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P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Mike VE3YF
I am thinking of getting a 2nd DCHF Coupler for my P3 TX Monitor Setup. This way I could Monitor 2 Outputs from the same P3. Currently I have a coupler right after my main linear via Ant 1 on the K3, but want to add a second coupler to the output of the KPA500 via Ant 2 on the K3. I then could switch between the outputs and use the same P3. I realize I can only use 1 coupler at a time, but changing cables etc out all the time would be a pain. Does anyone know of a switch that could handle this job. I have done a search on the internet and eBay and found nothing that would mate up to a RJ8 Connector which the TX Monitor and Couplers use. If any one is doing what I am contemplating I would like to hear from you. Tnx.

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Re: P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Alan Bloom
 > I am thinking of getting a 2nd DCHF Coupler for my P3 TX Monitor
 > Setup. This way I could Monitor 2 Outputs from the same P3. ...
 > Does anyone know of a switch that could handle this job.

Here's the one I use.  It allows switching up to four 8P8C (RJ-45)
connectors.  $10 from Amazon:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AUB3SSA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Re: P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Mike VE3YF
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Hi Alan:

Tnx for the info, good to see someone else has done it. Question though, does the Coupler cable use RJ45 connectors, reason I ask I see on the Elecraft site it says RJ8, and I am not finding too much info on the Internet ref RJ8 Connectors. Perhaps I am reading too much into it.



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Re: P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Clay Autery
FYI, an RJ-8 modular plug will plug right in to an RJ-45 modular
jack....  The retention key on the connector centers it in the RJ-45
jack so that the 4 center conductors are lined up.

The key to making this work is to verify:

1) How are the jacks wired on the switch:  568A or 568B.
2) Match up the wiring in and out on the two P3 TxMon couplers' twisted
pair jumpers and the patch cable you buy/make/modify to be the common
jumper back from the switch to the P3 rear panel.  Eesentially, you're
making sure Elecraft used straight through wiring and not some sort of
crossover arrangement or other between the P3 and the couplers.

DON'T plug it all up UNLESS and UNTIL you map the conductors to make
SURE they have continuity and continuity in accordance with the wire
conductor order used on the P3 and the coupler.

PROBABLY, Elecraft used straight through wiring, so it is just a matter
of making the additional straight through patch cord to go from the P3
to the switch in/out.

IF you want to get fancy and have the tools/skillset, make all new
cables...  Use RJ-8 on the P3 and couple ends and use RJ-45 on the ends
that will plug into the switch.

Holler if this has completely confused you and I will amplify/clarify.

73,

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On 6/18/2016 4:36 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Hi Alan:
>
> Tnx for the info, good to see someone else has done it. Question though, does the Coupler cable use RJ45 connectors, reason I ask I see on the Elecraft site it says RJ8, and I am not finding too much info on the Internet ref RJ8 Connectors. Perhaps I am reading too much into it.
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF
>
> http://www.ve3yf.com
> [http://www.ve3yf.com/]
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Re: P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Clay Autery
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Followup:

Looking in the manual, the picture of the TXMON board clearly shows that
the modular jack has 8 conductors.  I'm almost certain that is an RJ-45
8P8C jack...
But from what I can see, they are using AT LEAST conductors 2,4,6, and
8... (the solid wires for both 568A and 568B). You can see traces coming
back from those 4 conductors to some SMT components on the board
indicating the conductors are in use.  Cannot tell if the other four
connect at the board for sure.

So... either they are 1) using all 8 wires, 2) Using 4 wires and
grounding the paired wires to reduce crosstalk or RFI, or 3) they are
using 4 wires for signals and leaving the other four completely open,
thus surrendering the value of twisted pair.

High probability that Elecraft used straight through wiring but verify
anyway...


Bottom Line...  LOOK at your coupler cable.... count the conductors...
If there are 8, then good.  Take the two ends and hold them side by side
with gold conductors facing you.  IF the conductor color code from left
to right match between the two cable ends, it is straight through wiring
on the patch/jumper cable.  Pretty conclusive that all you need to do is
use quality CAT5e or better patch cables... chore over.

But at least go through the verification process.

The more I think about it, no to, the more I am beginning to believe the
"RJ8" think in the manual is a typo ripe for inclusion on an Errata
sheet.  :-)

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On 6/18/2016 4:36 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:

> Hi Alan:
>
> Tnx for the info, good to see someone else has done it. Question though, does the Coupler cable use RJ45 connectors, reason I ask I see on the Elecraft site it says RJ8, and I am not finding too much info on the Internet ref RJ8 Connectors. Perhaps I am reading too much into it.
>
>
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF
>
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Re: P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Clay Autery
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To make sure I have truly beat this horse to death...

Go here: *http://www.elecraft.com/manual/P3%20Xmit%20Mon%20FAQ-ver-A-7.pdf
*

This is a Tx Mon FAQ...
Page 6, 3c.  "These 2 items will be connected with CAT5/CAT6 cable
plugging into RJ45 jacks."

"RJ8" in the Tx Mon Installation Manual is a "typo".

73,

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On 6/18/2016 4:36 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Hi Alan:
>
> Tnx for the info, good to see someone else has done it. Question though, does the Coupler cable use RJ45 connectors, reason I ask I see on the Elecraft site it says RJ8, and I am not finding too much info on the Internet ref RJ8 Connectors. Perhaps I am reading too much into it.
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF

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Re: P3/TX Mon Coupler Switching Idea

Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
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One of the guys at Elecraft (Mike?) did this with a cheap switch box available off Amazon. I took that box and added some video analog switches and a band decoder to do it automagically and basis power level. Its a simple matter to do. Just get creative.


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> On Jun 17, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Mike VE3YF <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a 2nd DCHF Coupler for my P3 TX Monitor Setup. This way I could Monitor 2 Outputs from the same P3. Currently I have a coupler right after my main linear via Ant 1 on the K3, but want to add a second coupler to the output of the KPA500 via Ant 2 on the K3. I then could switch between the outputs and use the same P3. I realize I can only use 1 coupler at a time, but changing cables etc out all the time would be a pain. Does anyone know of a switch that could handle this job. I have done a search on the internet and eBay and found nothing that would mate up to a RJ8 Connector which the TX Monitor and Couplers use. If any one is doing what I am contemplating I would like to hear from you. Tnx.
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF
>
> http://www.ve3yf.com
> [http://www.ve3yf.com/]
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