P3 and continuous 5-15 db 'spike'

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P3 and continuous 5-15 db 'spike'

VE3NFK
Is it normal to have a 'spike' on frequency all the time ?
no antenna, moves off according to CW tone, otherwise
on the centre freq line.  maybe it is normal?

thanks

John VE3NFK
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Re: P3 and continuous 5-15 db 'spike'

Brett Howard
No its not normal...  Check to ensure that your chassis pieces are no
insulated from the brackets that hold them together.  

~Brett (N7MG)

On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 14:33 -0700, VE3NFK wrote:
> Is it normal to have a 'spike' on frequency all the time ?
> no antenna, moves off according to CW tone, otherwise
> on the centre freq line.  maybe it is normal?
>
> thanks
>
> John VE3NFK


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Re: P3 and continuous 5-15 db 'spike'

Alan Bloom
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By any chance do you have something connected to the IF OUT connector on
the P3?  We've seen LO leakage on some devices.

Alan N1AL


> Is it normal to have a 'spike' on frequency all the time ?
> no antenna, moves off according to CW tone, otherwise
> on the centre freq line.  maybe it is normal?
>
> thanks
>
> John VE3NFK
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Re: P3 and continuous 5-15 db 'spike'

VE3NFK
Yes, Alan

an LP-Pan  

and yes that is where the spike comes from...

I checked Brett's suggestion that the in/out might be backwards.. but it is fine.

So - now I need to find out how to stop the leakage.

73

John VE3NFK
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N8LP
The LO leakage of LP-PANs after serial number 200 is about -120dBm. Earlier serial numbers had a bit more leakage, but this is easily fixed by changing the value of C40 to 0.001uF. -120dBm is overkill for LP-PAN's intended purpose, but connecting LP-PAN directly to a receiver (P3) tuned to the LO frequency changes things a bit.

I have run some tests to simulate this situation. First, I connected an LP-PAN directly to a receiver tuned to the LP-PAN LO frequency (8.209MHz for most units, 8.215MHz for the first couple runs). I verified that the leakage was in the -120dBm range by comparing the received signal to my calibrated HP signal generator. Then, I connected the second receiver, LP-PAN and K3 together using a 3dB hybrid splitter . This is reportedly what the P3 uses to split the K3 IF signal.

I could detect nothing on the second receiver at the LP-PAN LO frequency. This makes sense since the hybrid splitter has an isolation spec of -25dB between output ports, which should provide an LP-PAN signal of about -145dBm at the receiver input.

If you make the change to C40 and if the hybrid in the P3 is working as mine does, you should see nothing from the LP-PAN. I repeated the test using a couple different LP-PANs, and I also tried a couple different models of Mini-Circuits splitters. The results were consistent.

BTW, the LP-PAN preamp kit adds another 15-20dB of LO isolation, and lowers the LP-PAN NF to 7dB to help offset the additional loss of the splitter in the P3.

73,
Larry N8LP


VE3NFK wrote
Yes, Alan

an LP-Pan  

and yes that is where the spike comes from...

I checked Brett's suggestion that the in/out might be backwards.. but it is fine.

So - now I need to find out how to stop the leakage.

73

John VE3NFK
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Re: P3 and continuous 5-15 db 'spike'

The Smiths
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Make sure that you're not talking about the "CENTER" line that marks your centers location.  That Blue or Pink line should ALWAYS be there, YES... If you're sure that it's signal than no, it shouldn't be there.
 

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> No its not normal... Check to ensure that your chassis pieces are no
> insulated from the brackets that hold them together.
>
> ~Brett (N7MG)
>
> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 14:33 -0700, VE3NFK wrote:
> > Is it normal to have a 'spike' on frequency all the time ?
> > no antenna, moves off according to CW tone, otherwise
> > on the centre freq line. maybe it is normal?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > John VE3NFK
>
>
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