P3 display size?

[DaveL G3TJP]

I've probably missed something along the way, but just how big (height, width) will the active display be?

I've been reading all the P3 wishlists and am beginning to doubt if my meagre 17 inch computer monitor could display it all.

For some of us older guys, it's not a matter of display resolution, it's what the old eyeball and glasses can eventually make out HI!  But seriously, if the display is small, it may prove impractical for some, which would be a great shame.

73 all.  Dave  G3TJP
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[ac0h]

They're trying their darndest to make it look and act like an
IC-7600/7700/7800,....with a better front end.

If somebody suggests "wallpaper" I'll come unglued.

How about if we have it sing the national anthem, proper selection for
DX of course, brew the coffee, and cook breakfast while we're at it? How
about voice recognition so you'll never have to touch another knob?

For crying out loud!


David Lankshear wrote:

> I've probably missed something along the way, but just how big (height, width) will the active display be?
>
> I've been reading all the P3 wishlists and am beginning to doubt if my meagre 17 inch computer monitor could display it all.
>
> For some of us older guys, it's not a matter of display resolution, it's what the old eyeball and glasses can eventually make out HI!  But seriously, if the display is small, it may prove impractical for some, which would be a great shame.
>
> 73 all.  Dave  G3TJP
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Don't worry - we're really good at trimming the pile of requested
features down to the core group we release the product with. We will not
overload the P3 with a plethora of fringe features.

Guys - Let's calm down the discussion on the P3 features a bit. We
certainly do still want to hear all of your suggestions, but please do
not argue back and forth on the merits of any suggestion, regardless of
how off center it might be. We'll do that internally here :-) Also,
please do not assume that anything is totally set in concrete. We're
making a lot of fine tuned adjustments to the design based on feedback
received so far.

We are very focused on getting the P3 out the door this year and are
making sure creeping elegance doesn't push its release out past the 2012
elections..

Also, we can't answer every query on the P3 right now. We're very busy
both working on it and on our other near term projects like the latest
K3 f/w release, the W2 release and the K144XV release. We'll post more
on the P3 as we have time an its feature set firms up.

And have no fear, we're not going to add 'wallpaper' backgrounds to the
P3 display ;-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
---

R. Kevin Stover wrote:
> They're trying their darndest to make it look and act like an
> IC-7600/7700/7800,....with a better front end.
>
> If somebody suggests "wallpaper" I'll come unglued.
>
>  
>
>
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On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Don't worry - we're really good at trimming the pile of requested
> features down to the core group we release the product with. We will  
> not
> overload the P3 with a plethora of fringe features.

Well... OK. As long as the YouTube viewer makes the final feature  
list, I'll be happy with whatever else you guys decide.

Paul WW2PT
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Hmmmmm....  You never know!
73,
Eric   WA6HHQ

WW2PT wrote:
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> Well... OK. As long as the YouTube viewer makes the final feature  
> list, I'll be happy with whatever else you guys decide.
>
> Paul WW2PT
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[Terry Schieler]

Kevin wrote:

>How about if we have it sing the national anthem, proper selection for
DX of course, brew the coffee, and cook breakfast while we're at it? How
about voice recognition so you'll never have to touch another knob?

For crying out loud!<

Actually, I was hoping it would have a rear panel RJ-11 so that it could
display telephone Caller-ID.  Then I could instantly decide if the caller
was worth interrupting my radio activities for.  ;o)

Terry, W0FM
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[M0XDF]

Can we have a choice of Anthems please?
:-)
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 18 Aug 2009, at 00:28, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

> How about if we have it sing the national anthem,



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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

Yes, I want mine to sing "This Land Is Your Land,..."

73, doug

   From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
   Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:10:43 +0100

   Can we have a choice of Anthems please?

   On 18 Aug 2009, at 00:28, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

   > How about if we have it sing the national anthem,
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[NZ0T]

 And have no fear, we're not going to add 'wallpaper' backgrounds to the
P3 display ;-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ

That tears it for me!  I have to have purple Kansas State PowerCat wallpaper!!!

;)

73, Bill nz0t

[DaveL G3TJP]

I finally obtained an answer to my question..

The display area is 4.5 inches diagonal.  That's about the same screen size as my SatNav, assuming a similar aspect ratio.

I was also unsure whether the display was LCD or OLED.  It has been confirmed that  it is a TFT LCD.

I'm certainly concerned about the size of the display.  It may well be able to display to VGA/XGA resolution, but I wonder if my eyes can cope with something so small.  At least my SatNav talks to me HI!

Maybe a video out connector for a PC monitor might be good to have.  That way, if a P3 is purchased but proves a bit too difficult for older eyes to resolve, there would always be the option of using a larger, outboard display while still retaining the K3/P3 functionality.

73  DaveL  G3TJP

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Believe me, the usable spectral display is much larger compared to the
spectrum displays on other rigs. We use the wole screen for the dislpay,
as opposed to rigs like thePRO-III that only use the bottom 1/4 of their
displays for the panadapter. I'm a 52 yr old reading glasses kind of guy
and the P3 is extremely pleasant for me to use. :-) It would be hard to
get something much larger into a matching enclosure.

Here a link to the P3 and K3 with the P3 in full spectrum display mode.
(Note that our text fonts are now larger than that shown and are very
easy to read. We will have selectable font sizes on the release version
of P3.)

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/K3%20and%20P3%20full%20spect%201024.JPG

As you can see, the display is extremely sharp, bright and easy to read.

And in split screen, spectrum and waterfall mode:
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/P3%20w%20K3%20a.JPG

We also have a full screen waterfall mode, among others. I'll add pics
of that soon

These are very early versions of the f/w and display layouts. We are
roaring ahead refining the f/w and various displays.

More pics soon!

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
=================



David Lankshear wrote:

> I finally obtained an answer to my question..
>
> The display area is 4.5 inches diagonal.  That's about the same screen size as my SatNav, assuming a similar aspect ratio.
>
> I was also unsure whether the display was LCD or OLED.  It has been confirmed that  it is a TFT LCD.
>
> I'm certainly concerned about the size of the display.  It may well be able to display to VGA/XGA resolution, but I wonder if my eyes can cope with something so small.  At least my SatNav talks to me HI!
>
> Maybe a video out connector for a PC monitor might be good to have.  That way, if a P3 is purchased but proves a bit too difficult for older eyes to resolve, there would always be the option of using a larger, outboard display while still retaining the K3/P3 functionality.
>
> 73  DaveL  G3TJP
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[Fred Atchley]

Eric Swartz wrote:

<It would be hard to get something much larger into a matching enclosure.

 

Eric, have you considered placing some of the buttons on the top of the
enclosure near the front. This

would make room for a larger display size and the push down pressure would
also help hold the P3 in-place.

 

Just a thought. 73, Fred AE6IC

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[Brett Howard]

I know that the refresh rate is planned to be going faster here soon but
is there any chance of a simple video so that we may see it in its
active state?

~Brett

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 17:27 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Believe me, the usable spectral display is much larger compared to the
> spectrum displays on other rigs. We use the wole screen for the dislpay,
> as opposed to rigs like thePRO-III that only use the bottom 1/4 of their
> displays for the panadapter. I'm a 52 yr old reading glasses kind of guy
> and the P3 is extremely pleasant for me to use. :-) It would be hard to
> get something much larger into a matching enclosure.
>
> Here a link to the P3 and K3 with the P3 in full spectrum display mode.
> (Note that our text fonts are now larger than that shown and are very
> easy to read. We will have selectable font sizes on the release version
> of P3.)
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/K3%20and%20P3%20full%20spect%201024.JPG
>
> As you can see, the display is extremely sharp, bright and easy to read.
>
> And in split screen, spectrum and waterfall mode:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/P3%20w%20K3%20a.JPG
>
> We also have a full screen waterfall mode, among others. I'll add pics
> of that soon
>
> These are very early versions of the f/w and display layouts. We are
> roaring ahead refining the f/w and various displays.
>
> More pics soon!
>
> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
> =================
>
>
>
> David Lankshear wrote:
> > I finally obtained an answer to my question..
> >
> > The display area is 4.5 inches diagonal.  That's about the same screen size as my SatNav, assuming a similar aspect ratio.
> >
> > I was also unsure whether the display was LCD or OLED.  It has been confirmed that  it is a TFT LCD.
> >
> > I'm certainly concerned about the size of the display.  It may well be able to display to VGA/XGA resolution, but I wonder if my eyes can cope with something so small.  At least my SatNav talks to me HI!
> >
> > Maybe a video out connector for a PC monitor might be good to have.  That way, if a P3 is purchased but proves a bit too difficult for older eyes to resolve, there would always be the option of using a larger, outboard display while still retaining the K3/P3 functionality.
> >
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[Peter Sinclair-3]

Well said Dave.........................It is a must for us oldies along with
the ability to change font size and display digital modes.
Peter G3UCA

>I finally obtained an answer to my question..
>
> The display area is 4.5 inches diagonal.  That's about the same screen
> size as my SatNav, assuming a similar aspect ratio.
>
> I was also unsure whether the display was LCD or OLED.  It has been
> confirmed that  it is a TFT LCD.
>
> I'm certainly concerned about the size of the display.  It may well be
> able to display to VGA/XGA resolution, but I wonder if my eyes can cope
> with something so small.  At least my SatNav talks to me HI!
>
> Maybe a video out connector for a PC monitor might be good to have.  That
> way, if a P3 is purchased but proves a bit too difficult for older eyes to
> resolve, there would always be the option of using a larger, outboard
> display while still retaining the K3/P3 functionality.
>
> 73  DaveL  G3TJP

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Not until later. We are hot in development at the moment and there are a
limited number of P3s.

Ask anyone who was at the Santa Barbara show last weekend and they will
tell you it was very fast :-)

73, Eric


Brett Howard wrote:
> I know that the refresh rate is planned to be going faster here soon but
> is there any chance of a simple video so that we may see it in its
> active state?
>
>  

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

We're happy with the number and placement of the buttons and switches at
this time. This front panel and active matrix display parts of the
design (except for the silkscreen button labels, which will be changing
a bit) is already final, due to the long lead time on these components.

Note that we have an incredible amount of flexibility in s/w. We already
do provide screen labels for the Fn buttons in different pages of the P3
display.

I'll post more screen shots as we proceed on the f/w.

73, Eric


Fred Atchley wrote:

> Eric, have you considered placing some of the buttons on the top of the
> enclosure near the front. This
>
> would make room for a larger display size and the push down pressure would
> also help hold the P3 in-place.  
>
> Just a thought. 73, Fred AE6IC
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

We already plan to offer a VGA output option.

To clarify this a bit, there its is not as simple as connecting a VGA
connector to the display. VGA output actually required additional memory
and a display procesor dedicated to that output path. WE've thought this
through carefully and have provided the hooks to support this additional
h/w in the P3.

Font sizes are already user changeable. That one is important for me
too.. ;-)

As usual, stay tuned!

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
====

Peter Sinclair wrote:

> Well said Dave.........................It is a must for us oldies along with
> the ability to change font size and display digital modes.
> Peter G3UCA
>
>
>
>  
>>
>> Maybe a video out connector for a PC monitor might be good to have.  That
>> way, if a P3 is purchased but proves a bit too difficult for older eyes to
>> resolve, there would always be the option of using a larger, outboard
>> display while still retaining the K3/P3 functionality.
>>
>> 73  DaveL  G3TJP
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

One note on these early P3 pictures.

Several people noted in private emails that the absolute dbM range on
these screen shots (see email below) implied a high noise floor and that
the scale did not go down to the K3s noise floor. The development
firmware used for these pictures was an early version and was not
calibrated or tracking the K3's internal gain, so the scale is somewhat
arbitrary and does not match reality on these pics. Signal averaging was
also not enabled for these pictures.

These pictures were taken to highlight the sharp display and a couple of
our display modes (spectrum, split waterfall - spectrum etc.) Noting is
set in stone on these display layouts. Also, we took these pictures with
a fairly short antenna in an electrically noisy office environment :-)

The P3 has excellent sensitivity and can display signals down close to
the K3s noise floor. Actually, with signal averaging enabled, the P3 can
show -very- weak signals, especially on the waterfall display. I'm
already hooked on the short time I've had it in my lab to use.

Stay tuned ( tired of that phrase yet? ;-)  for more pics as we get
closer to P3 release.

One other note: For normal day to day operation, the P3 is extremely
simple to use. I basically only need to push 2-3 dedicated buttons to
select full vs split display, select a signal with the cursor and center
the K3 on it, set the sweep span, reference level etc. Anyone can sit
down and start using it without reading the manual. All the other
configurable option buttons are there for more advanced usage. We'll
talk more about their features as we proceed with the design.

73, Eric   WA6HHQ
------

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Here a link to the P3 and K3 with the P3 in full spectrum display mode.
> (Note that our text fonts are now larger than that shown and are very
> easy to read. We will have selectable font sizes on the release version
> of P3.)
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/K3%20and%20P3%20full%20spect%201024.JPG
>
> As you can see, the display is extremely sharp, bright and easy to read.
>
> And in split screen, spectrum and waterfall mode:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/pics/P3%20w%20K3%20a.JPG
>
> We also have a full screen waterfall mode, among others. I'll add pics
> of that soon
>
> These are very early versions of the f/w and display layouts. We are
> roaring ahead refining the f/w and various displays.
>
> More pics soon!
>
> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
> =================
> _..._
>  

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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

The IF output buffer mod is perfectly OK with the P3. We've refined and
simplified the mod to a 1 resistor change and will be posting a mod note
next week.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ

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Pete Connors wrote:

> Eric Swartz -WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>
>  
>> The P3 has excellent sensitivity and can display signals down close to
>> the K3s noise floor. Actually, with signal averaging enabled, the P3 can
>> show -very- weak signals, especially on the waterfall display. I'm
>> already hooked on the short time I've had it in my lab to use.
>>
>>    
>
> I assume those who have done the IF buffer mod for their LP-PANs will
> experience a lower noise floor with the P3 unless it is going to
> incorporate extra IF gain, in which case how will the IF buffer mod
> affect the performance/use of the P3? Would it be better if the IF
> buffer mod came out?
>
> Pete, F5VNB
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