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ae4pb

P3 or Sub Rx?

Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.

Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA

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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

From here for me as a sample of one, it's a winner to actually listen
to my split transmit frequency leaving the main RX tuned to the DX.
Using diversity on 160/80/40 to hear really weak ones is remarkable.
So I'd go with the SubRX first. But that's just MY answer, there are a
thousand variations.

More than that, I think being confined to "either/or" is a loser.
There are keen advantages and usefulnesses to one not served by the
other. Kind of like shall I buy four tires or a steering wheel for my
car. I have both. I have the P3SVGA because the significantly
increased definition is useful to me for a more detailed display of
technical aspects of signals. Also, it's useful in contests in ways
the smaller display doesn't show nearly as well (again MY personal
impressions).

In the end the answer, like a lot of your other posed questions, is
really a *very* personal question with very individual answers. No
simple answers, not really. It's your budget, your druthers.

Best thing is to go somewhere someone has one and operate them
yourself, even if that is a three hour drive, and significantly
inconvenient. Make your decision based on what *YOU* saw and heard.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:38 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
>
> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
>
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

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Jerry,

If you are used to a single receiver without a panadapter, then you are
used to using your ears.
So, I would suggest that the SubRX would be the first choice for DX
operation. You can monitor the DX frequency in one ear and the pileup
in the other - tuning a bit should reveal the station that the DX is
currently working. You can then decide your best transmit frequency,
and the timing of your call.

OTOH, if you are used to using a panadapter and are adept at visually
determining the station the DX is working, then the P3 may suit your
needs better.

Of course, having both is a great advantage, but I understand if your
budget must restrict your initial choice to one or the other.

What I am saying is to expand on your current operating experience.
Doing a "quantum leap" to something you are not now familiar with may
not be the best solution for you. We all respond differently to
stimulus, so consider what you are familiar with. The K3 can enhance
your horizons, but it is an easier learning curve if you do it gradually
rather than in one giant step.

The greatest thing about Elecraft is that you can add these things
incrementally - you do not have to decide on the "best package" at the
start. Begin where you think is the best minimum package for you, and
add to that after you have experience and budget to take advantage of
other options to add to your operating enjoyment.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2015 9:38 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
>
>

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jh3sif

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

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I got the SubRX first as a must item for DXing with K3, because I have another TRX with dual receiver capability. One of my friends got P3 and has repeatedly talked about P3 how it has excellently and effectively worked on chasing DX stations. Almost one year from having got my K3, I decided to add P3 to my K3. Now, my K3 with both the SubRX and P3 is my main gear for DXing.
I would suggest to have the SubRX first. Of course, having both is the best.

73 de JH3SIF, Keith

2015/08/23 10:38、<[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> のメッセージ:

Mike K2MK

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

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Hi Jerry,

There's
A. casual DXing
B. contesting
C. casual split pile-up chasing
D. die-hard split pile-up chasing

For A you don't need either
For B you should consider the P3
For C you should consider the Sub RX
For D you should order both immediately

If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it turned off most of the time.

73,
Mike K2MK

ae4pb wrote

Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.

Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA

Vic Rosenthal

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

If you are dealing with JA pileups, you only need a P3 because only the station that has been called by the DX will answer.
With EU pileups you will also need a subrx because everyone will be calling all the time.
USA pileups are in between.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Mike K2MK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> There's
> A. casual DXing
> B. contesting
> C. casual split pile-up chasing
> D. die-hard split pile-up chasing
>
> For A you don't need either
> For B you should consider the P3
> For C you should consider the Sub RX
> For D you should order both immediately
>
> If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
> fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
> turned off most of the time.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> ae4pb wrote
>> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be
>> CW
>> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been
>> suggested
>> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
>> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't
>> be
>> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA
>

W1IS

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

In reply to this post by Mike K2MK

I use my Sub-receiver ALL THE TIME in Diversity mode. If you haven't used diversity, you are truly missing something. I also use my P3 all the time. Can't live without either.

Bob
W1IS

ae4pb

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

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I like the way you split it up.
I fit mostly under A/C, I'd like to think I would never get into D unless
I'm relying on the spotting cluster rather than dialing and listening.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike
K2MK
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 6:43 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?

Hi Jerry,

There's
A. casual DXing
B. contesting
C. casual split pile-up chasing
D. die-hard split pile-up chasing

For A you don't need either
For B you should consider the P3
For C you should consider the Sub RX
For D you should order both immediately

If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
turned off most of the time.

73,
Mike K2MK

ae4pb wrote

> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will
> be CW with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's
> been suggested that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver.
> I'm starting to rethink that and just wondering which is the most
> useful for DX? I won't be getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it
> pre-owned and need it.
>
> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
>
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA

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Mike K2MK

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

I might have to re-evaluate. For casual split chasing the P3 can still be awesome. And the P3 is just so cool for general use. If I were funds limited I would definitely buy a P3 and save up for the sub RX. Having both is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

73,
Mike K2MK

ae4pb wrote

I like the way you split it up.
I fit mostly under A/C, I'd like to think I would never get into D unless
I'm relying on the spotting cluster rather than dialing and listening.

Don Butler

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

In reply to this post by ae4pb

I think some folks may have forgotten that a subreceiver is not required to
locate a DX station's listening frequency in a split pileup. Before second
receivers were available we all did what we had to do . we quickly switched
between VFOs and tuned the listening range . and it worked . not all the
time . but most of the time..and it still works .. And guys who are good at
it can do as well as others with two receivers. The second receiver, of
course, makes it easier.. And a panadapter makes it even better. I had my
second receiver long before I bought a P3 and thought I was in great shape .
but when I started using the panadapter it opened up an entire new world and
I would no longer want to be without it. I still believe however that the
P3 is much more valuable when it's used along with a second receiver, so I
would still buy my second receiver first.

It is really the huge pileups where the real value of the combination of
subreceiver and panadapter will be revealed.

To illustrate, I made several videos while tuning through the huge pileups
generated during the recent K1N dxpedition. Here's one that will speak for
itself. Follow the link and read the description before viewing:
https://vimeo.com/album/2915831/video/119076467

Don, N5LZ

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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?

Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.

Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA

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Wes (N7WS)

Re: P3 or Sub Rx?

In reply to this post by Vic Rosenthal

Regrettably, the JAs are "catching up" to the EUs, but generally true.

As to the original question, I use neither, but do have the near equivalent of
the P3. an SDR-IQ used as a panadapter. Although this could be used as a second
RX, I have enough difficulty listening to one RX, I don't need to be further
confused with a second.

A couple of more QSLs for 30-meter QSOs and I will have 8-band DXCC. I have DXCC
Mixed, CW, Phone and RTTY and I'm 3 away from top of the Honor Roll with my
modest station (http://qrz.com/db/N7WS) Nevertheless,I still don't know which
of categories below I fit into other than it's not B.

Wes N7WS

On 8/23/2015 5:37 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

> If you are dealing with JA pileups, you only need a P3 because only the station that has been called by the DX will answer.
> With EU pileups you will also need a subrx because everyone will be calling all the time.
> USA pileups are in between.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Mike K2MK <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> There's
>> A. casual DXing
>> B. contesting
>> C. casual split pile-up chasing
>> D. die-hard split pile-up chasing
>>
>> For A you don't need either
>> For B you should consider the P3
>> For C you should consider the Sub RX
>> For D you should order both immediately
>>
>> If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
>> fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
>> turned off most of the time.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike K2MK
>>