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Jean-François Ménard
I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.

FYI, if interested….

Qty Elecraft pn.          Description
(1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44
(4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total
(4) E700003             #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total
(2) E700060             4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total

The final total is $43.96 + Shipping


I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉

Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS


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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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I'm thinking an electrical switch (relay, Quad bilateral switch etc)
Then using DIGOUT1 to to toggle the switch between the sensors


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I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.

FYI, if interested….

Qty Elecraft pn.          Description
(1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44
(4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total
(4) E700003            #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total
(2) E700060            4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total

The final total is $43.96 + Shipping


I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉

Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS


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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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DIGIOUT1?? Could you give me a hint?? Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉

I will receive my K-Pod soon. Could the external aux could be used to switch the relay or something similar??

 
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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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Why do you need two sensors?

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> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking an electrical switch (relay, Quad bilateral switch etc)
> Then using DIGOUT1 to to toggle the switch between the sensors
>
>
>      From: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:28 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?
>
> I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.
>
> FYI, if interested….
>
> Qty Elecraft pn.          Description
> (1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44
> (4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total
> (4) E700003            #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total
> (2) E700060            4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total
>
> The final total is $43.96 + Shipping
>
>
> I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉
>
> Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS
>
>
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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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Antenna 1 and/or Antenna 2.... on the K3S.  Like the W2.... 2 ports.  

73 de Jeff | VA2SS

 
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> Le 12 janv. 2017 à 21:31, Nr4c <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> Why do you need two sensors?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking an electrical switch (relay, Quad bilateral switch etc)
>> Then using DIGOUT1 to to toggle the switch between the sensors
>>
>>
>>     From: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>
>> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:28 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?
>>
>> I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.
>>
>> FYI, if interested….
>>
>> Qty Elecraft pn.          Description
>> (1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44
>> (4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total
>> (4) E700003            #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total
>> (2) E700060            4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total
>>
>> The final total is $43.96 + Shipping
>>
>>
>> I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉
>>
>> Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________
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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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HF, VHF/UHF

      From: Nr4c <[hidden email]>
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Cc: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>; Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:31 PM
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Why do you need two sensors?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking an electrical switch (relay, Quad bilateral switch etc)
> Then using DIGOUT1 to to toggle the switch between the sensors
>
>
>      From: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:28 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?
>
> I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.
>
> FYI, if interested….
>
> Qty Elecraft pn.          Description
> (1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44
> (4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total
> (4) E700003            #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total
> (2) E700060            4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total
>
> The final total is $43.96 + Shipping
>
>
> I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉
>
> Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS
>
>
> __________________________________________
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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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so for you the Per band PER ANTENNA part of DIGOUT1 may come in useful



      From: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:33 PM
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Antenna 1 and/or Antenna 2.... on the K3S.  Like the W2.... 2 ports.  
73 de Jeff | VA2SS 

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Le 12 janv. 2017 à 21:31, Nr4c <[hidden email]> a écrit :


Why do you need two sensors?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:





I'm thinking an electrical switch (relay, Quad bilateral switch etc)


Then using DIGOUT1 to to toggle the switch between the sensors








     From: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>


To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>


Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:28 PM


Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?





I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.





FYI, if interested….





Qty Elecraft pn.          Description


(1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44


(4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total


(4) E700003            #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total


(2) E700060            4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total





The final total is $43.96 + Shipping








I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉





Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS








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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

Vic Rosenthal
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I recall that there was a minor modification that was needed to use a W2 sensor with the P3. I'm not sure if it still is; maybe it has been incorporated in new sensors.

Vic 4X6GP

> On 13 Jan 2017, at 04:33, Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Antenna 1 and/or Antenna 2.... on the K3S.  Like the W2.... 2 ports.  
>
> 73 de Jeff | VA2SS
>
>
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>> Le 12 janv. 2017 à 21:31, Nr4c <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Why do you need two sensors?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm thinking an electrical switch (relay, Quad bilateral switch etc)
>>> Then using DIGOUT1 to to toggle the switch between the sensors
>>>
>>>
>>>    From: Jean-François Ménard <[hidden email]>
>>> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:28 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?
>>>
>>> I just wondering the same thing here…. I ordered today only the hardware needed for the P3…. I already have 2 couplers that I am using with my W2.
>>>
>>> FYI, if interested….
>>>
>>> Qty Elecraft pn.          Description
>>> (1) E850387              TX Mon PCB $41.44
>>> (4) E700005              4-40x1/4 inch pan head screws $0.15 each, $0.60 total
>>> (4) E700003            #4 lock washers $0.15 each, $0.60 total
>>> (2) E700060            4-40x5/8 inch hex standoffs $0.66 each, $1.32 total
>>>
>>> The final total is $43.96 + Shipping
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope there will be a way to do something…. Hi Hiiiiiiiiii ‼️🎉
>>>
>>> Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS
>>>
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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

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Hi, thanks for the information. I just sent an email to Elecraft support to let me know if I should check something prior the utilization of the couplers I already have.

I really like to manual switch idea…. But I still wondering fi I could use the AUX behind the K-Pod to manually switch between the 2 couplers already have, by creating a small circuit using a relay. It could be a good way to maximise the use of the K-Pod too?!?!

Also, the information given by the P3 compared with the W2….. major difference ??? more accurate ??? What are the major goals to use antenna couplers with P3 instead of a W2 ???

Thanks for the information.

73 de Jeff | VA2SS

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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

Alan Bloom
Yes, you could use an 8-pole double-throw relay to switch between the
two sensors.

The P3 and W2 use the same information from the sensors and the same
control lines.

Alan N1AL


On 01/13/2017 04:59 AM, Jean-François Ménard wrote:

> Hi, thanks for the information. I just sent an email to Elecraft
> support to let me know if I should check something prior the
> utilization of the couplers I already have.
>
> I really like to manual switch idea…. But I still wondering fi I
> could use the AUX behind the K-Pod to manually switch between the 2
> couplers already have, by creating a small circuit using a relay. It
> could be a good way to maximise the use of the K-Pod too?!?!
>
> Also, the information given by the P3 compared with the W2….. major
> difference ??? more accurate ??? What are the major goals to use
> antenna couplers with P3 instead of a W2 ???
>
> Thanks for the information.
>
> 73 de Jeff | VA2SS
>
> __________________________________________ Jeff | VA2SS Jean-François
> Ménard
>
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Re: P3 TX Monitor with Two Sensors?

Jean-François Ménard
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Hi everybody,

Thanks to Vic 4X6GP for the tips.

I asked earlier today to Elecraft support to have an update on if we would like to use already own antenna coupler for those who already own an Elecraft W2.

There is the information I received from Elecraft support :

[ELECRAFT] If the W2 has been bought later half of 2016, it should be OK.  If it is older than that, he will need to either get new couplers or Remove and Replace several surface mount components.

And the modification to use older antenna couplers version consist of the following modifications:

[ELECRAFT] You'll need to change C5 ,C6 and C7 to the updated value 470 pF

I will need to modify both couplers that I have. The 8 pole relay is an excellent idea. And to change from coupler 1 to coupler 2, I am planning to use the AUX from the K-Pod.


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