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Julius Fazekas n2wn
Dave,

I've seen one contest that suggested that you do add
/QRP to you call, if operating QRP. No mention of the
legality of it, or that one show know one's licensing
authorities rules.

The only advantage I can see is if QRP stations are
worth bonus points. There are a few contests that
award more points to QRP QSOs.

I personally do not sign QRP when I'm running 5W or
less, particularly in contests. My thoughts are it
adds too much time to the exchange and, if conditions
are poor, make a tough QSO even more difficult.

If I can dig you out, I'll make the QSO regardless of
someone signing /QRP.

I had an eQSL from HA8KW who was running QRP at the
time... the neat thing is that the QSO was on 80M!

72,
Julius
n2wn
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Signing "/QRP"

Ken Kopp
Signing "/QRP" can be viewed as "please take pitty on me" thing.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

crmabbott
It is much better to sign QRP after they give you a decent RST, it really annoys them!!
It sort of makes the 229 & no cpy you get after that a little shallow in meaning.

73

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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Paul - VE1DY-2
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> Signing "/QRP" can be viewed as "please take pitty on me" thing.

Hi Ken,

Yes it can, but...   I like to hear a guy sign qrp, especially these
days, with poor propagation because... if I hear a fairly weak signal,
and I'm thinking, he's probably running a hundred watts, I won't
bother calling, because he aint gonna hear me.  On the other hand, if
I hear his /qrp, I'll immediately reach for the paddle, cuz I know
he's gonna hear my K2!

72, Paul
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On 6/11/07, Ken Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Signing "/QRP" can be viewed as "please take pitty on me" thing.
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Stephen W. Kercel
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Ken and list:

Generally speaking, if I hear a station calling CQ with /QRP, I'll
answer with /QRP. Particularly on domestic QSOs, I'm more interested
in working other QRP stations than high powered stations. Thus, when
I hear "/QRP" I do not hear it as "please take pity," but rather as
"here's an interesting QSO in the offing."

It is usually not a good idea to sign "/QRP" in contests or DX
pileups; in those circumstances, the station being called by multiple
callers answers the first call he/she makes sense of; either the
loudest or the shortest. Anyway, contest action moves too fast to
allow for unnecessary information.

As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing "/QRP" is
perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for "self-assigned
indicators." There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last
sentence of the regulation says "No self-assigned may conflict with
any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix
assigned to another country." Q signals, including QRP, pose no such
conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular "self-assigned
indicators" are illegal, particularly "/M," commonly used by mobile
stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, and "/R" commonly used by
repeaters, a prefix assigned to Russia, and used for special ham
callsigns for Russian WW2 veterans.

73,

Steve Kercel
AA4AK





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Re: Signing "/QRP"

John GM4SLV
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:02:21 -0400
"Stephen W. Kercel" <[hidden email]> wrote:


> As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing "/QRP" is
> perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for "self-assigned
> indicators." There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last
> sentence of the regulation says "No self-assigned may conflict with
> any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix
> assigned to another country." Q signals, including QRP, pose no such
> conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular "self-assigned
> indicators" are illegal, particularly "/M," commonly used by mobile
> stations, a prefix assigned to the UK,

That's an odd one! The prefix "M" is indeed assigned to the UK and used
in the amateur service. But in the UK "/M" it is also the legally
assigned suffix to be used when operating "from a vehicle or as a
pedestrian" (leaving aside the recent regulation change in the UK which
seems to have made the use of the suffixes for mobile/portable etc.
optional).

As far as I can read in our regs there's nothing to prevent adding /QRP
to one's callsign. As long as your "basic" call is given correctly then
anything else is allowed in a QSO - tagging /QRP to the end seems to me
to be just part of the rest of the QSO. It's splitting hairs to worry
about the difference between "GM4SLV/QRP" and "GM4SLV<space>QRP" and
(when I'm sending!!) "GM4SLV<might be a space, might not be who can
tell>/QRP"

As to actually signing /QRP I tend to agree that in general it's
pointless and even counterproductive, as it seems to put some people off
- a real 559 turns into 339 in the mind of the op at the other end when
the seed of "oh - it's a QRP station" doubt is sown too early in the
QSO!

I do find it useful as a QRP operator to know in advance that the weak
station I can hear is actually QRP because then (through the theory of
reciprosity) I can assume that he'll hear me just as well as I can
hear him.

Without this clue (/QRP) I tend  assume other signals are from "normal"
100w stations and therefore I'll be receiving 13dB more signal from them
than they will from me. I'll switch in my attenuator and see how it
still sounds. If he's still workable I'll give him a call (not
signing /QRP).

I never sign /QRP but accasionally I'll add "QRP" into a CQ call if I'm
on one of the QRP calling frequencies and want to inform other QRPers
that I'll be able to hear them, if they can hear me.

Cheers

John GM4SLV
Shetland Isles
UK
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RE: Signing "/QRP"

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
I suspect John, GM4SLV, and Steve AA4AK are quite right about many responses
to those signing /QRP.

I always perk up when I hear /QRP because it promises to be an unusually
interesting contact. When I call CQ on or near a QRP "calling frequency"
such as 7040 or 14060 I use 5 watts or less and sign /QRP myself.

I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests
will never stop signing /QRP. If someone considers a QRP signal as unworthy
of his or her time, that's their choice and I'm happy to help them avoid
being "ambushed" by an unrecognized QRP signal just because it happens to be
pounding in nice an strong at their end.

Ron AC7AC


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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Mike Markowski
Ron & all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests
> will never stop signing /QRP...

I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the "/QRP" in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend
it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than
not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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RE: Signing "/QRP"

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ
DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP" ;-)

Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first.

As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging
out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging "in
the mud" for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal.


I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long
rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not
a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.

Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----

Ron & all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
> interests will never stop signing /QRP...

I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the "/QRP" in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it
more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Sandy W5TVW
Can't agree with you more Ron!  I think I've had more polite QSO's with
QRPers than other random contacts.  Another bunch that will spend some good
QSO time with you other than the:  "Good meeting you", RST, QTH, "Op", 73
QSO, is the FISTS group.  Way too many fellows these days who plain don't
want to "talk" and "ragchew" on CW.  I have run into a lot of "shooters",
pilots, ship operators accidently while laying out fragments of my "bio" on
CW QSO's.  I feel VERY uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5
watters, then finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459
is running 100 watts!

72/72,

Sandy
Mostly W5TVW/QRP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"


> Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX W3XYZ
> W3XYZ
> DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP" ;-)
>
> Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
> anyone, I want them to get the call right first.
>
> As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging
> out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging "in
> the mud" for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP
> signal.
>
>
> I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long
> rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is
> not
> a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Ron & all,
>
> Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
>> interests will never stop signing /QRP...
>
> I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not
> signing
> using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:
>
> cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap
>
> I put the "/QRP" in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
> resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it
> more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.
>
> For what it's worth,
> Mike  ab3ap
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Jozef Hand-Boniakowski
Yes.  And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year.  To celebrate
FISTS is offering the 20/20 award.  Your work 20 FISTS for 20 minutes
each (at least) in each of the 12 months during 2007.  The first month
you get the certificate and and sticker for that month (say January).  
Then for each successive month you do it again and get another stick
(for that month).  Get all twelve (20 QSOs X 20 minutes per month X 12
months) and you get plaque for the anniversary award.  To allow late
comers to get the plaque, you get a free month sticker for any two
consecutive months the feat is achieved.  These can be used for missed
months.  The conversations have been wonderful.  See awards at
http://www.fists.org

73, Jozef
FISTS 12313 CC 1875

Sandy wrote:

> Can't agree with you more Ron!  I think I've had more polite QSO's
> with QRPers than other random contacts.  Another bunch that will spend
> some good QSO time with you other than the:  "Good meeting you", RST,
> QTH, "Op", 73 QSO, is the FISTS group.  Way too many fellows these
> days who plain don't want to "talk" and "ragchew" on CW.  I have run
> into a lot of "shooters", pilots, ship operators accidently while
> laying out fragments of my "bio" on CW QSO's.  I feel VERY
> uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5 watters, then
> finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459 is
> running 100 watts!
>
> 72/72,
>
> Sandy
> Mostly W5TVW/QRP
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
>
>> Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX
>> W3XYZ W3XYZ
>> DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP" ;-)
>>
>> Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
>> anyone, I want them to get the call right first.
>>
>> As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions.
>> Digging
>> out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging
>> "in
>> the mud" for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP
>> signal.
>>
>>
>> I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long,
>> long
>> rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP
>> is not
>> a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Ron & all,
>>
>> Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>> ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
>>> interests will never stop signing /QRP...
>>
>> I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not
>> signing
>> using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by
>> txing:
>>
>> cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap
>>
>> I put the "/QRP" in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
>> resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but
>> send it
>> more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.
>>
>> For what it's worth,
>> Mike  ab3ap
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Making Interesting QSOs (WAS: Signing "/QRP")

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
In reply to this post by Sandy W5TVW
Sandy, those are *great* points!

I have had a lot of new ops say that they have a very hard time "chewing the
rag" on CW because they can't really formulate things to say AND concentrate
on sending good CW. I suggest they write down some mini-bios that would fit
into a transmission that they can just copy as need be and append an "open
ended" question to the comment! For example:

BN POUNDING BRASS FOR 5 YRS NOW ES LOVE IT X HW DID U GET INTO HAM RADIO?

Or (for the "Married with Children" fans)

IM AN EX SHOE SALESMAN X MY TV SERIES WAS CANCELLED, MY KIDS GREW UP ES MY
XYL WANTED ME OUT OF HER LIVING ROOM SO I GOT MY HAM LICENSE X SHE LIKES CW
BECAUSE I CANT SEND AND STICK MY HANDS IN MY BELT AT THE SAME TIME X HOW DID
YOU GET INTO THE HOBBY?

Of course, one of my favorites is "RIG HR ELECRAFT K2 X BUILT IT IN 2000. LV
BUILDING. WHATS UR FAVORITE HAM ACTIVITY?"

I got a reply once, "RIG HR KX1. BUILDING. BUILDING. BUILDING. DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S NUMBER FOUR YET."

For folks out there who have a hard time thinking and sending each one on a
card so you can pick one out quickly. And, I can tell you from experience,
one day you'll realize you aren't using the cards any more. You're just
talking with a new friend on the air...

Ron AC7AC

 

-----Original Message-----

Can't agree with you more Ron!  I think I've had more polite QSO's with
QRPers than other random contacts.  Another bunch that will spend some good
QSO time with you other than the:  "Good meeting you", RST, QTH, "Op", 73
QSO, is the FISTS group.  Way too many fellows these days who plain don't
want to "talk" and "ragchew" on CW.  I have run into a lot of "shooters",
pilots, ship operators accidently while laying out fragments of my "bio" on
CW QSO's.  I feel VERY uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5

watters, then finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459
is running 100 watts!

72/72,

Sandy
Mostly W5TVW/QRP

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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Jacques Gaudron
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Hello everyone
Nobody mentionned the importance of the antenna when operating QRP.  Which
is the best : 10 watts on a three element beam or 100 watts on a dipole ?
I am not a DX champion or an avid contester but I reached te 100 countries
without particularly hunting for any of these, and in about a year's time.
Using a 6 el. log yagi on ten, an HB9CV on 15 and another one on 20.
No complex for QRP on SSB, please, but adjust carefully   your antennas !
73 to all
Jacques
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From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"


Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ
DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP" ;-)

Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first.

As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging
out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging "in
the mud" for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal.


I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long
rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not
a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.

Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----

Ron & all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
> interests will never stop signing /QRP...

I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the "/QRP" in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it
more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

W2AGN-2
Well, I must have missed the memo. I thought this was the "Elecraft" list. But
for the past couple weeks, it appears to be a general discussion list. I though
the various and sundry "QRP-L" lists were more for that. Of course, I note a lot
of cross-posting, so I guess folks like to see their words of "wisdom" on
several lists.

I wonder where one finds information about the K3 and K2, etc? Maybe on the
"Bird-watchers" list?


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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Chris Kantarjiev K6DBG
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> Yes.  And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year.  To celebrate
> FISTS is offering the 20/20 award.

Too bad there don't seem to be many (active) FISTS west of the Rockies.
In these times of poor condx, I feel lucky to have finally amassed
100 "points" while running QRP (all I've got)... the 20/20 award
appears out of reach.

Oh well, I'm still having fun!

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Thom LaCosta
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, W2AGN wrote:

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> I wonder where one finds information about the K3 and K2, etc? Maybe on the
> "Bird-watchers" list?

I believe that, and other technical matters, can be found on OT-LIST

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Re: Signing "/QRP"

Scott Richardson-4
>> "Bird-watchers" list?

When's LAITF?

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