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Ken Arck

Prioritizing CAT control?

I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over
the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set
as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been
defined as #8).

Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not
#8 as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on
frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to
select which xvtr is set?

Ken
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Prioritizing CAT control?

Ken,

I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I don't
have enough information to know what you mean.

Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu
functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the proper
transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are set
correctly for each transverter.

What I am saying is that even though you may call the external
transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the
transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must be
set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote:

> I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over
> the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set
> as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been
> defined as #8).
>
> Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8
> as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on
> frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to
> select which xvtr is set?
>

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Ken Arck

Re: Prioritizing CAT control?

Hi Don

What I mean is that I've been using an external DEMI transverter set
up as Trn 8 for some time now. for 2 meter EME work. I added the
internal K144XV over the weekend and set it up as Int Trn 1 but still
want to be able to use the DEMI. No problem as I can select each
properly by the BAND button but if I try to set a 2 meter freq by
CAT, no matter what band the radio is currently on, it selects Trn 1
and not Trn 8 as it did before.

I don't use the ADR info at all, at least not externally

Ken

At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm wrote:

>Ken,
>
>I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I
>don't have enough information to know what you mean.
>
>Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu
>functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the
>proper transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are
>set correctly for each transverter.
>
>What I am saying is that even though you may call the external
>transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the
>transverter - note that the band selection (address) information
>must be set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote:
>>I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and
>>over the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal
>>is set as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always
>>been defined as #8).
>>
>>Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not
>>#8 as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on
>>frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG
>>to select which xvtr is set?

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Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
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AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Prioritizing CAT control?

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Ken,

If there is no TRN addressing in the DEMI transverter, then it will not
respond to the addressing being sent over the K3 AUXBUS.
You may have to do some decoding of the BAND SELECT lines in the K3 ACC
connector.

Actually, I think your problem is in the CAT control program - it
apparently cannot distinguish between the 144MHz band for the internal
transverter and the external transverter. Perhaps a macro in your CAT
control application would resolve it - go the 144MHz band and then do
however many BAND+ operations it takes to move to the external transverter.

Perhaps someone who uses DEMI transverters can suggest a better way to
distinguish between the two of them.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2016 11:58 AM, Ken Arck wrote:

> Hi Don
>
> What I mean is that I've been using an external DEMI transverter set
> up as Trn 8 for some time now. for 2 meter EME work. I added the
> internal K144XV over the weekend and set it up as Int Trn 1 but still
> want to be able to use the DEMI. No problem as I can select each
> properly by the BAND button but if I try to set a 2 meter freq by CAT,
> no matter what band the radio is currently on, it selects Trn 1 and
> not Trn 8 as it did before.
>
> I don't use the ADR info at all, at least not externally
>
> Ken
>
>
> At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I
>> don't have enough information to know what you mean.
>>
>> Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu
>> functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the
>> proper transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are
>> set correctly for each transverter.
>>
>> What I am saying is that even though you may call the external
>> transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the
>> transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must
>> be set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote:
>>> I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and
>>> over the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal
>>> is set as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always
>>> been defined as #8).
>>>
>>> Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not
>>> #8 as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on
>>> frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to
>>> select which xvtr is set?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> President and CTO - Arcom Communications
> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
> http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
> we offer complete repeater packages!
> AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
> http://www.irlp.net
> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
>
>

Ken Arck

Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Prioritizing CAT control?

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Hi Don

What I mean by #1 and #8 is that from what I gather by reading the
Manual, the K3S supports 8 different external transverters and the
internal one. The externals can be assigned Band 1 through 9 while
the internal can be defined as Band 0 through 9. As I read it, the
ADR settings have to do with outputing a logic signal to select which
external xvtr is selected. Again as I read it, this has nothing to do
with CAT commands coming from an external computer (in my case,
either WSJT or MAP65.

Ken

At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm [hidden email] [Elecraft_K3] wrote:

>Ken,
>
>I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I don't
>have enough information to know what you mean.
>
>Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu
>functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the proper
>transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are set
>correctly for each transverter.
>
>What I am saying is that even though you may call the external
>transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the
>transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must be
>set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote:
> > I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over
> > the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set
> > as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been
> > defined as #8).
> >
> > Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8
> > as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on
> > frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to
> > select which xvtr is set?
> >
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft_K3] Re: Prioritizing CAT control?

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Ken,

The numerical assignment of the transverter - the "n" in "XVn" - will
produce a corresponding output on the K3 Band Data lines. Note that the
setting of the menu CONFIG:KIO3 can change the behavior of the band data
lines.

The XVn ADR has to do with the data sent on the AUXBUS and is used to
select the Elecraft XV series transverters.

A CAT command to move the K3 to a transverter band is done by sending
the frequency. Note that in your case, you have a conflict caused by
having two transverters for the same band.

It may be that the only way around your problem is to assign the XV8 RF
menu parameter to something other than 144MHz, and when you want to use
TRN8 via CAT command you will have to tell the K3 to go to that band
rather than 144MHz.
If it were mine, I would first try setting XV8 RF to 244MHz. If it
works, you will just have to remember that the high order "1" should be
subtracted from the displayed frequency. In other words telling your
application sending the CAT frequency data to go to 244100kHz may land
you on your external transverter and should not produce a conflict.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2016 2:15 PM, Ken Arck wrote:

> Hi Don
>
> What I mean by #1 and #8 is that from what I gather by reading the
> Manual, the K3S supports 8 different external transverters and the
> internal one. The externals can be assigned Band 1 through 9 while the
> internal can be defined as Band 0 through 9. As I read it, the ADR
> settings have to do with outputing a logic signal to select which
> external xvtr is selected. Again as I read it, this has nothing to do
> with CAT commands coming from an external computer (in my case, either
> WSJT or MAP65.
>
> Ken
>
>
> At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm [hidden email]
> [Elecraft_K3] wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I don't
>> have enough information to know what you mean.
>>
>> Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu
>> functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the proper
>> transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are set
>> correctly for each transverter.
>>
>> What I am saying is that even though you may call the external
>> transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the
>> transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must be
>> set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote:
>> > I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over
>> > the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set
>> > as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been
>> > defined as #8).
>> >
>> > Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8
>> > as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on
>> > frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to
>> > select which xvtr is set?
>> >
>>
>>
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