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Sean Logghe

P3 and Centering the Display

I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move
the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display?

I have a P3 w/ SVGA. I am using the latest firmware(MCU 1.60; SVGA 1.34;
FPGA 1.04). I am testing macros using the latest P3 utility(1.16.3.15)
Command Tester. (FYI - I live in Fixed Tune Mode.)

Consider the following scenario: Three macros that each move (FA) to 2.5
MHz, 5.0 MHz, and 10.0 MHz respectively and then center the display (#CTF or
#CTF 0 or #RCF 0 or #FXT0;#FXT1; or even just an FA again).

(And yes, I do have more useful needs for this, but this seems like a simple
example.)

Execute them one after the other.

After each macro, I am always left with the Frequency Cursor at the left
edge of the P3 display which is the desired frequency and now defined as the
P3 "Center Frequency" as displayed in the middle of the top edge of the
display (this is also the frequency indicated at the left of the top edge of
the display, the "Lower Frequency Limit").

If I execute the same macro a second time I am centered on the display just
fine. The breakdown seems to occur if I am commanding a new frequency which
is not within some range of the current P3 display. IE. - Going from 2.5 MHz
to 5.0 MHz fails but from 2.706 MHz to 2.5 MHz works.

(Bulletin! - Extensive (!) testing has shown that the 2.5 MHz macro will
work properly if the starting frequency is in the range of 100KHz - 2.999
MHz; the 5.0 MHz macro will work properly in the starting frequency range of
4.800 - 5.999 MHz; and the 10 MHz macro will work properly in the starting
frequency range of 9.000 - 22.999 MHz.)

I think that (from K3 relay noises) those boundaries coincide with some band
filter switching. I have no idea what that means.

I have tried every command combination that I can think of to no avail.

Breaking the macro into separate components works fine.

But it would be nice to accomplish this without having to execute two
separate macros.

Of course the internal programming of the P3 is a black box to me, but the
behavior suggests that it may be a timing issue for the macro execution. It
is as if, after executing the FA command, the centering commands are still
seeing the previous frequency and falling back on the default behavior of
parking at the left edge of the display whenever it thinks that it is being
commanded out of the range of the current P3 display. Even though it isn't.

But that may just be a fantasy I have created in my own mind!

I am happy to entertain any suggestions. Keep in mind that the manual would
make you think that several options should work just fine but the execution
isn't so copacetic. You might want to try things out with the Utility's
Command Tester. Maybe my understanding of what should be possible needs
realignment. ;)

Or perhaps I should just resign myself to the reality that it doesn't work
the way I want it to and move on! :)

Thanks for any hints or tips.

Sean

KB2CKN

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NK7Z

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

I believe:

#RCF+000000;

Will do this... You can expand on it of course...

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 12/07/2016 07:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move
> the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display?

>
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Cady, Fred-2

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

Good morning,

The center frequency command is:

#CTFsggmmmkkkhhh; where s is + or space, and ggmmmkkkhhh is the frequency. To center on VFO A, use #CTF+00000000000;

P3 programmer's commands have to be executed on the P3. While you can embed K3 commands in a P3 macro, you can't put P3 commands in a K3 macro. (Which is kind of too bad.)

Cheers and 73,

Fred KE7X

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(A macro programming book is coming soon.)

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I believe:

#RCF+000000;

Will do this... You can expand on it of course...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 12/07/2016 07:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move
> the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display?

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Re: P3 and Centering the Display

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As an example of how you can set up markers, span and center frequency.

#MKA1;#MFA+00014077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00014078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00014077750;

73,Dave K5MWR

On 12/7/2016 9:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move
> the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display?
>
>
>
> I have a P3 w/ SVGA. I am using the latest firmware(MCU 1.60; SVGA 1.34;
> FPGA 1.04). I am testing macros using the latest P3 utility(1.16.3.15)
> Command Tester. (FYI - I live in Fixed Tune Mode.)
>
>
>
> Consider the following scenario: Three macros that each move (FA) to 2.5
> MHz, 5.0 MHz, and 10.0 MHz respectively and then center the display (#CTF or
> #CTF 0 or #RCF 0 or #FXT0;#FXT1; or even just an FA again).
>
>
>
> (And yes, I do have more useful needs for this, but this seems like a simple
> example.)
>
>
>
> Execute them one after the other.
>
>
>
> After each macro, I am always left with the Frequency Cursor at the left
> edge of the P3 display which is the desired frequency and now defined as the
> P3 "Center Frequency" as displayed in the middle of the top edge of the
> display (this is also the frequency indicated at the left of the top edge of
> the display, the "Lower Frequency Limit").
>
>
>
> If I execute the same macro a second time I am centered on the display just
> fine. The breakdown seems to occur if I am commanding a new frequency which
> is not within some range of the current P3 display. IE. - Going from 2.5 MHz
> to 5.0 MHz fails but from 2.706 MHz to 2.5 MHz works.
>
>
>
> (Bulletin! - Extensive (!) testing has shown that the 2.5 MHz macro will
> work properly if the starting frequency is in the range of 100KHz - 2.999
> MHz; the 5.0 MHz macro will work properly in the starting frequency range of
> 4.800 - 5.999 MHz; and the 10 MHz macro will work properly in the starting
> frequency range of 9.000 - 22.999 MHz.)
>
> I think that (from K3 relay noises) those boundaries coincide with some band
> filter switching. I have no idea what that means.
>
>
>
> I have tried every command combination that I can think of to no avail.
>
>
>
> Breaking the macro into separate components works fine.
>
>
>
> But it would be nice to accomplish this without having to execute two
> separate macros.
>
>
>
> Of course the internal programming of the P3 is a black box to me, but the
> behavior suggests that it may be a timing issue for the macro execution. It
> is as if, after executing the FA command, the centering commands are still
> seeing the previous frequency and falling back on the default behavior of
> parking at the left edge of the display whenever it thinks that it is being
> commanded out of the range of the current P3 display. Even though it isn't.
>
>
>
> But that may just be a fantasy I have created in my own mind!
>
>
>
> I am happy to entertain any suggestions. Keep in mind that the manual would
> make you think that several options should work just fine but the execution
> isn't so copacetic. You might want to try things out with the Utility's
> Command Tester. Maybe my understanding of what should be possible needs
> realignment. ;)
>
>
>
> Or perhaps I should just resign myself to the reality that it doesn't work
> the way I want it to and move on! :)
>
>
>
> Thanks for any hints or tips.
>
>
>
> Sean
>
> KB2CKN
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: P3 and Centering the Display

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Sean

Apologies as I did not read your full post when I sent the earlier response.

I too see the same type of response and need to execute an involved
macro multiple times in order to get it to fully function. Depends on
what frequency/band and mode I am starting with. I would like to have a
macro to take me to a digital mode such as JT65 using something like below.

BN03;FA00007076000;MD6;DT0;PC020;BW0400;FT0;SB0;SWH09;#MKA1;#MFA+00007077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00007078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00007077750;

My understanding is that the time to execute band or large frequency
changes in indeterminate and that there is no simple pause command that
can be inserted to allow the steps to complete.
I also find that the inability to know what mode such as VOX/PTT you are
in causes problems. There was mention at one time that a VOX command
was to be implemented but have not seen that.

Dave K5MWR

On 12/7/2016 9:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote:

Don Wilhelm

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish.
If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change
the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency
centered - no macros required.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/7/2016 6:54 PM, K5MWR via Elecraft wrote:

> Sean
>
> Apologies as I did not read your full post when I sent the earlier
> response.
>
> I too see the same type of response and need to execute an involved
> macro multiple times in order to get it to fully function. Depends on
> what frequency/band and mode I am starting with. I would like to have a
> macro to take me to a digital mode such as JT65 using something like below.
>
> BN03;FA00007076000;MD6;DT0;PC020;BW0400;FT0;SB0;SWH09;#MKA1;#MFA+00007077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00007078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00007077750;
>
>
> My understanding is that the time to execute band or large frequency
> changes in indeterminate and that there is no simple pause command that
> can be inserted to allow the steps to complete.
> I also find that the inability to know what mode such as VOX/PTT you are
> in causes problems. There was mention at one time that a VOX command
> was to be implemented but have not seen that.
>

k6dgw

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that
he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes
the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the
center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2].

Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just
devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a
compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's.
It can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software
utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming
... [:-))

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish.
> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change
> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency
> centered - no macros required.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR

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Alan Bloom

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the
display and then switch back to fixed mode.

Alan N1AL

On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that
> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes
> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the
> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2].
>
> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just
> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a
> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It
> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software
> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming
> ... [:-))
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish.
>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change
>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency
>> centered - no macros required.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>
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Alan Bloom

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

On 12/07/2016 05:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the
> display and then switch back to fixed mode.

I should have actually tried it before I opened my big mouth. :=) That
works when sending commands manually but not in a macro.

The problem seems to be that the K3 is not done processing the QSY
command before the P3 fixed-tune commands occur. It is as though the
fixed-tune commands happened before the QSY rather than after.

I confirmed that by putting a loooooooooooooooooong string of semicolons
after the FA command to add a delay. About 225 semicolons seems to work
reliably on my unit. With these two macros:

FA00007000000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1;
FA00007290000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1;

I can switch back and forth between the two frequencies in fixed-tune
mode and the display remains centered about the VFO A frequency.

Admittedly that is not a very elegant solution and is not necessarily
guaranteed to always work. Another work-around is to leave out the
extra semicolons and just manually send the macro twice. The fraction
of a second pause between button presses is enough to allow the K3 time
to respond.

Alan N1AL

> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that
>> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes
>> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the
>> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2].
>>
>> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just
>> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a
>> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It
>> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software
>> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming
>> ... [:-))
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>>
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish.
>>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change
>>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency
>>> centered - no macros required.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>
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Nr4c

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

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So simple.

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Alan Bloom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the display and then switch back to fixed mode.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
>> On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that
>> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes
>> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the
>> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2].
>>
>> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just
>> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a
>> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It
>> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software
>> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming
>> ... [:-))
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>>
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>>> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish.
>>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change
>>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency
>>> centered - no macros required.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>
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Nr4c

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So set a PF Key to toggle modes. How hard is it to tap a button? How you gonna execute the Macro anyway?

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> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Alan Bloom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/07/2016 05:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>> I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the
>> display and then switch back to fixed mode.
>
> I should have actually tried it before I opened my big mouth. :=) That works when sending commands manually but not in a macro.
>
> The problem seems to be that the K3 is not done processing the QSY command before the P3 fixed-tune commands occur. It is as though the fixed-tune commands happened before the QSY rather than after.
>
> I confirmed that by putting a loooooooooooooooooong string of semicolons after the FA command to add a delay. About 225 semicolons seems to work reliably on my unit. With these two macros:
>
> FA00007000000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1;
> FA00007290000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1;
>
> I can switch back and forth between the two frequencies in fixed-tune mode and the display remains centered about the VFO A frequency.
>
> Admittedly that is not a very elegant solution and is not necessarily guaranteed to always work. Another work-around is to leave out the extra semicolons and just manually send the macro twice. The fraction of a second pause between button presses is enough to allow the K3 time to respond.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>>> On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that
>>> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes
>>> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the
>>> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2].
>>>
>>> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just
>>> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a
>>> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It
>>> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software
>>> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming
>>> ... [:-))
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Fred K6DGW
>>> - Sparks NV DM09dn
>>>
>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish.
>>>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change
>>>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency
>>>> centered - no macros required.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
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Sean Logghe

Re: P3 and Centering the Display

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Thanks for your note Dave! It is reassuring when someone else can confirm
odd behavior and that it is not just me failing to understand what is
supposed to happen.

That is the case far too often as it is. :)

Don't you just hate it when you have a brilliant idea and the hardware just
won't cooperate the way it is supposed to? ;)

It sure does seem that it is a timing issue and that macro execution
proceeds without heeding the completion status of preceding commands.

For now I will have to train myself that some buttons just need to be hit 2x
to get what I want.

Regards

Sean

KB2CKN

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