I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save
some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ 73, Mike ab3ap ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Looks Very Nice !
NK 9G Sent from my iPad > On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. ... >> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 into this presentation: https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf -John AC6SL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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What a great idea. Love the simplicity. Thank you, Mike!
73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Mike Markowski Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:36 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ 73, Mike ab3ap ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Room for expansion too. Very Cool.
Kevin. KD5ONS On 03/26/2018 06:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Very nice looking setup!
I use a similar rack from home depot which holds the K3, P3, four transverters and amps for VHF / UHF, and associated SWR meters, etc. About 360 days of the year it sits on the desk in the shack connected to the shack computer and antennas. When it's time for a VHF+ contest, the whole thing relocates to the back seat of my truck for rover operations. Works very well. I liked it so much that I bought a second rack for some other stuff in the shack (rotor controllers, antennas switches, etc.). On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:35 PM kevinr <[hidden email]> wrote: > Room for expansion too. Very Cool. > > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > On 03/26/2018 06:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > > save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also > > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > > > 73, > > Mike ab3ap > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Looks nice but can you get to the controls?
Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 26, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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And you can still warm pies over the KPA500.
Eric KE6US On 3/26/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I use the same rack in black (from Amazon).
73, On 3/26/18 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > . > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Slick.
I have a bunch of those shelves in a bigger size in the garage. Wes N7WS On 3/26/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some > desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy > with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear > without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Thanks, guys, for the replies and comments. Bill nr4c, yes, I can reach
controls by having each device slid forward so that its front panel is just beyond the shelf front edge. The only issue is that the K3 tends to slide back a little when a push/hold for a button's 2nd function is wanted. I need a non-skid surface between the K3 and shelf. 73, Mike ab3ap On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: > Looks nice but can you get to the controls? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm > very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking > their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > > > 73, > > Mike ab3ap > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 3/26/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote:
> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm > very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in > stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ I've been using that system with 24" shelves for five years. Two shelves wide and three stacked high holds my K2/100/AT and accessories as well as several VHF/UHF transceivers and TNCs, two "heavyweight" ICOM Communications Receivers, and a full-width DC power distribution and metering panel. I got the idea from the Beaverton ARES installation that used it several years before that. "There's nothing new under the sun...." ---- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Very nice, John!
I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're sturdy enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Shoe+Rack &FORM=IDINTS I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John Nogatch Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 Cc: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line >> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. ... >> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 into this presentation: https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf -John AC6SL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Some models are sturdier than others. The newer ones I have are much more rigid and don't sag (much) with the weight of one of our amplifiers. The slats on my earlier ones are about 1" wide with maybe 1/2" gaps in between. The slats on the sturdier ones are 3" wide, and there are three slats. Mine have item # 811302, but I don't find that on the web now. I paid about $29 each, I think.
73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 13:11 To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line The shoe rack is a brilliant idea! Hmm, I’m getting cat food on the way home, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond is next to PetSmart… I have a lot of those steel racks in the garage for general storage. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:06 PM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Very nice, John! > > I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're > sturdy enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... > > https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Sho > e+Rack > &FORM=IDINTS > > I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John Nogatch > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 > Cc: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > >>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and >>> save > some desk space. ... >>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of > them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf > space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. > > To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 > into this presentation: > > https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf > > -John AC6SL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
What did you use for shelf liners? Were the lines also ordered from
shelving.com? On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:23 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > Some models are sturdier than others. The newer ones I have are much more > rigid and don't sag (much) with the weight of one of our amplifiers. The > slats on my earlier ones are about 1" wide with maybe 1/2" gaps in between. > The slats on the sturdier ones are 3" wide, and there are three slats. > Mine have item # 811302, but I don't find that on the web now. I paid about > $29 each, I think. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > On Behalf Of Walter Underwood > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 13:11 > To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > > The shoe rack is a brilliant idea! > > Hmm, I’m getting cat food on the way home, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond is > next to PetSmart… > > I have a lot of those steel racks in the garage for general storage. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:06 PM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > Very nice, John! > > > > I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're > > sturdy enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... > > > > https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Sho > > e+Rack > > &FORM=IDINTS > > > > I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. > > > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] > > <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John Nogatch > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 > > Cc: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > > > >>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >>> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > >>> save > > some desk space. ... > >>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > > > Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of > > them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf > > space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. > > > > To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 > > into this presentation: > > > > https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf > > > > -John AC6SL > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > [hidden email] > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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> What did you use for shelf liners? 1/8" hardboard cut to size. There is also "crinkle" rubber shelf lining material that can be used on top of the hardboard if necessary (I didn't need it). > Were the lines also ordered from shelving.com? Home Despot. -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Inspired by the creativity of the previous posts -- pie racks and shoe shelves -- I took the dimensions of my K2 line and KX3 line, with all of their accessories, and went to The Container Store. The possibilities are endless. I spent a good two hours turning their stuff around in my hands and my mind, fitting it in ways no-one at The Container Store likely ever thought of to make compact racks and modular stacks for my Elecraft gear. Truly endless permutations. Made me realize why the old College Entrance Exams had those you-fold-it spatial relationship questions. This was the reason. Someone knew that someday we'd be doing this . . . Ted, KN1CBR (I have no financial interest in The Container Store; but I wish I did. There are stores in 32 states plus D.C.) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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