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John Ragle

Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

P3 Ser. No. 1327 arrived about 8 minutes ago. Several minutes were
needed to cut through the tape on the packing...packing very high
quality...nothing for the elephants, thanks be! About 2 minutes needed
to connect up...had to get my PR6 out of the way, and will cope with its
power feed later.

Ergonomics excellent. Panel controls completely obvious. Display MUCH
better than I had expected from the advertisements...no blockiness, no
jaggies. A quick search on "brightness" in the PDF manual brought up the
display brightness control.

One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on the
K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6, one
or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a pass-through, or
there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both units are
useful.

All in all, I am very pleased with the P3. Thanks to Elecraft for
another winner.

John Ragle -- W1ZI
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W0FK

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

John, build or purchase an RCA Y connector. I use one to power both my PR6 and P3.

73,

Lou, W0FK

John Ragle wrote

One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on the
K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6, one
or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a pass-through, or
there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both units are
useful.

St. Louis, MO

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that
genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

Fred Townsend

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

But Lou a dual RCA jack costs about the same as a single jack. Besides it's
the K Line now and what better way to push a line than multiple plugins?
de Fred, AE6QL

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John, build or purchase an RCA Y connector. I use one to power both my PR6
and P3.

73,

Lou, W0FK

John Ragle wrote:
>
>
> One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on the
> K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6, one
> or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a pass-through, or
> there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both units are
> useful.
>
>

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David Gilbert

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

I'm having a difficult time believing you guys think that should be a
serious consideration.

Besides, from a purely theoretical point of view, daisy chain power
connections are not the smartest configuration in the first place.

Dave AB7E

On 5/2/2011 9:47 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> But Lou a dual RCA jack costs about the same as a single jack. Besides it's
> the K Line now and what better way to push a line than multiple plugins?
> de Fred, AE6QL

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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W0FK
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
>
> John, build or purchase an RCA Y connector. I use one to power both my PR6
> and P3.
>
> 73,
>
> Lou, W0FK
>
>
> John Ragle wrote:
>>
>> One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on the
>> K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6, one
>> or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a pass-through, or
>> there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both units are
>> useful.
>>
>>
>
> -----
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Fred Townsend

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

I do think it's a serious consideration. First, it seems easy to do. Second
the K line has one of the most intelligent powering schemes I have seen. You
can power on from one switch or each individual unit. As for daisy
chaining... I wouldn't. Just put a dual RCA on the K3. Since they are used
for stereo, dual jacks are cheap and abundant.
Fred

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

I'm having a difficult time believing you guys think that should be a
serious consideration.

Besides, from a purely theoretical point of view, daisy chain power
connections are not the smartest configuration in the first place.

Dave AB7E

On 5/2/2011 9:47 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> But Lou a dual RCA jack costs about the same as a single jack. Besides
> it's the K Line now and what better way to push a line than multiple
plugins?
> de Fred, AE6QL

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W0FK
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:30 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
>
> John, build or purchase an RCA Y connector. I use one to power both my
> PR6 and P3.
>
> 73,
>
> Lou, W0FK
>
>
> John Ragle wrote:
>>
>> One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on
>> the
>> K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6,
>> one or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a pass-through,
>> or there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both units
>> are useful.
>>
>>
>
> -----
> St. Louis, MO
> K3 #2513, P3 #620
> --
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Gary Gregory

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

I can't believe this is even being discussed.

Gary

On 3 May 2011 18:43, Fred Townsend <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I do think it's a serious consideration. First, it seems easy to do. Second
> the K line has one of the most intelligent powering schemes I have seen.
> You
> can power on from one switch or each individual unit. As for daisy
> chaining... I wouldn't. Just put a dual RCA on the K3. Since they are used
> for stereo, dual jacks are cheap and abundant.
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:03 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
>
>
> I'm having a difficult time believing you guys think that should be a
> serious consideration.
>
> Besides, from a purely theoretical point of view, daisy chain power
> connections are not the smartest configuration in the first place.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 9:47 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> > But Lou a dual RCA jack costs about the same as a single jack. Besides
> > it's the K Line now and what better way to push a line than multiple
> plugins?
> > de Fred, AE6QL
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W0FK
> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:30 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
> >
> > John, build or purchase an RCA Y connector. I use one to power both my
> > PR6 and P3.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Lou, W0FK
> >
> >
> > John Ragle wrote:
> >>
> >> One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on
> >> the
> >> K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6,
> >> one or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a pass-through,
> >> or there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both units
> >> are useful.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > -----
> > St. Louis, MO
> > K3 #2513, P3 #620
> > --
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ac0h

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

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Define "easy".

Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?

On Tue, 3 May 2011 01:43:09 -0700
"Fred Townsend" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I do think it's a serious consideration. First, it seems easy to do.
> Second the K line has one of the most intelligent powering schemes I
> have seen. You can power on from one switch or each individual unit.
> As for daisy chaining... I wouldn't. Just put a dual RCA on the K3.
> Since they are used for stereo, dual jacks are cheap and abundant.
> Fred

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

> Define "easy".
>
> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
>

Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on the
re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.

But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my self
too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on from one
switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6
and a P3 just about max it out.
For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and
off with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC output
jack and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots of
devices can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most
sensible solution IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt output.

A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
>
>> Define "easy".
>>
>> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
>> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
>>
> Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on the
> re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
>
> But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my self
> too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on from one
> switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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David Pratt

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

It's easy for such as you and me, Don, but judging by some of the
comments on here many radio amateurs of today couldn't even change a
power plug ;-(

73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> writes
>A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
>connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.
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Nr4c

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

In reply to this post by Fred Townsend

From the owner's manual for the K3, the DC power output is rated at
0.5A max. The P3 max draw is, you guessed it, 0.5 A max. this doesn't
leave a lot of overhead for 'all' the other things you want to power
with it.

...bill nr4c

On Tue, 3 May 2011 01:43:09 -0700, Fred Townsend wrote:

> I do think it's a serious consideration. First, it seems easy to do.
> Second
> the K line has one of the most intelligent powering schemes I have
> seen. You
> can power on from one switch or each individual unit. As for daisy
> chaining... I wouldn't. Just put a dual RCA on the K3. Since they are
> used
> for stereo, dual jacks are cheap and abundant.
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Gilbert
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:03 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
>
>
> I'm having a difficult time believing you guys think that should be a
> serious consideration.
>
> Besides, from a purely theoretical point of view, daisy chain power
> connections are not the smartest configuration in the first place.
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2011 9:47 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:
>> But Lou a dual RCA jack costs about the same as a single jack.
>> Besides
>> it's the K Line now and what better way to push a line than multiple
> plugins?
>> de Fred, AE6QL
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W0FK
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:30 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
>>
>> John, build or purchase an RCA Y connector. I use one to power both
>> my
>> PR6 and P3.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Lou, W0FK
>>
>>
>> John Ragle wrote:
>>>
>>> One complaint in this paean of praise -- since the 13.5 VDC out on
>>> the
>>> K3 back panel will simultaneously support both the P3 and the PR6,
>>> one or the other of those RCA plugs should have been a
>>> pass-through,
>>> or there should have been a pass-through on the P3, since both
>>> units
>>> are useful.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -----
>> St. Louis, MO
>> K3 #2513, P3 #620
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>>
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Pleased-P3-No-1327-tp6325434p6325
>> 971.ht
>> ml
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Fred Townsend

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

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I would disagree on being the 'most reasonable' [fix]. However I do think
the relay solution is a good one if you are planning on plugging the 12 V
coffee pot in.

I think this issue is the classic glass half empty or half full. There are
really two issues:
1) A field Fix
2) A wish list for feature products

As for #1 the Radio Shack solution is a good but one should apply the
appropriate Murphy law that being the probability that the Radio Shack
appliance will be forgotten on any field day is directly proportional to the
distance to the nearest Radio Shack. If FD is held at RS then the appliance
will be remembered. If FD is held in the Yukon Territories the probability
the appliance will be forgotten is 99.9%. Ask any FD chairman!

As for #2 yes it will require a change to the PCB, the sheet metal, two
manuals, BOM, and possibly the fuse rating. I still think it's easy to do.
To do being on the next clean up run of the PCB. Easy does not mean
insignificant.

de Fred, AE6QL

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6 and a
P3 just about max it out.
For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and off
with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC output jack
and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots of devices
can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most sensible solution
IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt output.

A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
>
>> Define "easy".
>>
>> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
>> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
>>
> Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on
> the re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
>
> But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my
> self too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on
> from one switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

That seems a bit bizarre to me. The K3 has speced the DC output at
0.5 Amps. Now some users want to draw 0.6 amps from that output, and it
seems to me that "this is a fault of the K3" - that is nonsense.

As a parallel, many household AC receptacles are rated (and enforced by
the circuit breakers) at 15 amperes. Now, we want to draw 20 amperes
from that receptacle - who is to blame when the circuit breaker trips -
the electrician or the user. I think the answer is obvious even to the
casual observer.

Use the 12 volt DC output from the K3 within its specifications and no
harm will come. If you want more than it provides, use some different
scheme, blaming the K3 design because it is not what you desire is just
not responsible IMHO, and asking for changes in that aspect of the K3 is
just not reasonable. Changing the sheet metal of the K3 and the fuse
and the board layout just to satisfy a few is cost prohibitive for the
benefit gained. Why should Elecraft need to provide for more DC current
output than is required by Elecraft provided accessories (the P3 and the
PR6).

Work with what you have - even if it involves adding a relay to power
your chosen accessories.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/3/2011 9:41 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:

John Ragle

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

In reply to this post by Fred Townsend

Interesting how my original comment specifically about powering the PR6
and the P3 generated such a wide spectrum of (dare I say irrelevant?)
responses!

First, I agree that an RCA "y" is a reasonable fix. I don't happen to
have a RS store close by, and to order a "y" seems unreasonable, at
least until I have some other items to add...I can get along without the
PR6 until then...when 6 is open, attenuators are more in demand than
preamps...in the day-long opening on 4/27 I ran almost all day with the
attenuator "in."

Second, I don't plan to plug in the coffee pot or an electric blanket,
just the PAR6 and P3. I do not like the idea of adding yet another
little box to the collection I already have, to accommodate a 12 volt
relay and jacks. If I wanted to do this, I would just connect the PR6 to
the K3's power supply directly, as it is usually "on" when the K3 is on.

Third, it might be just as easy to drill a hole and mount another RCA
(or whatever) jack. The reason to NOT do this turns on whether Elecraft
would touch one of their units that has been "violated." I recently had
a very negative interaction with TenTec who refused to repair one of
their boxes because it had an extra power outlet installed in the back
apron..."custom modification, yatadda yatadda..."

I have nothing against coffee pots.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=====

On 5/3/2011 9:41 PM, Fred Townsend wrote:

> I would disagree on being the 'most reasonable' [fix]. However I do think
> the relay solution is a good one if you are planning on plugging the 12 V
> coffee pot in.
>
> I think this issue is the classic glass half empty or half full. There are
> really two issues:
> 1) A field Fix
> 2) A wish list for feature products
>
> As for #1 the Radio Shack solution is a good but one should apply the
> appropriate Murphy law that being the probability that the Radio Shack
> appliance will be forgotten on any field day is directly proportional to the
> distance to the nearest Radio Shack. If FD is held at RS then the appliance
> will be remembered. If FD is held in the Yukon Territories the probability
> the appliance will be forgotten is 99.9%. Ask any FD chairman!
>
> As for #2 yes it will require a change to the PCB, the sheet metal, two
> manuals, BOM, and possibly the fuse rating. I still think it's easy to do.
> To do being on the next clean up run of the PCB. Easy does not mean
> insignificant.
>
> de Fred, AE6QL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pleased...P3 No. 1327...
>
> The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6 and a
> P3 just about max it out.
> For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and off
> with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC output jack
> and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots of devices
> can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most sensible solution
> IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt output.
>
> A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
> connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
>>
>>> Define "easy".
>>>
>>> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
>>> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
>>>
>> Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on
>> the re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
>>
>> But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my
>> self too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on
>> from one switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be connected
to the K3 switched 12V output. Sounds like an opportunity: Someone on
the list should market one. Or at least design one and write a QST
article.

Al N1AL

On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 10:01 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6
> and a P3 just about max it out.
> For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and
> off with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC output
> jack and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots of
> devices can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most
> sensible solution IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt output.
>
> A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
> connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> > On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
> >
> >> Define "easy".
> >>
> >> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
> >> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
> >>
> > Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on the
> > re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
> >
> > But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my self
> > too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on from one
> > switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

> I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
> distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be
> connected to the K3 switched 12V output.

It's actually a piece of cake. If power for the control relay came
from the external supply and not the the K3 and the relay coil was
controlled by an transistor or FET, one could control the strip with:

1) +12V from the K3
2) +13.8V from most Yaesu rigs (+13.8V RCA or "Band Data" jack)
3) +13.8V from the ACC jack on most Icom rigs
4) +5/+8V from the mic jack of most Icom/Kenwood rigs
5) +13.8V from most Ten-Tec rigs
6) +5V from a computer USB port!

I may even have the design for such a beast around someplace.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 5/4/2011 12:54 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:

> I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
> distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be connected
> to the K3 switched 12V output. Sounds like an opportunity: Someone on
> the list should market one. Or at least design one and write a QST
> article.
>
> Al N1AL
>
>
> On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 10:01 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6
>> and a P3 just about max it out.
>> For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and
>> off with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC output
>> jack and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots of
>> devices can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most
>> sensible solution IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt output.
>>
>> A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
>> connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>> On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
>>>
>>>> Define "easy".
>>>>
>>>> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
>>>> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
>>>>
>>> Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on the
>>> re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
>>>
>>> But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my self
>>> too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on from one
>>> switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

Yup, it would be a simple design. For best reliability I think I would
probably use a power MOSFET instead of a relay but either would work.

Al N1AL

On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 01:17 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> > I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
> > distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be
> > connected to the K3 switched 12V output.
>
> It's actually a piece of cake. If power for the control relay came
> from the external supply and not the the K3 and the relay coil was
> controlled by an transistor or FET, one could control the strip with:
>
> 1) +12V from the K3
> 2) +13.8V from most Yaesu rigs (+13.8V RCA or "Band Data" jack)
> 3) +13.8V from the ACC jack on most Icom rigs
> 4) +5/+8V from the mic jack of most Icom/Kenwood rigs
> 5) +13.8V from most Ten-Tec rigs
> 6) +5V from a computer USB port!
>
> I may even have the design for such a beast around someplace.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 5/4/2011 12:54 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
> > distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be connected
> > to the K3 switched 12V output. Sounds like an opportunity: Someone on
> > the list should market one. Or at least design one and write a QST
> > article.
> >
> > Al N1AL
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 10:01 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >> The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6
> >> and a P3 just about max it out.
> >> For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and
> >> off with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC output
> >> jack and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots of
> >> devices can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most
> >> sensible solution IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt output.
> >>
> >> A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
> >> connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >> On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Define "easy".
> >>>>
> >>>> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
> >>>> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
> >>>>
> >>> Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on the
> >>> re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
> >>>
> >>> But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my self
> >>> too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on from one
> >>> switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Gary Gregory

Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

OK Joe,

When do we expect a release and order date?....Grin

Cheap (not cheep) Joe ok?

I would make one but a visiting K3 owner let the smoke out of my soldering
station and dumped it in the bin...:-(

73's

Gary

On 4 May 2011 15:32, Alan Bloom <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yup, it would be a simple design. For best reliability I think I would
> probably use a power MOSFET instead of a relay but either would work.
>
> Al N1AL
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 01:17 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > > I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
> > > distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be
> > > connected to the K3 switched 12V output.
> >
> > It's actually a piece of cake. If power for the control relay came
> > from the external supply and not the the K3 and the relay coil was
> > controlled by an transistor or FET, one could control the strip with:
> >
> > 1) +12V from the K3
> > 2) +13.8V from most Yaesu rigs (+13.8V RCA or "Band Data" jack)
> > 3) +13.8V from the ACC jack on most Icom rigs
> > 4) +5/+8V from the mic jack of most Icom/Kenwood rigs
> > 5) +13.8V from most Ten-Tec rigs
> > 6) +5V from a computer USB port!
> >
> > I may even have the design for such a beast around someplace.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> > On 5/4/2011 12:54 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > > I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
> > > distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be
> connected
> > > to the K3 switched 12V output. Sounds like an opportunity: Someone on
> > > the list should market one. Or at least design one and write a QST
> > > article.
> > >
> > > Al N1AL
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2011-05-03 at 10:01 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > >> The current available from the K3 DC output jack is limited. A PR6
> > >> and a P3 just about max it out.
> > >> For those who want to turn multiple 12 volt powered accessories on and
> > >> off with the K3, drive the coil of a 12 volt relay from the K3 DC
> output
> > >> jack and run the power supply feed through the relay contacts. Lots
> of
> > >> devices can then be turned on/off with the K3. That is the most
> > >> sensible solution IMHO, no worry about overloading the K3 12 volt
> output.
> > >>
> > >> A little enclosure to hold the relay and several RCA jacks or other
> > >> connector of your choice is an easy project to construct.
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >> Don W3FPR
> > >>
> > >> On 5/3/2011 9:52 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> > >>> On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Define "easy".
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Run down to Radios Shack a purchase an RCA 1 to 2 port cable or have
> > >>>> Elecraft re-engineer/re-design the radio?
> > >>>>
> > >>> Actually, given what I have seen out of Wayne and Eric, my bet is on
> the
> > >>> re-engineer/re-design of the radio as being easier.
> > >>>
> > >>> But, I am not suggesting they do that. As for me, I don't concern my
> self
> > >>> too much with how things are plugged in. And, turning stuff on from
> one
> > >>> switch is not that big of a thing to me.
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Re: Pleased...P3 No. 1327...

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>From the mobile

On May 4, 2011, at 1:17 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>> I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
>> distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be
>> connected to the K3 switched 12V output.
>
> It's actually a piece of cake. If power for the control relay came
> from

Actually mfi has avstrip that has a
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On May 4, 2011, at 1:17 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>> I'm surprised that RIGrunner or MFJ or somebody doesn't make a 12V
>> distribution system with a remote on/off control that could be
>> connected to the K3 switched 12V output.
>
> It's actually a piece of cake. If power for the control relay came
>

Actually rig runner does have a strip with one of the outputs monitored for current,,,,I ha ve one in the car, and turn on one radio which triggers the rest of the outlets...one could just switch a small relay with a small load on the k3 dc out...that would fire off the rig runner.

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