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n6wg

P3 question

I know we are still waiting for more details, but there's a chance I
might have missed some post with this info.

I understand we will be able to click on a signal to tune the K3
to that frequency. Will this require a separate mouse in addition
to the one used with our logging programs?

It would be nice to have a means where the cursor could move
from the logging screen to the P3 display, as if it was a computer
with two monitors and the cursor moving between them.

Anyone know if this is contemplated?

Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG
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Merv Schweigert

Re: P3 question

> Anyone know if this is contemplated?
>
> Thanks and 73
> Bob N6WG
>
There has been a lot of discussion about this, I am not sure if there
has been any action or not, the first info that I remember is that
the small knob on the bottom right of the P3 controls the cursor
position and thats the "point and click". Early on there was no
provision for external mouse control, but that may changed by
release time.
Seems that was high on the list of wants.
Some one else had asked about pricing and as I recall it was in the
700 range.
73 Merv KH7C
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M0XDF

Re: P3 question

In reply to this post by n6wg

you turn the right hand knob to move the line and then press it - that
is the click as far as I know.
No mouse involved with the P3.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
--
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But I'm not so sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein.

On 26 Dec 2009, at 17:12, Bob Tellefsen wrote:

> I know we are still waiting for more details, but there's a chance I
> might have missed some post with this info.
>
> I understand we will be able to click on a signal to tune the K3
> to that frequency. Will this require a separate mouse in addition
> to the one used with our logging programs?
>
> It would be nice to have a means where the cursor could move
> from the logging screen to the P3 display, as if it was a computer
> with two monitors and the cursor moving between them.
>
> Anyone know if this is contemplated?
>
> Thanks and 73
> Bob N6WG
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Fred Atchley

Re: P3 question

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As I recall some of the discussions at the Santa Barbara Hamfest, a mouse
interface would greatly complicate the design of the P3. The standard
computer-to-mouse interface requires a software driver which is not trivial
to design and maintain (drivers are written in machine code for a specific
processor architecture.)

IMO though, It should be possible to design a mouse-like remote to the P3
that emulates the knob and buttons.

73, Fred, AE6IC

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n6wg

Re: P3 question

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Thqanks Merv
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
73 and Happy New Year
Bob N6WG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Merv Schweigert" <[hidden email]>
To: "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Reflector Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

>
>> Anyone know if this is contemplated?
>>
>> Thanks and 73
>> Bob N6WG
>>
> There has been a lot of discussion about this, I am not sure if there
> has been any action or not, the first info that I remember is that
> the small knob on the bottom right of the P3 controls the cursor
> position and thats the "point and click". Early on there was no
> provision for external mouse control, but that may changed by
> release time.
> Seems that was high on the list of wants.
> Some one else had asked about pricing and as I recall it was in the
> 700 range.
> 73 Merv KH7C

n6wg

Re: P3 question

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Well, maybe if we ask nicely :-)
Thanks and Happy New Year
Bob N6WG

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
To: "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Reflector Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

> you turn the right hand knob to move the line and then press it - that
> is the click as far as I know.
> No mouse involved with the P3.
> 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
> --
> Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
> But I'm not so sure about the universe. -- Albert Einstein.
>
>
>
> On 26 Dec 2009, at 17:12, Bob Tellefsen wrote:
>
>> I know we are still waiting for more details, but there's a chance I
>> might have missed some post with this info.
>>
>> I understand we will be able to click on a signal to tune the K3
>> to that frequency. Will this require a separate mouse in addition
>> to the one used with our logging programs?
>>
>> It would be nice to have a means where the cursor could move
>> from the logging screen to the P3 display, as if it was a computer
>> with two monitors and the cursor moving between them.
>>
>> Anyone know if this is contemplated?
>>
>> Thanks and 73
>> Bob N6WG
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n6wg

Re: P3 question

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Thanks Fred
Happy New Year
Bob N6WG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

> As I recall some of the discussions at the Santa Barbara Hamfest, a mouse
> interface would greatly complicate the design of the P3. The standard
> computer-to-mouse interface requires a software driver which is not
> trivial
> to design and maintain (drivers are written in machine code for a specific
> processor architecture.)
>
>
>
> IMO though, It should be possible to design a mouse-like remote to the P3
> that emulates the knob and buttons.
>
>
>
> 73, Fred, AE6IC
>
>
>
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: P3 question

Older mice (the ones with "mouse balls") used two rotary encoders to
sense and count movement in two directions.

The P3 uses a single rotary encoder and a knob to position a vertical
line on a horizontal scale.

The same encoder is used for P3 menu selections.

A mouse is but one kind of "pointing device". Currently the most
common of course.

73 de Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:28 AM, "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Fred
> Happy New Year
> Bob N6WG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question
>
>
>> As I recall some of the discussions at the Santa Barbara Hamfest, a
>> mouse
>> interface would greatly complicate the design of the P3. The standard
>> computer-to-mouse interface requires a software driver which is not
>> trivial
>> to design and maintain (drivers are written in machine code for a
>> specific
>> processor architecture.)
>>
>>
>>
>> IMO though, It should be possible to design a mouse-like remote to
>> the P3
>> that emulates the knob and buttons.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Fred, AE6IC
>>
>>
>>
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n6wg

Re: P3 question

Hi Dick
Yes, I used to use a trackball with my Mac
at work for doing drawings. Great tool
for the purpose.

Sure would be slick if someone could figure
out a way for the P3 to look like a second monitor
when using a logging program and let the
cursor run back and forth between the screens.
73, Bob N6WG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
To: "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

> Older mice (the ones with "mouse balls") used two rotary encoders to
> sense and count movement in two directions.
>
> The P3 uses a single rotary encoder and a knob to position a vertical
> line on a horizontal scale.
>
> The same encoder is used for P3 menu selections.
>
> A mouse is but one kind of "pointing device". Currently the most
> common of course.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:28 AM, "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Fred
>> Happy New Year
>> Bob N6WG
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question
>>
>>
>>> As I recall some of the discussions at the Santa Barbara Hamfest, a
>>> mouse
>>> interface would greatly complicate the design of the P3. The standard
>>> computer-to-mouse interface requires a software driver which is not
>>> trivial
>>> to design and maintain (drivers are written in machine code for a
>>> specific
>>> processor architecture.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMO though, It should be possible to design a mouse-like remote to
>>> the P3
>>> that emulates the knob and buttons.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, Fred, AE6IC
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: P3 question

You are asking for an incredible amount of integration between a
Windows OS and the P3...

Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2009, at 4:35 PM, "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Dick
> Yes, I used to use a trackball with my Mac
> at work for doing drawings. Great tool
> for the purpose.
>
> Sure would be slick if someone could figure
> out a way for the P3 to look like a second monitor
> when using a logging program and let the
> cursor run back and forth between the screens.
> 73, Bob N6WG
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]
> >
> To: "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question
>
>
>> Older mice (the ones with "mouse balls") used two rotary encoders
>> to sense and count movement in two directions.
>> The P3 uses a single rotary encoder and a knob to position a
>> vertical line on a horizontal scale.
>> The same encoder is used for P3 menu selections.
>> A mouse is but one kind of "pointing device". Currently the most
>> common of course.
>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:28 AM, "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks Fred
>>> Happy New Year
>>> Bob N6WG
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question
>>>
>>>
>>>> As I recall some of the discussions at the Santa Barbara Hamfest,
>>>> a mouse
>>>> interface would greatly complicate the design of the P3. The
>>>> standard
>>>> computer-to-mouse interface requires a software driver which is not
>>>> trivial
>>>> to design and maintain (drivers are written in machine code for
>>>> a specific
>>>> processor architecture.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO though, It should be possible to design a mouse-like remote
>>>> to the P3
>>>> that emulates the knob and buttons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73, Fred, AE6IC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>
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n6wg

Re: P3 question

Very true, Dick, but as we really don't know
a lot about the P3 yet, it seemed a legitimate question.
I can accept that the design doesn't let you get there
from here, but if one doesn't ask about a capability,
it might not even get considered by the developers.
Anyway, still eager to get my hands on one.
73, Bob N6WG

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
To: "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question

> You are asking for an incredible amount of integration between a Windows
> OS and the P3...
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 26, 2009, at 4:35 PM, "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dick
>> Yes, I used to use a trackball with my Mac
>> at work for doing drawings. Great tool
>> for the purpose.
>>
>> Sure would be slick if someone could figure
>> out a way for the P3 to look like a second monitor
>> when using a logging program and let the
>> cursor run back and forth between the screens.
>> 73, Bob N6WG
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]
>> >
>> To: "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question
>>
>>
>>> Older mice (the ones with "mouse balls") used two rotary encoders to
>>> sense and count movement in two directions.
>>> The P3 uses a single rotary encoder and a knob to position a vertical
>>> line on a horizontal scale.
>>> The same encoder is used for P3 menu selections.
>>> A mouse is but one kind of "pointing device". Currently the most
>>> common of course.
>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Dec 26, 2009, at 11:28 AM, "Bob Tellefsen" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Fred
>>>> Happy New Year
>>>> Bob N6WG
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Fred Atchley" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:13 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As I recall some of the discussions at the Santa Barbara Hamfest, a
>>>>> mouse
>>>>> interface would greatly complicate the design of the P3. The standard
>>>>> computer-to-mouse interface requires a software driver which is not
>>>>> trivial
>>>>> to design and maintain (drivers are written in machine code for a
>>>>> specific
>>>>> processor architecture.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO though, It should be possible to design a mouse-like remote to
>>>>> the P3
>>>>> that emulates the knob and buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Fred, AE6IC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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