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hhoyt

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Fred/N0AZZ said:
>>Some people do well using a dummy load.

Yeah, I hear a bunch of dummy loads obscuring PT0S...I have tried since the first day and still have not gotten through the cacaphony. Maybe I'm the dummy load...where's my amp?? (said the KX3 user with a low dipole; can you say NVIS?) Despite my antenna and power limitation, I've worked 50+ countries in a little over a month with this setup, and can't get through that pile-up.

I cannot even believe the language some people use on the air! And the tuning up on-freq? The ten minute long string of dits? The blasting RTTY insults over PT0S signal? The ignoring PT0S's please for specific areas and replying with insults? These folks are paying for, and braving what seems to be a worsening weather situation on a freakin rock in the middle of the Atlantic eating instant coffee raw to give some lucky hams a new contact, and some **** is sitting in a comfy chair insulted they cannot get through? I'm pretty disappointed by a few people. I do suspect that vast majority of people are doing their best to stay calm and cooperative, though.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the cider.

Howie - WA4PSC

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N0AZZ

Re: PT0S

You are correct it is really bad I agree some of the worst I have came
across, mainly because of the size of the operation/conditions/needed
entity. None of these make a good mix but when you put them all together
then add in poor ops/no operating skills and very wide splits makes for the
conditions we are seeing.

Not bragging but I have them 2 bands it's a new one for me and both calls on
both bands 10/40m were answered on the 1st or 2nd call I was in early before
the pileup hit. I'm in their log and LoTW so I'm finished let others in.

The tuning up by people who can't work them is always around on most DX but
the language, years ago I hung out in some pretty bad bars and those people
sounded the same. It just goes to show "You Can't Fix Stupid"!

Fred/N0AZZ

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Subject: [Elecraft] PT0S

Fred/N0AZZ said:
>>Some people do well using a dummy load.

Yeah, I hear a bunch of dummy loads obscuring PT0S...I have tried since the
first day and still have not gotten through the cacaphony. Maybe I'm the
dummy load...where's my amp?? (said the KX3 user with a low dipole; can you
say NVIS?) Despite my antenna and power limitation, I've worked 50+
countries in a little over a month with this setup, and can't get through
that pile-up.

I cannot even believe the language some people use on the air! And the
tuning up on-freq? The ten minute long string of dits? The blasting RTTY
insults over PT0S signal? The ignoring PT0S's please for specific areas and
replying with insults? These folks are paying for, and braving what seems
to be a worsening weather situation on a freakin rock in the middle of the
Atlantic eating instant coffee raw to give some lucky hams a new contact,
and some **** is sitting in a comfy chair insulted they cannot get through?
I'm pretty disappointed by a few people. I do suspect that vast majority of
people are doing their best to stay calm and cooperative, though.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the cider.

Howie - WA4PSC

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Millerhill

Re: PT0S

As a new ham, and very new to DX (just a couple of months) I was really turned off by stations like PT0S at first, but it seems to me that if you really want a particular station then you have to take whatever comes and be patient. I spent over an hour just listening on 80m and ultimately there was an opening and I took it. First call and a 599 QSL.

It amazes me that people tune up on ANY freq where folks are operating. Very rude and inconsiderate.

Oh well...can't worry about some of the lids out there.

73
Steve
W1SFR

On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

> You are correct it is really bad I agree some of the worst I have came
> across, mainly because of the size of the operation/conditions/needed
> entity. None of these make a good mix but when you put them all together
> then add in poor ops/no operating skills and very wide splits makes for the
> conditions we are seeing.
>
> Not bragging but I have them 2 bands it's a new one for me and both calls on
> both bands 10/40m were answered on the 1st or 2nd call I was in early before
> the pileup hit. I'm in their log and LoTW so I'm finished let others in.
>
> The tuning up by people who can't work them is always around on most DX but
> the language, years ago I hung out in some pretty bad bars and those people
> sounded the same. It just goes to show "You Can't Fix Stupid"!
>
> Fred/N0AZZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Howard Hoyt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:28 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] PT0S
>
> Fred/N0AZZ said:
>>> Some people do well using a dummy load.
>
> Yeah, I hear a bunch of dummy loads obscuring PT0S...I have tried since the
> first day and still have not gotten through the cacaphony. Maybe I'm the
> dummy load...where's my amp?? (said the KX3 user with a low dipole; can you
> say NVIS?) Despite my antenna and power limitation, I've worked 50+
> countries in a little over a month with this setup, and can't get through
> that pile-up.
>
> I cannot even believe the language some people use on the air! And the
> tuning up on-freq? The ten minute long string of dits? The blasting RTTY
> insults over PT0S signal? The ignoring PT0S's please for specific areas and
> replying with insults? These folks are paying for, and braving what seems
> to be a worsening weather situation on a freakin rock in the middle of the
> Atlantic eating instant coffee raw to give some lucky hams a new contact,
> and some **** is sitting in a comfy chair insulted they cannot get through?
> I'm pretty disappointed by a few people. I do suspect that vast majority of
> people are doing their best to stay calm and cooperative, though.
>
> It only takes one bad apple to spoil the cider.
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
>
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Mike Sanders

Re: PT0S

In reply to this post by hhoyt

Well said Howie. My K3 was driving a PW1 to a KW out and
the beams are all up 60 or 70 feet. I did work them a couple
times but to say it was difficult would be an understatement.
I make mistakes all the time especially with respect to splits.
It happens but what you speak of is deliberate of course.
Working them gave me a new one on CW #323 so it was
pretty important to me.
All the complaints about the operation do put US into
perspective and all the explanations from them do put the
SEVERE conditions in the forefront.
Everyone should have known when K3s fail in short order
the environment must be extremely bad and certainly not
the comfortable climate controlled shack my fat behind
and K3 occupy as you mentioned.
Lets give these guys the benefit of the doubt and praise
them for a seriously major undertaking. After all they were
fighting the elements more than the pile ups. I am just glad
they had K3s with their very poor receiving conditions.
Kudos from me to the PTOS guys for an incredible effort
and to their K3s for just being K3s.
Your also right about the vast majority of ops keeping
their composure. It only took a few to make it look ugly
as you said. 73

Mike Sanders
KOAZ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:28 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] PT0S

Fred/N0AZZ said:
>>Some people do well using a dummy load.

Yeah, I hear a bunch of dummy loads obscuring PT0S...I have tried since the
first day and still have not gotten through the cacaphony. Maybe I'm the
dummy load...where's my amp?? (said the KX3 user with a low dipole; can you
say NVIS?) Despite my antenna and power limitation, I've worked 50+
countries in a little over a month with this setup, and can't get through
that pile-up.

I cannot even believe the language some people use on the air! And the
tuning up on-freq? The ten minute long string of dits? The blasting RTTY
insults over PT0S signal? The ignoring PT0S's please for specific areas and
replying with insults? These folks are paying for, and braving what seems
to be a worsening weather situation on a freakin rock in the middle of the
Atlantic eating instant coffee raw to give some lucky hams a new contact,
and some **** is sitting in a comfy chair insulted they cannot get through?
I'm pretty disappointed by a few people. I do suspect that vast majority of
people are doing their best to stay calm and cooperative, though.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the cider.

Howie - WA4PSC

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