RE: Mode Disable????
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Brian, K3KO wrote:
>It's a pain to cycle through FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to go isn't something that one should clutter their minds with< My K3 doesn't have to go through AM and FM to get from to get from CW to SSB. I just press the ^ to go from CW to SSB and the opposite direction to go from SSB back to CW. There are no modes inbetween that you have to pass through. I'm not sure where this "problem" coming from...... 73, Dave N8AG _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Dave,
Tell me with a straight face that you never overshoot a mode and end up at something other then CW/SSB. Also throw in AM or FM into the mix and now you have 3 modes which are not sequential. Besides, your algorithm actually requires one to remember something. Since you can't see the modes you're not in, is the direction up or down? Mind clutter is something you learn to avoid as you age. Up down buttons to me have always been a game of roulette anyhow. Sometimes you stop where you want, sometimes not. 73 de Brian/K3KO
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I think the modes are arranged in order of popularity with SSB being at the
top and FM at the bottom. Steve Ellington [hidden email] ----- Original Message ----- From: "alsopb" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Mode Disable???? > > Dave, > > Tell me with a straight face that you never overshoot a mode and end up at > something other then CW/SSB. > > Also throw in AM or FM into the mix and now you have 3 modes which are not > sequential. > > Besides, your algorithm actually requires one to remember something. > Since > you can't see the modes you're not in, is the direction up or down? Mind > clutter is something you learn to avoid as you age. > > Up down buttons to me have always been a game of roulette anyhow. > Sometimes > you stop where you want, sometimes not. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > > > Dave Agsten wrote: >> >> Brian, K3KO wrote: >> >>>It's a pain to cycle through >> FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to >> go >> isn't something that one should clutter their minds with< >> >> My K3 doesn't have to go through AM and FM to get from to get from CW to >> SSB. I just press the ^ to go from CW to SSB and the opposite direction >> to >> go from SSB back to CW. There are no modes inbetween that you have to >> pass >> through. I'm not sure where this "problem" coming from...... >> >> 73, >> Dave N8AG >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/RE%3A-Mode-Disable-----tp576985p577049.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 > 6:00 AM > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:50:20 -0700 (PDT), alsopb <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >Dave, > >Tell me with a straight face that you never overshoot a mode and end up at >something other then CW/SSB. > >Also throw in AM or FM into the mix and now you have 3 modes which are not >sequential. > >Besides, your algorithm actually requires one to remember something. Since >you can't see the modes you're not in, is the direction up or down? Mind >clutter is something you learn to avoid as you age. > >Up down buttons to me have always been a game of roulette anyhow. Sometimes >you stop where you want, sometimes not. > >73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > > >Dave Agsten wrote: >> >> Brian, K3KO wrote: >> >>>It's a pain to cycle through >> FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to >> go >> isn't something that one should clutter their minds with< >> >> My K3 doesn't have to go through AM and FM to get from to get from CW to >> SSB. I just press the ^ to go from CW to SSB and the opposite direction to >> go from SSB back to CW. There are no modes inbetween that you have to pass >> through. I'm not sure where this "problem" coming from...... >> >> 73, >> Dave N8AG >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> I vote for leaving them as they are. I like brain clutter. It keeps me feeling younger. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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>>Dave Agsten wrote:
>>> >>> Brian, K3KO wrote: >>> >>>>It's a pain to cycle through >>> FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to >>> go >>> isn't something that one should clutter their minds with< >I vote for leaving them as they are. I like brain clutter. It keeps >me feeling >younger. > >Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq I'll second that, Tom. A bit of manual dexterity is also good for arthritic joints. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK ------ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:46:17 +0100, David Pratt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>Dave Agsten wrote: >>>> >>>> Brian, K3KO wrote: >>>> >>>>>It's a pain to cycle through >>>> FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to >>>> go >>>> isn't something that one should clutter their minds with< > >>I vote for leaving them as they are. I like brain clutter. It keeps >>me feeling >>younger. >> >>Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq > >I'll second that, Tom. A bit of manual dexterity is also good for >arthritic joints. > >73 After looking closely at the K3 I decided there are a lot of things I'd like to see changed on the LCD: 1. I'd like for the filter width indicator to be where the VFO B frequency readout is and shift the other indicators in that row to the left to make it fit, because I prefer looking at it through my dominant eye which is my right eye. 2. I'd like for CMP to have a label for 5 dB, because I don't like to have to interpolate the distance between zero and ten. 3. I'd like for the S-Meter to have a maximum reading of 80.5 dB in .5 dB steps, because I have a neighbor 2 miles away that tells me I should be able to resolve his signal strength accurately. As it is I can only watch him peg the meter when he is working DX. 4. Since I almost always work CW, I wonder if you could add a feature to disable all the other modes so I won't be able to accidentally use them or have to step through them. It would be nice if I could use the menu to select one of the other modes if I really do want to use it. You could make the mode selectable from the Config Menu by rotating the B VFO to the mode and selecting YES to make it available from the MODE button. I feel this is a reasonable request and it shouldn't take more than a few days to do the necessary modifications. Disclaimer: All of the above is said with tongue in cheek and in no way is meant upset or belittle anyone. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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In reply to this post by alsopb
Fiddle with your LCD viewing angle until you CAN see the modes you're
not in... Then you can easily tell what direction to go without having to learn anything new. On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 10:50 -0700, alsopb wrote: > Dave, > > Tell me with a straight face that you never overshoot a mode and end up at > something other then CW/SSB. > > Also throw in AM or FM into the mix and now you have 3 modes which are not > sequential. > > Besides, your algorithm actually requires one to remember something. Since > you can't see the modes you're not in, is the direction up or down? Mind > clutter is something you learn to avoid as you age. > > Up down buttons to me have always been a game of roulette anyhow. Sometimes > you stop where you want, sometimes not. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > > > > Dave Agsten wrote: > > > > Brian, K3KO wrote: > > > >>It's a pain to cycle through > > FM/AM just to get from CW/SSB -- since the proper one press direction to > > go > > isn't something that one should clutter their minds with< > > > > My K3 doesn't have to go through AM and FM to get from to get from CW to > > SSB. I just press the ^ to go from CW to SSB and the opposite direction to > > go from SSB back to CW. There are no modes inbetween that you have to pass > > through. I'm not sure where this "problem" coming from...... > > > > 73, > > Dave N8AG > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Post to: [hidden email] > > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Dave Agsten
Why not put our brain's memory function to work and memorize where each mode is from top to bottom on the K3 display? Then we will know whether to press UP or DOWN to change modes.
73 from George, N4YM K3 # 340 K2 # 4750 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Well George, some of us are rote memory folks and some of us are "figure it out" folks.
Both types are needed in this world. I guess you're in the rote memory column. Get a little older, memorize the order (a useless thing to spend brain resources on in my opinion) and come back in two weeks of not using the radio. See if you still remember the order. 73 de Brian/K3KO
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This is why you can simply change your LCD viewing angle setting and
make it to where the unused LCD segments are just barely visible. Then you can easily see where you are going and what each direction button will do for you. On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, alsopb <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Well George, some of us are rote memory folks and some of us are "figure it > out" folks. > > Both types are needed in this world. > I guess you're in the rote memory column. > > Get a little older, memorize the order (a useless thing to spend brain > resources on in my opinion) and come back in two weeks of not using the > radio. See if you still remember the order. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > George-122 wrote: >> >> Why not put our brain's memory function to work and memorize where each >> mode is from top to bottom on the K3 display? Then we will know whether >> to press UP or DOWN to change modes. >> >> 73 from George, N4YM >> K3 # 340 >> K2 # 4750 >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/RE%3A-Mode-Disable-----tp576985p580577.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Seems like this topic has been a bit of a "dead horse" for a while already. Can't we agree that everyone's got their own operating style, and some may benefit from a feature, even if others can't see a need for it? It seems like the feature should be reasonably easy to implement in a firmware enhancement, and wouldn't hurt those who don't see the need. This sort of flexibility is one of the great features of the K3. I'm sure it's on the wish-list by now anyway. Time to move on? ~Iain Brett Howard wrote on 07/24/08 11:26: > This is why you can simply change your LCD viewing angle setting and > make it to where the unused LCD segments are just barely visible. > Then you can easily see where you are going and what each direction > button will do for you. > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, alsopb <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Well George, some of us are rote memory folks and some of us are "figure it >> out" folks. >> >> Both types are needed in this world. >> I guess you're in the rote memory column. >> >> Get a little older, memorize the order (a useless thing to spend brain >> resources on in my opinion) and come back in two weeks of not using the >> radio. See if you still remember the order. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> >> George-122 wrote: >>> Why not put our brain's memory function to work and memorize where each >>> mode is from top to bottom on the K3 display? Then we will know whether >>> to press UP or DOWN to change modes. >>> >>> 73 from George, N4YM >>> K3 # 340 >>> K2 # 4750 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/RE%3A-Mode-Disable-----tp576985p580577.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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