Problem Firmware and K3
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Hello FM,
I did a hard reset: push shift and power on. After I was successful to upload the K3 firmware now, the dsp1 loaded up. But have following problems. Strange noise when I start up the K3. On bands 24/28/50 I have error PL1 The Main and Config menu are not the same as described in the manual. Several options that are installed are not activated like my XV144, general RX, etc.... What will I find next ? I think I need a configuration file, didn't save mine ;(( Info to solve the problem is welcome Best 73 - Rudi - ON7CL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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After parameter initialization you will need to perform the configuration
steps starting on page 46 and calibration steps starting on page 49 of the Owner's manual and review the menu entries starting on page 52 to enable options (such as your K144XV). Also consult the installation manuals for the options you have installed (KBPF3, etc) for their enable procedure. Often it's obvious how to enable "optional modules" from the list of K3 menu entries described on page 52. You'll need to know what crystal filters you have physically installed in each slot and the offsets of any 5-pole filters. This is the sort of information that might have been restored if you had a saved configuration file. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rudi Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:59 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Problem Firmware and K3 Hello FM, I did a hard reset: push shift and power on. After I was successful to upload the K3 firmware now, the dsp1 loaded up. But have following problems. Strange noise when I start up the K3. On bands 24/28/50 I have error PL1 The Main and Config menu are not the same as described in the manual. Several options that are installed are not activated like my XV144, general RX, etc.... What will I find next ? I think I need a configuration file, didn't save mine ;(( Info to solve the problem is welcome Best 73 - Rudi - ON7CL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Reading about the problems involving upgrading the firmware, resets,
calibrations, etc. - makes me think that I won't be "upgrading" here. My K3 is running just fine - so why would I want to mess with it? Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I've done 15-20 hardware upgrades to my K3 and several friends K3's and have never had a problem. Being familiar with the existing configuration and documentation, and following instructions carefully has worked fine for me.
73, Randy, KS4L On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Bill Clarke <[hidden email]> wrote: > Reading about the problems involving upgrading the firmware, resets, calibrations, etc. - makes me think that I won't be "upgrading" here. My K3 is running just fine - so why would I want to mess with it? > > Bill W2BLC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have extensive notes on every setting I have ever tried/tried and kept
on the K3. The information is at hand - if needed. I also have real serial ports on my computer - an inexpensive sure-fix elimination of the USB converter problem. That said, with all the problems I see here - it does not encourage me to upgrade the firmware. I wonder what percentage of K3 owners do firmware upgrades with no problem - compared to those having difficulties. Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Bill and all,
I have done many firmware upgrades to my K3 as a firmware field tester than have many other users. I only once had a problem because I interrupted the process - so that was my fault. Following the instructions (in both the manual and K3 Utility help file) to force a firmware download provided quick and easy relief. No need for an EEINIT. Yes, if you choose to do an EEINIT, know that you will have to set all the menu parameters and do the calibration steps again. If you have saved a configuration file, that is a snap to accomplish, just use K3 Utility to restore that configuration. If you do not have a saved configuration file, then the process is manual and laborious. Bottom line - save a configuration. You might want to do that after each firmware upgrade. In most cases, that is a "just in case" file (like a backup of your computer files), and will never be used. Keep your K3 firmware up to date. 99.9% of the time there will be no complications. It is only the remaining few that we hear about on this reflector. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2012 7:39 AM, Bill Clarke wrote: > Reading about the problems involving upgrading the firmware, resets, > calibrations, etc. - makes me think that I won't be "upgrading" here. > My K3 is running just fine - so why would I want to mess with it? > > Bill W2BLC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Like most things, there is a learning curve at work. The first time one
tries to upgrade, he might pick the wrong version, or inadvertently interrupt the process, or a myriad other goofs. That's why it is important to do a backup before trying that first time. I now think nothing of initiating an upgrade, and have had no (zero) problems for years. I am reminded of my mother-in-law who kept meticulous records of her individual investments after my father-in-law died. She recorded everything in 3 places. Her checkbook was double entry, because that was the way one kept books. However, she had no idea of her annual income, outflow, or net worth. She needed an accountant - an experienced, knowledgeable adviser. Regarding the K3, there is an abundance of such knowledge here that can be trusted. Monty K2DLJ K3 #699 I have extensive notes on every setting I have ever tried/tried and kept on the K3. The information is at hand - if needed. I also have real serial ports on my computer - an inexpensive sure-fix elimination of the USB converter problem. That said, with all the problems I see here - it does not encourage me to upgrade the firmware.After upgrading once or twice, the routine becomes very easy. I wonder what percentage of K3 owners do firmware upgrades with no problem - compared to those having difficulties. Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Bill,
I think there's over 7000 K3s out there. There's really only a handful of folks writing in about firmware load problems but then there are dozens of replies and meanderings from that one posting. This makes the situation look worse than it is. Good sense is required as with everything else. The need for a EEINIT is probably never required if the recovery steps followed in the K3 Utility Help File are followed. Cancellation of downloads mid-process always causes difficulties. Using laptops on battery only has been stated as problematic. Not having a configuration backup has been stressed. So with this information available there should be no reason to shy away from future downloads. 73, Mike K2MK
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Never had a problem. Real RS232 port on the PC, however, my early KUSB
(Prolific) also works perfectly on my Win7/64 system. I now normally sit back for a couple of days to let the eager beavers discover the warts that the field testers miss, often within about 30 minutes! Done my share of roll back on firmware. Regards, Mike VP8NO > Bill Clarke wrote >> Reading about the problems involving upgrading the firmware, resets, >> calibrations, etc. - makes me think that I won't be "upgrading" here. My >> K3 is running just fine - so why would I want to mess with it? >> >> Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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You only hear of the failures here, thats what the forum is about. If
you think of the thousands of K3 and the many upgrades that have been done on each the failures posted here are a small fraction of a percentage compared to the successfull upgrades. Those that have problems get it going based on advice here or from the great support from Elecraft. I too use a "real" serial port and have never had issues. I only have the K3 conected when upgrading and turn off any virtual serial port emulatiors before an upgrade/downgrade. that said if you are using a USB to serial and it is working fine with the K3 for normal use I am sure it will be fine. As a caution I don't do it the day of a contest or when I plan to play marathon DX. If you Brick the K3 you can reset it and try again then restore the configuration that you backed up before the upgrade. I have never had to do that. If you have a failure post here and the answer to your woes will be most often answered in quick time. in other words don't worry about doing upgrades. They will work fine as long as you take the appropriate precautions Dave VE3DVY On 12/26/2012 8:17 AM, Bill Clarke wrote: > I have extensive notes on every setting I have ever tried/tried and > kept on the K3. The information is at hand - if needed. I also have > real serial ports on my computer - an inexpensive sure-fix elimination > of the USB converter problem. That said, with all the problems I see > here - it does not encourage me to upgrade the firmware. > > I wonder what percentage of K3 owners do firmware upgrades with no > problem - compared to those having difficulties. > > Bill W2BLC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I save a configuration reset point just /before/ loading new firmware since, despite writing changes to the last reset point in my notebook, I always manage to forget one or two. Admittedly, this results in 2 classes of reset points on the computer, "before" and "after". My K3 is s/n 642. Early on, I applied all FW updates. Now, I read the Release Notes first and apply those that do something that affects me. Hence, I don't have that many reset points to manage.
Happy New Year to all, Fred K6DGW TXT in Sparks NV (Test msg from my new Kindle Fire ND) Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: >Bill and all, > >I have done many firmware upgrades to my K3 as a firmware field tester >than have many other users. I only once had a problem because I >interrupted the process - so that was my fault. Following the >instructions (in both the manual and K3 Utility help file) to force a >firmware download provided quick and easy relief. No need for an EEINIT. > >Yes, if you choose to do an EEINIT, know that you will have to set all >the menu parameters and do the calibration steps again. If you have >saved a configuration file, that is a snap to accomplish, just use K3 >Utility to restore that configuration. If you do not have a saved >configuration file, then the process is manual and laborious. > >Bottom line - save a configuration. You might want to do that after >each firmware upgrade. In most cases, that is a "just in case" file >(like a backup of your computer files), and will never be used. > >Keep your K3 firmware up to date. 99.9% of the time there will be no >complications. It is only the remaining few that we hear about on this >reflector. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 12/26/2012 7:39 AM, Bill Clarke wrote: >> Reading about the problems involving upgrading the firmware, resets, >> calibrations, etc. - makes me think that I won't be "upgrading" here. >> My K3 is running just fine - so why would I want to mess with it? >> >> Bill W2BLC >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have done almost every update to my Elecraft equipment; usually within a couple of days after the beta release. I have never had a pronlem with the update nor ever rolled back!
I use a generic Prolific USB serial interface through my P3 (except early in the P3's life). I have never had an issue updating SN#2412! 73 Happy New Year George AI4VZ Mike K2MK <[hidden email]> wrote: >Hi Bill, > >I think there's over 7000 K3s out there. There's really only a handful of >folks writing in about firmware load problems but then there are dozens of >replies and meanderings from that one posting. This makes the situation look >worse than it is. > >Good sense is required as with everything else. The need for a EEINIT is >probably never required if the recovery steps followed in the K3 Utility >Help File are followed. Cancellation of downloads mid-process always causes >difficulties. Using laptops on battery only has been stated as problematic. >Not having a configuration backup has been stressed. So with this >information available there should be no reason to shy away from future >downloads. > >73, >Mike K2MK > > >Bill Clarke wrote >> Reading about the problems involving upgrading the firmware, resets, >> calibrations, etc. - makes me think that I won't be "upgrading" here. My >> K3 is running just fine - so why would I want to mess with it? >> >> Bill W2BLC > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Problem-Firmware-and-K3-tp7567693p7567703.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I've done dozens of beta firmware updates and never had a problem. My K3 is over 4 years old (s/n 1417). I've also never had a problem loading firmware onto the P3, KPA3 or KX3. I've used Windows XP Pro, Win 7 Pro, prolific chipsets, fltd chipsets and some unknown chipset in the Triplite/Keyspan USB/Serial adapter I have now. Firmware loading problems are the exception, not the rule. Rob NV5E ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:17:02 -0500 > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Problem Firmware and K3 > > I have extensive notes on every setting I have ever tried/tried and kept > on the K3. The information is at hand - if needed. I also have real > serial ports on my computer - an inexpensive sure-fix elimination of the > USB converter problem. That said, with all the problems I see here - it > does not encourage me to upgrade the firmware. > > I wonder what percentage of K3 owners do firmware upgrades with no > problem - compared to those having difficulties. > > Bill W2BLC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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