date today. The goblins are doing it > to us. > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Thank you Mike (off-line) and Don. Another new thing learned about this
radio. Love it! Gene K6TTM -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Know bug? Gene, You may have discovered the "key" - I suspect you have CONFIG: VFO OFS set to "Yes" - that allows the RIT/XIT knob to tune in coarse increments when RIT and XIT are off. It has nothing to do with ghosts and goblins, just your menu settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/31/2011 6:52 PM, Gene Langendorff wrote: > I have just discovered something else. With RIT/XIT turned off, turning the > RIT/XIT knob changes the frequency of the K3 and the displays on both K3 and > P3. The rate is 0.1 kHz as if in "COARSE" tuning mode. I see no mention of > this "feature" in the K3 manual. > > I thought having the P3 connected to the K3 might cause some interaction so > disconnected it -- same behavior on the K3. > > Maybe it has something to do with the date today. The goblins are doing it > to us. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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There are a lot of configuration menu settings that will change the
behavior of the K3 - that is one thing I love about this radio. I would suggest a through study of the manual - starting with the chart of menu settings. if you do not understand what a particular menu entry will do, then study the relevant descriptive section of the manual until you understand what is going to happen if a particular menu setting is on or off (or something in between). You can experiment a bit, but do it with a bit of understanding - in other words, study the relevant descriptive section of the manual. Once you know what the menu settings will do for you, your operating experience with the K3 (or any other radio) will be enhanced tenfold - because you will then know how to customize it to your personal preferences. Study the manual - YES - but I suggest starting with the menu entries (after you have gotten through the initial setup items), and your knowledge of the radio will be greatly enhanced. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/31/2011 7:48 PM, Gene Langendorff wrote: > Thank you Mike (off-line) and Don. Another new thing learned about this > radio. Love it! > > Gene K6TTM > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4
As Don says if CONFIG:VFO OFS is set to OFF it does of course stop the
RIT/XIT knob changing the K3 frequency when RIT/XIT is off but it has no effect on the "feature" originally reported: ie the P3 frequency readout changes at twice the rate of the K3 when RIT is on. XIT is slightly different - the P3 shows the right tx frequency but does not revert to the K3 frequency when XIT is turned off. I still think it could be a K3 f/w issue. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:30 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Know bug? Gene, You may have discovered the "key" - I suspect you have CONFIG: VFO OFS set to "Yes" - that allows the RIT/XIT knob to tune in coarse increments when RIT and XIT are off. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4
K3 4.39 CONFIG: VFO OFS = yes
P3 1.09 span +/- 4 kHz (1) VFO A = 3550.0, RIT off: --> green P3 cursor centered, P3 reads 3550.00 (2) turn RIT on and set it to +1 kHz: --> K3 VFO A now reads 3551.0 --> red P3 cursor is 1 kHz left from display center --> P3 reads 3552.00 (3) tap CLR: --> same as (1) above 73, Markus HB9BRJ |
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