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Bill-3

Purpose of this group

I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical
support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask
questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.

I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.

Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?

Bill W2BLC owner/user

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Re: Purpose of this group

Yes and yes, plus many of us are quite practiced in using the delete key.

I own a K3s and I have no difficulty in skimming through the comments that are beyond my interests. But, I have found interesting, informative and instructive topics, often not related to my K3s.

Your milage may differ…

James Forsman
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> On Mar 24, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?

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Roger D Johnson

Re: Purpose of this group

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I have no interest in most of the technical discussions.

Roger N1RJ

On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote:

>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up
> by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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W2xj

Re: Purpose of this group

Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to have issues.

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> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have no interest in most of the technical discussions.
>
> Roger N1RJ
>
>> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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k4vd

Re: Purpose of this group

A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
fine. I probably delete 90+ percent of all the emails I receive from the
few groups I follow. Maybe an odd thing but I like to follow the OT
comments on the weekends.

If strict content control is a requirement consider a book, newspaper or
magazine and skip the editorials and opinion columns. They usually stay on
topic and don't allow the conversation to stray.

OT stuff has a pretty short life here. Apparently not short enough for some.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT
> discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to
> have issues.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have no interest in most of the technical discussions.
> >
> > Roger N1RJ
> >
> >> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote:
> >>
> >> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
> >> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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W2xj

Re: Purpose of this group

I have every list email I have received since 1992. I have been able to re-build list archives. I have never understood this ‘bandwidth’ or size limit garbage. Most have nearly unlimited bandwidth and more storage than needed for email. I find digests and web views more offensive.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
> fine. I probably delete 90+ percent of all the emails I receive from the
> few groups I follow. Maybe an odd thing but I like to follow the OT
> comments on the weekends.
>
> If strict content control is a requirement consider a book, newspaper or
> magazine and skip the editorials and opinion columns. They usually stay on
> topic and don't allow the conversation to stray.
>
> OT stuff has a pretty short life here. Apparently not short enough for some.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT
>> discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to
>> have issues.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no interest in most of the technical discussions.
>>>
>>> Roger N1RJ
>>>
>>>> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
>> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>>>> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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ke9uw

Re: Purpose of this group

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The first post wasn’t technical...

Chuck Jack
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Sent from my iPhone, cjack

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 10:08 AM, Kevin der Kinderen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
> fine. I probably delete 90+ percent of all the emails I receive from the
> few groups I follow. Maybe an odd thing but I like to follow the OT
> comments on the weekends.
>
> If strict content control is a requirement consider a book, newspaper or
> magazine and skip the editorials and opinion columns. They usually stay on
> topic and don't allow the conversation to stray.
>
> OT stuff has a pretty short life here. Apparently not short enough for some.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM W2xj <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated. OT
>> discussions are usually the most interesting but causes the moderator to
>> have issues.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Roger D Johnson <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no interest in most of the technical discussions.
>>>
>>> Roger N1RJ
>>>
>>>> On 3/24/2019 8:40 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
>> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>>>> Bill W2BLC owner/user
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David Gilbert

Re: Purpose of this group

In reply to this post by Bill-3

I think you are mostly correct, although there are valid correlated
topics when trying to assist an Elecraft user with a problem, but the
number of replies you've gotten thus far expressing interest and support
for off topic threads indicates that there are folks here who don't
understand that Eric and Wayne have to wade through all that crap in
their effort to be responsive to their customer base. They moderate for
a valid reason.

It always seems to be the same folks who think that their off-topic
comments belong here. The very fact that they label it OT clearly shows
they understand they are abusing the published reflector guidelines, yet
they have the
arrogance to do so anyway. It boggles my mind.

Dave AB7E

On 3/24/2019 5:40 AM, Bill wrote:

> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a
> technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A
> place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said
> equipment.
>
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
> the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
> supporting the technical issues of owners/users.
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to
> be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no
> interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
>
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Dick Dickinson

Re: Purpose of this group

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As far as 'purpose,' I don't recall that Elecraft has ever made a formal
statement on the matter. I for one appreciates 'some' of the other than
'Elecraft technical' that goes on.

I do not receive the messages via email. I do keep a browser page open most
all the time I'm at my computer. The browser page lists the topic and
poster and I can ignore what doesn't interest me. It only take a couple of
seconds to scan the posts after a refresh.

I have no need nor interest in managing posts via email.

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-March/date.html

.just have to update the link monthly.

Dick - KA5KKT
---------------------------------------------------------------

I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical
support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask
questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.

I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
supporting the technical issues of owners/users.

Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?

Bill W2BLC owner/user

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Josh Wood

Re: Purpose of this group

As a NON-Elecraft owner, I thought I would chime in. I too, enjoy both the
technical, as well as the Off-Topic well - erm, topics. I just thought I
would copy information taken directly from Elecraft's website (
https://elecraft.com/pages/community).

The ELECRAFT email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
the discussion of* both technical and operating topics* *including*
KX1/K1/K2/K3/KX3/P3/KPA500 features, construction and debugs problems, *sharing
your enthusiasm and impressions* from using our products *and more general
ham radio related topics of interest* to our customers. There is a
tremendous amount of knowledge and information available via the searchable
list archives and by posting your questions to the list. *(You must be
subscribed to post to the list.)*

Emphasis is obviously mine. As long as it's not hateful, hurtful, or
inappropriate, and is done with the spirit of ham radio and Elecraft's
stated purpose in mind, it seems fine (to me).

I think there are enough cycles on the bands for us to turn the dial, and
in this case electrons in the wires for us to delete the emails, whenever
something doesn't interest you.

See you down the log,

~Josh
W0ODJ

P.S. One of these days i'll convince my wife to let me buy a K3S... It'll
probably be a K5 by then!

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Dick Dickinson <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> As far as 'purpose,' I don't recall that Elecraft has ever made a formal
> statement on the matter. I for one appreciates 'some' of the other than
> 'Elecraft technical' that goes on.
>
> I do not receive the messages via email. I do keep a browser page open
> most
> all the time I'm at my computer. The browser page lists the topic and
> poster and I can ignore what doesn't interest me. It only take a couple of
> seconds to scan the posts after a refresh.
>
> I have no need nor interest in managing posts via email.
>
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2019-March/date.html
>
> .just have to update the link monthly.
>
>
> Dick - KA5KKT
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical
> support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask
> questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.
>
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
> the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
> supporting the technical issues of owners/users.
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
>
>
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Edward R Cole

Re: Purpose of this group

In reply to this post by Bill-3

my two cents:

I do virtually NO HF and NO CW, so why do I subscribe? Because I own
a K3, KX3, and KXPA100. So, yes, the occasional tech discussion is
one that interests/impacts my stuff. But I find some of the OT
interesting, though HF contests/DXing are not particularly.

Main interests: 6m and up. Eme. Digital modes.

I subscribe to several lists besides Elecraft so to keep it separate
I just receive the digest version. I read it after going thru the
other list more germane to my interests. Then I delete each digest -
unless I reply. Then might retain it a few days. Really important
posts are printed for files that I might want to refer back at a
later time or solve an issue that may reemerge in the future.

I do have e-mail folders for some e-mail categories that I want
archived or for quick retrieval. eg: invoices, trip reservations,
etc. When I was in business there was a folder for customer correspondence.

Final note: I do not think Elecraft is over-moderated and in some
cases more tolerant than I would be (I am moderator of another list).

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3

Re: Purpose of this group

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The purpose of this group is what the moderator says it is.

On 3/24/2019 5:40 AM, Bill wrote:

> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a technical
> support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A place to ask
> questions and learn about the operation and use of said equipment.
>
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
> the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
> supporting the technical issues of owners/users.
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to be
> taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Purpose of this group

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On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
> fine.

It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which
is why I don't use the digest mode.

73, Jim K9YC

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3

Re: Purpose of this group

POPfile does an admirable job of sorting. This message went directly to
my OT folder, the "will there be a K4" thread is in the QRO folder, etc.

I do not have to build filters or know why it puts a message in a
folder, I just have to classify a couple of examples to start, then
reclassify a few mistakes from time to time.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/24/2019 12:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
>> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key
>> works
>> fine.
>
> It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which
> is why I don't use the digest mode.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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W2xj

Re: Purpose of this group

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

Digests are decades out of date.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/2019 8:07 AM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
>> A little flexibility in the content keeps it interesting. Delete key works
>> fine.
>
> It does if you get individual emails, but not if you get a digest, which is why I don't use the digest mode.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Doug Person-5

Re: Purpose of this group

In reply to this post by Bill-3

This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft
products, making suggestions for product improvements, offering other
members advice on best operating techniques, and so much more. Want a
suggestion on which mic to use with your K3s? How to setup memories for
cw ops? Use external software to operate your rig? The best type of PC
to use or best approach to physically interface your rig to your PC?
These are just a very small set of questions you might ask here.

This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also
about ham radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly
to Elecraft's outstanding support staff via email.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:

hbjr

Re: Purpose of this group

I monitored this group before I bought my K3s back in October. I have learned how to make cables for various things, who makes good homebrew gear (and some guys that sell their own stuff for K3's and KX's), and even bought some used Elecraft gear hear.

I'm not sure how to call out the wrong topics...I think we should all leave that to the moderators 😊

Hank
K4HYJ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 6:47 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Purpose of this group

This group is more about sharing the experience of using Elecraft products, making suggestions for product improvements, offering other members advice on best operating techniques, and so much more. Want a suggestion on which mic to use with your K3s? How to setup memories for cw ops? Use external software to operate your rig? The best type of PC to use or best approach to physically interface your rig to your PC? These are just a very small set of questions you might ask here.

This is an active community of devoted Elecraft users. But, it's also about ham radio. Any kind of serious support question should go directly to Elecraft's outstanding support staff via email.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 3/24/2019 7:40 AM, Bill wrote:

> I have been under the assumption that this group existed as a
> technical support center for owners/users of Elecraft equipment: A
> place to ask questions and learn about the operation and use of said
> equipment.
>
> I see no reason for long discussions regarding DX/contest operations,
> the rules, politics, or other trivia of same in this group - a group
> supporting the technical issues of owners/users.
>
> Am I correct that this is a technical group? Or, is posting space to
> be taken up by non-technical discussions of which many users have no
> interest?
>
> Bill W2BLC owner/user
>
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73 de Doug -- KJ0F

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Phil Kane-2

Re: Purpose of this group

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On 3/24/2019 7:14 AM, W2xj wrote:

> Nor do I but I think this group is excessively over moderated.

If you think that, I can refer you to a hobby group about applying
technology to railfanning where simple requests for set-up assistance
(usually by a newbie) usually get a moderator's response "read the wiki"
rather than a "how to do it".

Nothing personal and sorry for the OT but I had t say it......

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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