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EUGENE GABRY

Re: QSLs

I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
community as well.

Gene, N9TF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
To: Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs

LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
rare.

73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
> But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when
> one side of the QSO was during his noon time

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Jorge Diez - CX6VM-2

Re: QSLs

That's what I mean Gene

Or maybe this situation, I run a remote station in Japan, worked P5 at 14 utc but called him as cx6vm and not JA/ cx6vm

That will match on LOTW but LOTW don't know that is impossible a DX on 160 mts at 14 utc

73,
Jorge

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> El 26 jul. 2016, a las 09:45, Gene Gabry <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
> I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
> capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
> could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
> Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
> coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
> an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
> hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
> in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
> community as well.
>
> Gene, N9TF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs
>
> LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
> Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
> rare.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>> On Mon,7/25/2016 6:54 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
>> But LOTW don't know about propagation and confirm any match, also when
>> one side of the QSO was during his noon time
>
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Clay Autery

Re: QSLs

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I use KB3IFH at http://kb3ifh.homestead.com/ . I have made two
different orders of full color, heavy gloss stock, printed both sides
from him. Fair price and fast turn-around.

Here's the product I bought:

"PREMIUM QSL Cards (14pt Gloss Front (UV Coating) / Color Back"
http://kb3ifh.homestead.com/portfolio.html#anchor_56

Please tell him KY5G sent you.... I don't "get" anything from the
referral. Just want him to know that I am, in fact, sending him "Word
of Mouth" business. :)
Beautiful cards. 100% Custom. I get compliments on them all the time.

73,

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On 7/26/2016 2:37 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> I still do QSL cards but only if requested for a contact on HF. On 6m
> I QSL 100% of initial contacts. On 2m and up I QSL eme initial
> contacts 100%.
>
> If you want to work Alaska on 2m-eme then you have to work me. I'm
> the only station that is regularly active.
> http://www.kl7uw.com/QSL_2mEME_2011.jpg
>
> One other station has the ability to set up his 30-foot dish on 2m but
> rarely does. His eme interest is 432 and up.
>
> So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer on
> card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for someone
> that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info? Might like to
> upgrade the quality of my QSL's. I have different cards for 600m, 6m,
> 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw. I use the 6m card for any HF
> requests.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
> "Kits made by KL7UW"
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EricJ-2

Re: QSLs

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On 7/26/2016 5:45 AM, Gene Gabry wrote:

> I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
> capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
> could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
> Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
> coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
> an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
> hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
> in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
> community as well.
>
> Gene, N9TF
>

Bill Frantz

Re: QSLs

In reply to this post by Edward R Cole

For very short run QSLs, I make up a card in a photo editing
program and print it as a 4x6 print. I cut that down to 3.5" x
5.5" for a standard QSL size. I put all the QSO information on
the front and leave the back as it comes from the photo shop.

For the 80-100 cards I need to print for the special event
station that just finished, it has been suggested that I get a
copy shop (Kinko's/FedEx etc.) to print them 4 up on glossy
stock with anything I want on the back. For larger numbers, the
various QSL printers are probably the way to go.

As for sending QSLs, I upload all my contacts to LotW (including
net control contacts for the Elecraft SSB net). If I want a card
from you, I will send you one with a SASE/SAE w/green stamps. If
you want a card from me, send a request via email or postal
mail. Since Santa Clara county isn't a rare one, I can afford
the postage for the people who want my card.

I will add, I still don't know the procedure to apply paper QSLs
to DXCC. I got mine entirely with LotW.

73 Bill AE6JV (and QSL manager for N7C)

On 7/25/16 at 12:37 AM, [hidden email] (Edward R Cole) wrote:

>So while on the topic of cards (I print my own with my computer
>on card stock), I'm wondering if there is recommendations for
>someone that sells photo QSL's with custom printed info? Might
>like to upgrade the quality of my QSL's. I have different
>cards for 600m, 6m, 2m, and mw-eme plus terrestrial mw. I use
>the 6m card for any HF requests.

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: QSLs

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Guys - This is a little too OT. Let's close the thread and take this off-list.

73,

Eric
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On 7/25/2016 6:41 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,7/25/2016 6:12 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>>
>> "Sorry, but some folks aren't ethical. :) " We're supposed to avoid politics
>> here.
>
> Why is that political? Are you unaware of the widespread cheating in some
> contests?

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k6dgw

Re: QSLs

In reply to this post by Jorge Diez - CX6VM-2

You're right Jorge, it is a real problem when using on-line systems such
as eQSL and LoTW as well as for contest log checking. The reverse
situation occurs often too. You sign JA/CX6VM but I log it as CX6VM.
If someone signs K6XXX/7, do I log it as received or as K6XXX. All
depends on how he will submit it, and that depends on why he thought it
necessary to send /7. It gets even more complicated between the US and
Canada:

In every case except Canada, the US rules tell a visiting amateur to
sign the <US_call_area>/<home_call_sign>. Thus in the last CWT, I
worked W5/MM0LID. However Canadian hams are to sign their
<home_call>/<US_call_area>. I have no idea why, but if I were operating
in British Columbia, I'd be K6DGW/VE7. How much of that would get
logged is sort of up in the air.

Ignoring the costs for a moment, that is an advantage of hard copy QSL
cards ... you can annotate them with special circumstances, such as
remote operation, which is occurring more frequently these days.

Costs tend to follow the world economy. In the mid-50's, I could mail a
domestic card for $0.03 but of course, $0.05 would also buy me an ice
cream cone or a candy bar, and it cost $0.15 to ride the
bus/streetcar/urban train down to the FCC office in downtown Los
Angeles. Most ice cream cones now are in the general range of #3.00 for
one scoop. :-)

I will respond to Bureau QSL cards that say "Pse QSL." If someone sends
me a card direct, I always respond. I operate W7RN remote, and
sometimes on-site. Tom has a vast-ish array of "real" QSL cards under
the glass on desks at the opr positions. Fun to read.

73,

Fred K6DGW(/7?)
Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016
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On 7/26/2016 6:17 AM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
> That's what I mean Gene
>
> Or maybe this situation, I run a remote station in Japan, worked P5
> at 14 utc but called him as cx6vm and not JA/ cx6vm
>
> That will match on LOTW but LOTW don't know that is impossible a DX
> on 160 mts at 14 utc
>
> 73, Jorge

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: QSLs

On 7/26/2016 7:46 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> In every case except Canada, the US rules tell a visiting amateur to
> sign the <US_call_area>/<home_call_sign>. Thus in the last CWT, I
> worked W5/MM0LID. However Canadian hams are to sign their
> <home_call>/<US_call_area>. I have no idea why, but if I were
> operating in British Columbia, I'd be K6DGW/VE7.

The formats are specified by the respective international treaties.

For Canadian amateurs the format is specified by the "Convention
Between the United States and Canada (TIAS No. 2508) Relating to the
Operation by Citizens of Either Country of Certain Radio Equipment or
Stations in the Other Country" (§97.107 (a)(1)).

For amateurs from countries covered by CEPT (§97.5 (d)) or IARP
(§97.5 (e)) the format is specified by those conventions.

As to why the two formats are different ... the Canada/US Convention
preceded CEPT (Europe) and IARP (The Americas) by more than a decade
... the Europeans chose to do things their own way <G> and the majority
of IARP decided to emulate Europe rather than the US/Canada.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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Re: QSLs

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Guys, thread was closed earlier. Please take it off list.

73,

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> On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hams are people. Some people are dishonest.
>
> However, to judge whether a contact is honest or not cannot be made on the
> basis of what we think we know about propagation.
>
> Remember that Hams in the USA were given the use of frequencies of 200
> meters and down based on the "scientific" knowledge that any wavelength less
> than 200 meter was totally useless for communications beyond a mile or two.
> 200 meters is about 1500 kHz. They were saying that any frequency higher
> than 1500 kHz was useless for long-distance communications: All of the HF
> ham bands were useless for communications beyond a mile or two or as some
> said (beyond their back yards).
>
> We know that is not true. Further, we are still discovering unexpected
> oddities in propagation. Exploring those oddities is one of the major
> justifications for even having Hams because there are so many of us
> tinkering around with things others are sure will never work.
>
> Sure, a pair of Hams may collude to report a contact. But to assume it was
> not possible is to reject the very basis for why Ham radio exists (at least
> in the USA).
>
> I suggest that such odd reports be places on "suspension" until more are
> received, just as any other experience would be until it is proven
> "repeatable". Only then could it be accepted as "proof" of the first
> occurrence.
>
> Otherwise it is allowed to fade into obscurity along with things like cold
> fusion.
>
> 73 Ron AC7AC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gene
> Gabry
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:45 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs
>
> I think what Jorge might have been inferring is, LOTW doesn't have the same
> capability as a log checker would to make a judgment that a two way contact
> could not have been made on 160m between a station in Chicago at 12 noon
> Chicago time and say Australia. What's to say a couple hams might have
> coordinated together to falsely upload a contact as mentioned to finish off
> an award? The times and frequency and calls match, confirmed contact. Most
> hams would not even think of doing this. But, just as is the human condition
> in life, cheating happens. I'm sure it happens to some % in the ham
> community as well.
>
> Gene, N9TF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QSLs
>
> LOTW runs on GMT (UTC). If you keep your log in UTC, all will be confirmed.
> Except, of course, for a few stations that don't get it right. But that is
> rare.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Edward R Cole

Re: QSLs

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First off, my thanks for all the suggestions from several people.

Here is how I make my QSL's:
1. The photo is opened with Paint (it is found by clicking "START"
then clicking "ALL PROGRAMS" and a dialog window opens which I click
accessories and click Paint.
2. I use text from Paint to add lettering on the image; be sure to
click transparent text else the test window will produce a white
rectangle within which the test is inserted. Word Art is also handy.
3. Once I have the photos with added text set up I save the file.
4. Next I open MSWord and insert the photo, sizing it so four images
fit a 11-1/2 by 8 inch page; select Landscape format for this. You
just insert the image four times resizing to fit after each one is open.
5. I use MSWord to produce the back side text and save it under a
different file name.
6.Then I use a plain sheet of paper to test print the cards; you may
need to move the images on the MSWord document in order to align well
for using 4 segment card stock.
7. One side of the card is printed using the image file; then I open
the text side and print the backside of the cards
8. Take note of how to insert the unprinted card stock so you print
on the blank side and not on the side that was already printed.
9. Separate the individual cards using the perforated lines on the card stock.

Hopefully you have a little art sense for layout of your cards.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
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