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Thomas Schaefer

Proposed On-topic indication.

In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an "On-topic" indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to "the guys on the Elecraft list".

It's as if guys know someone will have to read what they share and never ask themselves if it's germane to the list. Germane in this case is ABOUT ELECRAFT and not just of general interest to hams.

This is Internet 101 stuff.

Tom NY4I

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

The only viable solution for this is to make this a moderated list.

That means that someone (probably Eric) would read and review every
single post before it goes out to the rest of us.

We don't want that, do we?

It's far easier if everyone just follow the rules in the list charter.
Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/16/2015 12:34 PM, Tom Schaefer wrote:
> In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an "On-topic" indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to "the guys on the Elecraft list".
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Thomas Schaefer

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

I agree but it actually does seem too much to ask from the evidence. Maybe folks don't know that you should always add OT to the subject line of an off-topic post. Then after you write it, hit DELETE as its off-topic and has no business on the reflector.

If folks have to share that latest nugget, go to QRZ or eHam or any other place folks throw every passing though out for comment.

I will go back to my hole now and get my delete key ready :)

Tom NY4I

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> On Jul 16, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The only viable solution for this is to make this a moderated list.
>
> That means that someone (probably Eric) would read and review every single post before it goes out to the rest of us.
>
> We don't want that, do we?
>
> It's far easier if everyone just follow the rules in the list charter. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
>> On 7/16/2015 12:34 PM, Tom Schaefer wrote:
>> In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an "On-topic" indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to "the guys on the Elecraft list".
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Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

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Tom Schaefer wrote:
> In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an "On-topic" indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to "the guys on the Elecraft list".
>
> It's as if guys know someone will have to read what they share and never ask themselves if it's germane to the list. Germane in this case is ABOUT ELECRAFT and not just of general interest to hams.
>
> This is Internet 101 stuff.
>
Indeed! E-mail 101 allows you to mark the senders of such nonsense as
spamers or junk. Once marked, future submissions from these purveyors
of trash get routed to the
junk folder. That saves you unwanted delete key activity.

Of course one persons trash might be an others treasure. Suggest use
with caution.
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N5GE

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

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I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I
like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or
accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very
well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list.

In fact most email applications have that feature.

The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true
Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in
question.

Here are some examples:

K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever.

If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do
that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you
did it by hand.

The trouble with adding "On-Topic" is that it doesn't specify which
product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics,
because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one
of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own
and plan to own in the future.

What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts?

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:34:05 -0400, you wrote:

>In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an "On-topic" indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to "the guys on the Elecraft list".
>
>It's as if guys know someone will have to read what they share and never ask themselves if it's germane to the list. Germane in this case is ABOUT ELECRAFT and not just of general interest to hams.
>
>This is Internet 101 stuff.
>
>
>Tom NY4I
>
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Andy McMullin

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Excellent Idea! Then we can easily filter out both the junk and the products which do not interest us.

And before someone goes on again about FCC offices being of interest to all hams — it’s only of interest to certain parochial hams living in the USA, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world!

Go for it.

—
Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 16 Jul 2015, at 21:40, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I
> like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or
> accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very
> well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list.
>
> In fact most email applications have that feature.
>
> The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true
> Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in
> question.
>
> Here are some examples:
>
> K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever.
>
> If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do
> that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you
> did it by hand.
>
> The trouble with adding "On-Topic" is that it doesn't specify which
> product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics,
> because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one
> of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own
> and plan to own in the future.
>
> What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts?
>

James Austin

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

I think the Elecraft List Guidelines pretty much covers everything in this
thread.

http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm

Perhaps we should all take a few moments to read them from time to time.

73,
Jim KA2RVO

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Excellent Idea! Then we can easily filter out both the junk and the
> products which do not interest us.
>
> And before someone goes on again about FCC offices being of interest to
> all hams — it’s only of interest to certain parochial hams living in the
> USA, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world!
>
> Go for it.
>
> —
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
>
>
>
> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 21:40, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I
> > like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or
> > accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very
> > well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list.
> >
> > In fact most email applications have that feature.
> >
> > The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true
> > Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in
> > question.
> >
> > Here are some examples:
> >
> > K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever.
> >
> > If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do
> > that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you
> > did it by hand.
> >
> > The trouble with adding "On-Topic" is that it doesn't specify which
> > product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics,
> > because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one
> > of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own
> > and plan to own in the future.
> >
> > What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts?
> >
>
>
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Thomas Schaefer

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Thank you for posting that. I am at fault…

The guidelines state: 5a. Please -do not- post publicly or privately asking people to stop a particular thread, no matter how long, off topic or repetitive it gets. Email me instead ;-) . I will step in when I feel it is necessary to end a thread. (eric(at)elecraft.com)

I took the opportunity to inject some Internet etiquette and that is clearly against the wishes of the list owner as I did exactly what he asked not to do.

As I disagree with that, it’s best for me to extricate myself and use the Yahoo Elecraft list instead.

Best wishes to you all.

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> On Jul 16, 2015, at 5:19 PM, James Austin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I think the Elecraft List Guidelines pretty much covers everything in this
> thread.
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm
>
> Perhaps we should all take a few moments to read them from time to time.
>
> 73,
> Jim KA2RVO
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Andy McMullin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Excellent Idea! Then we can easily filter out both the junk and the
>> products which do not interest us.
>>
>> And before someone goes on again about FCC offices being of interest to
>> all hams — it’s only of interest to certain parochial hams living in the
>> USA, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the world!
>>
>> Go for it.
>>
>> —
>> Regards
>> Andy, G8TQH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 21:40, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a good, cheap email application called Forte' Agent. What I
>>> like most about it is that I can design filters that either destroy or
>>> accept emails based on filters that I can make. It usually works very
>>> well, but this list has mutated into a very hard to filter list.
>>>
>>> In fact most email applications have that feature.
>>>
>>> The solution I propose is that each subject line that is a true
>>> Elecraft product post begin with the name of the Elecraft product in
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Here are some examples:
>>>
>>> K3, K3S, P3, KPA500, KAT500, K2, KRC2, KX3 or whatever.
>>>
>>> If those of you who only want to talk about Elecraft products would do
>>> that it would be easy to filter out off topic subjects, even if you
>>> did it by hand.
>>>
>>> The trouble with adding "On-Topic" is that it doesn't specify which
>>> product. For instance: I'm not interested in K2 or KX3 topics,
>>> because I don't own either of them and I am not considering buying one
>>> of the two (at this time), but I AM interested in the products I own
>>> and plan to own in the future.
>>>
>>> What say those of you who are tired of off topic posts?
>>>
>>
>>
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NK7Z

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

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No that is not the only viable answer to this... I moderate three lists
on Yahoo, MixW, MMSSTV, and Dopplergrams... All are open posting, and
none of them go as far astray as this list does...

The moderator needs to crack the whip is all..

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On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 12:57 -0700, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> The only viable solution for this is to make this a moderated list.
>
> That means that someone (probably Eric) would read and review every
> single post before it goes out to the rest of us.
>
> We don't want that, do we?
>
> It's far easier if everyone just follow the rules in the list charter.
> Doesn't seem like too much to ask.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 7/16/2015 12:34 PM, Tom Schaefer wrote:
> > In light of the flagrant inclusion of off-topic material on this list (including this), I propose that everyone start adding an "On-topic" indication to their subject line for things that are actually about Elecraft. That way those of us that want to read only things related to the list for which we subscribed, can avoid every random thought someone things might be interesting to "the guys on the Elecraft list".
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Lot of folks get in here and complain about stuff. We just need to
remember one thing: IT'S NOT OUR LIST.

It's Eric's list.

If you don't like something going on, as he has requested and posted many,
many times, COMPLAIN DIRECTLY TO ERIC. ([hidden email]) His email
address does, in fact, actually work. Whether he will agree with you and/or
do something is a separate matter.

Convince him and he might change something. Otherwise, it's his front yard,
not ours. We are but invited guests.

73, Guy K2AV.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:48 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No that is not the only viable answer to this... I moderate three lists
> on Yahoo, MixW, MMSSTV, and Dopplergrams... All are open posting, and
> none of them go as far astray as this list does...
>
> The moderator needs to crack the whip is all..
>
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NK7Z

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

guy,

Your assumption that I was complaining is in error. I was pointing out
that the stated, "only viable option" was in fact not the only viable
option...

I suspect everyone here knows it is Elecraft's list...

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On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 23:20 -0400, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> Lot of folks get in here and complain about stuff. We just need to
> remember one thing: IT'S NOT OUR LIST.
>
>
> It's Eric's list.
>
>
> If you don't like something going on, as he has requested and posted
> many, many times, COMPLAIN DIRECTLY TO ERIC. ([hidden email]) His
> email address does, in fact, actually work. Whether he will agree with
> you and/or do something is a separate matter.
>
>
> Convince him and he might change something. Otherwise, it's his front
> yard, not ours. We are but invited guests.
>
>
> 73, Guy K2AV.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:48 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
> No that is not the only viable answer to this... I moderate
> three lists
> on Yahoo, MixW, MMSSTV, and Dopplergrams... All are open
> posting, and
> none of them go as far astray as this list does...
>
> The moderator needs to crack the whip is all..

John Payne

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Come on guys, 18 messages related to a topic that is not even necessary
if the one complaining had just used that wonderful invention called the
"delete key" instead of trying to be a "list cop". No offense
intended, just saying...

W4CWZ

On 7/16/2015 11:58 PM, David Cole wrote:
> guy,
>
> Your assumption that I was complaining is in error. I was pointing out
> that the stated, "only viable option" was in fact not the only viable
> option...
>
> I suspect everyone here knows it is Elecraft's list...
>
>

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NK7Z

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not "necessary" as
a topic.... Just saying...
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On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 11:29 -0400, John Payne wrote:

> Come on guys, 18 messages related to a topic that is not even necessary
> if the one complaining had just used that wonderful invention called the
> "delete key" instead of trying to be a "list cop". No offense
> intended, just saying...
>
> W4CWZ
>
> On 7/16/2015 11:58 PM, David Cole wrote:
> > guy,
> >
> > Your assumption that I was complaining is in error. I was pointing out
> > that the stated, "only viable option" was in fact not the only viable
> > option...
> >
> > I suspect everyone here knows it is Elecraft's list...
> >
> >
>
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John Payne

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Perhaps I could have worded it better, my meaning was that 18, n0 20+
replies would not have been needed if the original complainer had just
used delete. Now topic closed, before Wayne or Eric find it necessary
to step in.

On 7/17/2015 8:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not "necessary" as
> a topic.... Just saying...

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John Payne

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

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The whole point I was trying to make was that what started as one person
objecting to a post became many messages, which could have been avoided
y the OP using his delete key. It has now evolved into a debate which
can quickly become heated. This ain't Facebook, fellas!!

On 7/17/2015 8:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not "necessary" as
> a topic.... Just saying...

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Proposed On-topic indication.

Administrator

Thread closed.

Folks, I am on the road right now and not able to watch the list every moment.

73,

Eric
List moderator
elecraft.com
_..._

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 5:41 PM, John Payne <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The whole point I was trying to make was that what started as one person objecting to a post became many messages, which could have been avoided y the OP using his delete key. It has now evolved into a debate which can quickly become heated. This ain't Facebook, fellas!!
>
>
>> On 7/17/2015 8:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>> Speaking of list cop, thank you for deciding what is not "necessary" as
>> a topic.... Just saying...
>
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