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Edward A. Dauer

Packing Peanuts

Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .

Ted, KN1CBR

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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Packing Peanuts

Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener. As
to the ones in the box, same thing. Static gone.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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Rose

Re: Packing Peanuts

Or hair spray ...

73

Ken - K0PP

On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener. As to
> the ones in the box, same thing. Static gone.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>
>> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They
>> cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get
>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
>> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them with
>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
>> all.
>>
>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't there
>> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their ancestors
>> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
>> . . .
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Packing Peanuts

Oh no, sticky goo forever.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/17/2017 3:44 PM, Rose wrote:
> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>

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Kevin - K4VD

Re: Packing Peanuts

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Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener. As to
> > the ones in the box, same thing. Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They
> >> cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get
> >> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: Packing Peanuts

On every Elecraft kit I've ever gotten, any static-sensitive parts are
packed in anti-static protective bags. Shouldnt be an issue.

73 de,

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Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.
> > As to the ones in the box, same thing. Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers.
> >> They cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box.
> >> After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common
> >> charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing
> >> them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t
> >> help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.
> >> Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking
> >> the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Packing Peanuts

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Packing peanuts are an abomination. There should be a special place in
hell for those who use them. Anyone who puts them in a package shipped
to me goes to the top of my s&*T list. Thanks to limited indoor space, I
must open most packages outdoors, and when I do, those obscene packing
peanuts fly all over the place. Even when they don't escape, they're a
pain to put in a trash bag to throw away.

Yes, there FAR better options. My favorite is bubble wrap, which I save
and re-use. The bags of air work well for some kinds of products.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,6/17/2017 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

k6dgw

Re: Packing Peanuts

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Every ESD I've ever gotten from Elecraft has been packed in an
anti-static bag and/or "plugged" into anti-static foam. But ...don't
ever use styrofoam egg cartonsor other containers for sorting ESD
parts. Best move is to keep all styrofoam off the bench, period.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/17/2017 2:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:

> Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
> electronic equipment like the K2?
>
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Or hair spray ...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener. As to
>>> the ones in the box, same thing. Static gone.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>>>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>>>
>>>> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They
>>>> cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get
>>>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
>> the
>>>> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them
>> with
>>>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>>>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't
>> there
>>>> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their
>> ancestors
>>>> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
>> kit
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>>
>>>>
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kstover

Re: Packing Peanuts

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No. The static sensitive parts of Elecraft kits are shipped in
anti-static bags. Keep them in the bag till you need them.

On 6/17/2017 4:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:

> Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
> electronic equipment like the K2?
>
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Or hair spray ...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener. As to
>>> the ones in the box, same thing. Static gone.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>>>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>>>
>>>> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They
>>>> cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get
>>>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
>> the
>>>> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them
>> with
>>>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>>>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't
>> there
>>>> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their
>> ancestors
>>>> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
>> kit
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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Clay Autery

Re: Packing Peanuts

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Ghost Guano... peanuts made from starch that dissolve when wet, but
they don't handle the same weight...

Surprised California hasn't banned polystyrene peanuts yet...

I LOATHE polystyrene peanuts... I can cut steel with my cussing when
dealing with them. ;-)

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On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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NOT if they are pink peanuts, OR if the radio is packed inside a static
proof bag before being swallowed up in the white peanuts...

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On 6/17/2017 4:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:

Don Wilhelm

Re: Packing Peanuts

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

I do re-use those packing peanuts because if I do not they will pile up
from the packages I receive. I believe Elecraft does the same thing.
Yes, those white ones will almost jump out of the package and stick to
most anything.
Normally the 'goodies' in the box are wrapped in some kind of plastic or
bubble wrap (or in the case of Elecraft kits, smaller boxes) If you
reach in and extract the enclosed items you can normally pick up the box
and dump (brush) the packing peanuts into a garbage bag or other container.

Be cautious about what you are packing when using those large air-filled
bags. They work fine for lightweight items, but for heavy items like a
radio, those air bags often get compressed and burst allowing the
heavier objects to move around in the shipping carton - a recipe for damage.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 6:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> Yes, there FAR better options. My favorite is bubble wrap, which I save
> and re-use. The bags of air work well for some kinds of products.
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Rick Tavan-2

Re: Packing Peanuts

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Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't
tolerate is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to
open without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that
packaging technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some
companies are beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They
> cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them with
> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
> all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't there
> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their ancestors
> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
> . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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VA3ON

Re: Packing Peanuts

Actually there is a pretty good substitute package ng peanut made of starch. (You can eat them, although I don't suggest it having ng "demoed" that in many a warehouse tour years ago) they also hold less of a charge and "melt" in water. Pretty cool stuff and recommended!

/rod VA3ON

On Jun 17, 2017, at 19:31, Rick Tavan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't
tolerate is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to
open without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that
packaging technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some
companies are beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged. They cling to my fingers. They
> cling to my shirt. They cling to the outer shipping box. After I get
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
> smaller pieces flying out again. Back onto my fingers. Grabbing them with
> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
> all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory. Isn't there
> some good substitute for these accursed things? Maybe like their ancestors
> -- real peanuts? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
> . . .
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Re: Packing Peanuts

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Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts. I work in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our building well over a decade ago. All of our vendors are required to not use them. They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything. What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing static sensitive parts? It has to go somewhere.

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-------- Original message --------From: "Ian Kahn, KM4IK" <[hidden email]> Date: 6/17/17 4:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'Kevin - K4VD' <[hidden email]>, 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
On every Elecraft kit I've ever gotten, any static-sensitive parts are
packed in anti-static protective bags. Shouldnt be an issue.

73 de,

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Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

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Re: Packing Peanuts

If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static charge
will be dissipated through the wrist strap.

If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts. I work
in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our
building well over a decade ago. All of our vendors are required to not use
them. They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything.
What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body
after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing
static sensitive parts? It has to go somewhere.

73,
Gary K9GS

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Re: Packing Peanuts

Ditto.
The prime directive. Follow the manufacturers instructions.

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> If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static
> charge will be dissipated through the wrist strap.
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> If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!
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> Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts. I
> work in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from
> our building well over a decade ago. All of our vendors are required to
> not use them. They are a killer for electronic components.
> It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to
> everything. What do you think happens to that static charge that is
> present on your body after handling this packing material when you open
> a static bag containing static sensitive parts? It has to go somewhere.
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> Gary K9GS
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Packing Peanuts

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Perhaps. But since at least as early as 1990 when James Reason published his work on systems approaches to error prevention, numerous industries have adopted the view that trying to make people perfect and blaming them when they are not just doesn’t work. The fields in which I have spent some time – aviation and healthcare in particular – have seen very favorable error reduction when the focus moved to improving the systems within which people work as much as, or more than, improving the people. Shaming and blaming almost always backfires.

So, to bring this to the topic here, if there’s a good substitute for electrostatically risky styro packing materials, and if the economics aren’t adverse, that part of the Elecraft shipping system could be improved. The popular phrase may be “idiot-proofing,” but we have seen it work with highly intelligent and highly educated pilots and medical personnel, among others. It is safest to assume that “stupid fault” just means statistically predictable human behavior. Blaming makes us feel better, but empirically it tends not to move the error needle very much.

Ted, KN1CBR

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If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static charge
will be dissipated through the wrist strap.

If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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Re: Packing Peanuts

Time to put the "peanuts" to bed. Moderator - Please take note.

Best regards,

Jerry, W1IE

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