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N4ZR

Proposal for change pages for manuals

One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous improvement
that goes on, even years after initial release. Unfortunately, these
improvements are often only documented at release time, and nine years'
worth (in my case) is hard to organize.

Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to be
caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual from
2010, which I inadvertently triggered.

Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which
pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing
"change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new
page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in
sync with the hardware.

It seems to me that this job, while boring, wouldn't be that difficult,
and the benefits to us customers seem obvious.

--

73, Pete N4ZR
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

Pete,

If you download the newest manual, you will have the most up to date
information that is printed in the manual.

Above and beyond that (and equally important), you should pay attention
to the Firmware Release Notes. They are on the website and also
included on the K3 Utility Help Tab.
Those Firmware Release changes also constitute changes/additions to
whatever level manual you have. So if you mark up you manual starting
with each firmware release after the date in the manual, you will have
all the information in the manual.

I don't think it is practical for Elecraft to issue a new manual with
each firmware release.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2019 3:55 PM, N4ZR wrote:

> One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous improvement
> that goes on, even years after initial release. Unfortunately, these
> improvements are often only documented at release time, and nine years'
> worth (in my case) is hard to organize.
>
> Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to be
> caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual from
> 2010, which I inadvertently triggered.
>
> Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which
> pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing
> "change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new
> page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in
> sync with the hardware.
>
> It seems to me that this job, while boring, wouldn't be that difficult,
> and the benefits to us customers seem obvious.

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W2xj

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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With enough money, all things are possible. :-)

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> On May 23, 2019, at 3:55 PM, N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous improvement that goes on, even years after initial release. Unfortunately, these improvements are often only documented at release time, and nine years' worth (in my case) is hard to organize.
>
> Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to be caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual from 2010, which I inadvertently triggered.
>
> Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing "change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in sync with the hardware.
>
> It seems to me that this job, while boring, wouldn't be that difficult, and the benefits to us customers seem obvious.
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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N4ZR

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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Hi Don - I know I can download a fresh manual, and it may yet come to
that. However the manual available online is dated August 24, 2011, and
the Firmware Release Notes available under Help in the K3 Utility go up
to 2013. I'm fairly confident there were more changes after that.

73, Pete N4ZR
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at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
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For spots, please use your favorite
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On 5/23/2019 4:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Pete,
>
> If you download the newest manual, you will have the most up to date
> information that is printed in the manual.
>
> Above and beyond that (and equally important), you should pay
> attention to the Firmware Release Notes. They are on the website and
> also included on the K3 Utility Help Tab.
> Those Firmware Release changes also constitute changes/additions to
> whatever level manual you have. So if you mark up you manual starting
> with each firmware release after the date in the manual, you will have
> all the information in the manual.
>
> I don't think it is practical for Elecraft to issue a new manual with
> each firmware release.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 5/23/2019 3:55 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>> One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous
>> improvement that goes on, even years after initial release.
>> Unfortunately, these improvements are often only documented at
>> release time, and nine years' worth (in my case) is hard to organize.
>>
>> Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to
>> be caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual
>> from 2010, which I inadvertently triggered.
>>
>> Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which
>> pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing
>> "change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new
>> page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in
>> sync with the hardware.
>>
>> It seems to me that this job, while boring, wouldn't be that
>> difficult, and the benefits to us customers seem obvious.
>

Don Wilhelm

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

Pete,

Download the most recent copy of K3 Utility and you should find all the
more recent Firmware Release Notes.
A full listing of the notes can also be found on the Elecraft website.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2019 4:23 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>
> Hi Don - I know I can download a fresh manual, and it may yet come to
> that. However the manual available online is dated August 24, 2011,
> and the Firmware Release Notes available under Help in the K3 Utility
> go up to 2013. I'm fairly confident there were more changes after that.
>
>

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Jim Brown-10

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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On 5/23/2019 1:23 PM, N4ZR wrote:
> Hi Don - I know I can download a fresh manual, and it may yet come to
> that. However the manual available online is dated August 24, 2011,
> and the Firmware Release Notes available under Help in the K3 Utility
> go up to 2013. I'm fairly confident there were more changes after that.

What's needed is the same sort of running changes notes, a collection of
the "changes" info displayed by the K3 Utility when updates are downloaded.

73, Jim K9YC

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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

The file displayed by the K3 Utility is a rich text file downloaded from the file server along with K3with firmware. It’s just a file on your PC, in your firmware folder.

hfwnotes.rtf as I recall.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On May 23, 2019, at 13:48, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2019 1:23 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>> Hi Don - I know I can download a fresh manual, and it may yet come to that. However the manual available online is dated August 24, 2011, and the Firmware Release Notes available under Help in the K3 Utility go up to 2013. I'm fairly confident there were more changes after that.
>
> What's needed is the same sort of running changes notes, a collection of the "changes" info displayed by the K3 Utility when updates are downloaded.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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Jim,

That would be practical only if ALL users downloaded each and every
firmware update as it came along - I am sure it should be relatively
easy to display the latest firmware release notes.
As it is, the release notes are shown in the Help tab.

But many do not update firmware each time it is available, so it is
necessary to review the firmware release notes between what was
previously loaded in the K3 and the current level loaded.

One can download and print the entire list of firmware release notes or
part of the list. They are in .rtf format.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2019 4:48 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 5/23/2019 1:23 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>> Hi Don - I know I can download a fresh manual, and it may yet come to
>> that. However the manual available online is dated August 24, 2011,
>> and the Firmware Release Notes available under Help in the K3 Utility
>> go up to 2013. I'm fairly confident there were more changes after that.
>
> What's needed is the same sort of running changes notes, a collection of
> the "changes" info displayed by the K3 Utility when updates are downloaded.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

Jim Brown-10

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

On 5/23/2019 2:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> One can download and print the entire list of firmware release notes
> or part of the list. They are in .rtf format.
>
Link?

Thanks, Jim

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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

It’s on your PC already

Mine is copied from ftp to c:/Users/dick/AppData/Roaming/Elecraft/K3 Firmware because I used the default firmware folder on Windows 10.

It’s also on our ftp site at

ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hfwnotes.rtf

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On May 23, 2019, at 14:49, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2019 2:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> One can download and print the entire list of firmware release notes or part of the list. They are in .rtf format.
>>
> Link?
>
> Thanks, Jim
>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

On 5/23/2019 2:59 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> It’s on your PC already
>
> Mine is copied from ftp to c:/Users/dick/AppData/Roaming/Elecraft/K3 Firmware because I used the default firmware folder on Windows 10.
Not if I can't find it, and files in Microsoft's default locations don't
show up in searches!
> It’s also on our ftp site at
>
> ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hfwnotes.rtf

Beautiful! Exactly what we need!

Thanks and 73, Jim K9YC

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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

You can view the entire file at any time from the K3 Utility's Help menu. The K3 Utility reads the entire file into a rich text window that you can scroll through.

I can help you find it on your PC. The (windows) path is shown on the K3 Utility Firmware tab, in the edit box labeled "Local folder for firmware files". hfwnotes.rtf is in that same firmware folder. It's copied, along with new firmware, from our ftp site each time you click "Copy New Files from Elecraft".

Mine says C:\Users\dick\AppData\Roaming\Elecraft\K3 Firmware. Yours would be different.

I understand that Windows by default hides the %APPDATA% folder and doesn't normally search through it.

73 de Dick, K6KR

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On 5/23/2019 2:59 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> It’s on your PC already
>
> Mine is copied from ftp to c:/Users/dick/AppData/Roaming/Elecraft/K3 Firmware because I used the default firmware folder on Windows 10.
Not if I can't find it, and files in Microsoft's default locations don't show up in searches!
> It’s also on our ftp site at
>
> ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hfwnotes.rtf

Beautiful! Exactly what we need!

Thanks and 73, Jim K9YC

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Bill Frantz

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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On 5/23/19 at 2:49 PM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote:

>On 5/23/2019 2:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>One can download and print the entire list of firmware release
>>notes or part of the list. They are in .rtf format.
>>
>Link?

After learning something about the new web site,

Try <https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hfwnotes.rtf>

[The scariest thing a marketing type can say to someone my age
is, "New and Improved".]

73 Bill AE6JV

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N4ZR

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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I wasn't suggesting that Elecraft "issue a new manual" with every
firmware release, just that it institute a "change page" system.
Currently the K3 documentation is confused at best. According to the
release notes, the latest MCU is 4.77, but my radio was back to the
factory early this year, and it now reports an installed MCU version of
5.66. Oddly, though, the K3 Utility says that 4.67 is still the latest
available. There are similar discontinuities in the FPF and DSP
firmware. So I have absolutely no idea what's changed in my radio.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 5/23/2019 4:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

N4ZR

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

In reply to this post by Bill Frantz

This is a step forward - the URL Bill mentioned is current, unlike the
link from the Utility. So now I can find out what's in my radio.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 5/23/2019 7:35 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> On 5/23/19 at 2:49 PM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2019 2:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> One can download and print the entire list of firmware release notes
>>> or part of the list. They are in .rtf format.
>>>
>> Link?
>
> After learning something about the new web site,
>
> Try <https://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hfwnotes.rtf>
>
> [The scariest thing a marketing type can say to someone my age is,
> "New and Improved".]
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
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> (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave
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>
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Dick Dievendorff-4

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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Click “Copy new files from Elecraft” on the K3 Utility firmware tab to copy the latest firmware, and current release notes to your PC.

Dick

> On May 23, 2019, at 18:23, N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I wasn't suggesting that Elecraft "issue a new manual" with every firmware release, just that it institute a "change page" system. Currently the K3 documentation is confused at best. According to the release notes, the latest MCU is 4.77, but my radio was back to the factory early this year, and it now reports an installed MCU version of 5.66. Oddly, though, the K3 Utility says that 4.67 is still the latest available. There are similar discontinuities in the FPF and DSP firmware. So I have absolutely no idea what's changed in my radio.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 5/23/2019 4:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Pete,
>>
>> If you download the newest manual, you will have the most up to date information that is printed in the manual.
>>
>> Above and beyond that (and equally important), you should pay attention to the Firmware Release Notes. They are on the website and also included on the K3 Utility Help Tab.
>> Those Firmware Release changes also constitute changes/additions to whatever level manual you have. So if you mark up you manual starting with each firmware release after the date in the manual, you will have all the information in the manual.
>>
>> I don't think it is practical for Elecraft to issue a new manual with each firmware release.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>>> On 5/23/2019 3:55 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>>> One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous improvement that goes on, even years after initial release. Unfortunately, these improvements are often only documented at release time, and nine years' worth (in my case) is hard to organize.
>>>
>>> Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to be caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual from 2010, which I inadvertently triggered.
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing "change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in sync with the hardware.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that this job, while boring, wouldn't be that difficult, and the benefits to us customers seem obvious.
>>
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W2xj

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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What you are advocating is a federal government style of documentation. It doesn’t come cheap. How much more would you be willing to pay for products to support a vastly increased Elecraft documentation team?

Sent from my iPad

> On May 23, 2019, at 9:23 PM, N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I wasn't suggesting that Elecraft "issue a new manual" with every firmware release, just that it institute a "change page" system. Currently the K3 documentation is confused at best. According to the release notes, the latest MCU is 4.77, but my radio was back to the factory early this year, and it now reports an installed MCU version of 5.66. Oddly, though, the K3 Utility says that 4.67 is still the latest available. There are similar discontinuities in the FPF and DSP firmware. So I have absolutely no idea what's changed in my radio.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
> at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 5/23/2019 4:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Pete,
>>
>> If you download the newest manual, you will have the most up to date information that is printed in the manual.
>>
>> Above and beyond that (and equally important), you should pay attention to the Firmware Release Notes. They are on the website and also included on the K3 Utility Help Tab.
>> Those Firmware Release changes also constitute changes/additions to whatever level manual you have. So if you mark up you manual starting with each firmware release after the date in the manual, you will have all the information in the manual.
>>
>> I don't think it is practical for Elecraft to issue a new manual with each firmware release.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>>> On 5/23/2019 3:55 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>>> One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous improvement that goes on, even years after initial release. Unfortunately, these improvements are often only documented at release time, and nine years' worth (in my case) is hard to organize.
>>>
>>> Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to be caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual from 2010, which I inadvertently triggered.
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing "change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in sync with the

Jim Brown-10

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

On 5/23/2019 6:48 PM, W2xj wrote:
> What you are advocating is a federal government style of documentation. It doesn’t come cheap. How much more would you be willing to pay for products to support a vastly increased Elecraft documentation team?

Not really -- indeed, Elecraft team member K6KR showed us where to find it!

73, Jim K9YC

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George Danner-2

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

When I got my K3 at the end of 2008, I soon discovered that the firmware was
updated fairly often & I needed to keep track of the changes.
The hfwnotes.rft has every update from the first to the latest firmware
updates.
My career as as broadcast engineer I had developed a habit keeping all
modifications with instruction books.
My procedure is to copy the latest changes to a paper page and then add that
page to a notebook labeled FW Notes K3.
I have done the same for the rest of my K-Line and KX3/KXPA.
When I load new firmware (usually the beta versions), I replace the
hfwnotes.rft with the latest version to also have a searchable version.

I keep telling myself that I will print the latest K3 IB and make all the
changes by hand; but somehow retirement has left me too little time.
So maybe when I retire from retirement - I'll get a round "To It".

73
George AI4VZ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Proposal for change pages for manuals

On 5/23/2019 6:48 PM, W2xj wrote:
> What you are advocating is a federal government style of documentation. It
> doesn’t come cheap. How much more would you be willing to pay for products
> to support a vastly increased Elecraft documentation team?

Not really -- indeed, Elecraft team member K6KR showed us where to find it!

73, Jim K9YC

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N4ZR

Re: Proposal for change pages for manuals

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I totally disagree. With the tools that are available to us these days,
one person could produce change pages for the K3 fairly quickly.
However, I think I have a homebrew solution - annotate the manual with
the changes reflected in the Release Notes, and keep them in a separate
binder, in order. It's still 2 steps instead of one, but....

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On 5/23/2019 9:48 PM, W2xj wrote:

> What you are advocating is a federal government style of documentation. It doesn’t come cheap. How much more would you be willing to pay for products to support a vastly increased Elecraft documentation team?
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>> On May 23, 2019, at 9:23 PM, N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I wasn't suggesting that Elecraft "issue a new manual" with every firmware release, just that it institute a "change page" system. Currently the K3 documentation is confused at best. According to the release notes, the latest MCU is 4.77, but my radio was back to the factory early this year, and it now reports an installed MCU version of 5.66. Oddly, though, the K3 Utility says that 4.67 is still the latest available. There are similar discontinuities in the FPF and DSP firmware. So I have absolutely no idea what's changed in my radio.
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>>> On 5/23/2019 4:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Pete,
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>>> If you download the newest manual, you will have the most up to date information that is printed in the manual.
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>>> Above and beyond that (and equally important), you should pay attention to the Firmware Release Notes. They are on the website and also included on the K3 Utility Help Tab.
>>> Those Firmware Release changes also constitute changes/additions to whatever level manual you have. So if you mark up you manual starting with each firmware release after the date in the manual, you will have all the information in the manual.
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>>> I don't think it is practical for Elecraft to issue a new manual with each firmware release.
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>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
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>>>> On 5/23/2019 3:55 PM, N4ZR wrote:
>>>> One of the nice things about Elecraft gear is the continuous improvement that goes on, even years after initial release. Unfortunately, these improvements are often only documented at release time, and nine years' worth (in my case) is hard to organize.
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>>>> Recently, I ran into issues with my middle-aged K3 that turned out to be caused by a change in functionality undocumented in my manual from 2010, which I inadvertently triggered.
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>>>> Why wouldn't it be possible to put someone to work identifying which pages in each manual have been changed or added and then producing "change pages" that we could print out and insert - for example a new page 6, and pages 6a, 6b etc., as needed to bring the manual back in sync with the
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