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Great suggestion Greg.
I did not have an appropriate cable to hook into J1 on KEF3. So I unhooked it from KSYN3 and used the cable to J2 and some clips I had. I have an HP5343A counter slaved to an HP3801Z GPA stabilized 10MHz reference. Using this setup, I measured the frequency of the KREF3 (with KTCXO option) at 30 second intervals from cold start. Here is what I got: Time min:sec - Frequency 49.xxx.xxx MHz, only the KHz part is noted below: 0:00 - 361.250 0:30 - 361.261 1:00 - 361.306 1:30 - 365:350 big jump!! 2:00 - 377.346 another big jump!! 2:30 - 377.380 3:00 - 377.419 3:30 - 377.471 4:00 - 377.464 4:30 - 377.457 5:00 - 377.507 5:30 - 377.504 6:00 - 377.500 6:30 - 377.490 Turned off and on right away 377.405 Is this normal? Thanks for the suggestion to check this. I am now going to turn it on, wait for ten minutes, set the REF CAL and then do the VCO calibration. PS: I am also forwarding it to the elecraft list as the frequency drift seems interesting. Raj, N2RD Greg wrote: > Raj. You need to do the REF CAL procedure. If you do not have an accurate > frequency counter for method 1, use method two using USB/LSB to zero beat > WWV. Set the radio to 10.000 MHz or 15.000 MHz. Alternate between USB and > LSB while listening. Adjust the ref oscillator frequency so that there's > no change in the tones. > > What's probably happening is the RO is off by enough that when you use the > narrow filters you are loosing the signal as its outside the passband. > > Let me know how it goes. I'll be up for awhile longer. > > Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:37 PM > To: Greg > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity > > > It is the default 49.380Mhz. > > Raj > > Greg wrote: > >> Raj. What freq is your reference oscillator set to? >> >> Greg >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Rajiv Dewan, N2RD >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:49 PM >> To: [hidden email]; Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity >> >> >> Added note: the change in the DDS frequency occurs by just changing the >> filter width or selecting the narrower filters. >> >> Raj >> >> Rajiv Dewan, N2RD wrote: >> >> >>> I have 250Hz, 400Hz and 2.8KHz roofing filters installed. After >>> update to the latest firm ware I am noticing that the radio goes >>> really deaf when the 250Hz or the 400Hz filters are used. I have set >>> the appropriate gain of 4db and 2db, respectively for the 250Hz and >>> 400Hz filters. The FLX FRQ is 0.0 for all. But the deafness is much >>> more profound than a few dB. >>> >>> I noticed that the peak in my signal is not where CWT indicates >>> perfect tune >>> While I am tuned to a CW signal at 7.02706KHz, I turned on CONFIG:DDS >>> FRQ and noticed that this frequency changes from 3.581367 MHz to >>> 3.581579 MHz and the radio goes deaf. No change in tuned frequency. >>> I checked that the FL FREQ for these filters is 0.0. What gives? >>> >>> Does any of you have the same behavior? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Raj, N2RD >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Raj,
You have to read the manual when doing this....Please note this BOLD FACED caution on page 47. Before attempting reference calibration, allow the transceiver to warm up at room temperature for about 15 minutes (cover on). Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:38 PM To: Greg; [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft List Subject: REF OSC Frequency Great suggestion Greg. I did not have an appropriate cable to hook into J1 on KEF3. So I unhooked it from KSYN3 and used the cable to J2 and some clips I had. I have an HP5343A counter slaved to an HP3801Z GPA stabilized 10MHz reference. Using this setup, I measured the frequency of the KREF3 (with KTCXO option) at 30 second intervals from cold start. Here is what I got: Time min:sec - Frequency 49.xxx.xxx MHz, only the KHz part is noted below: 0:00 - 361.250 0:30 - 361.261 1:00 - 361.306 1:30 - 365:350 big jump!! 2:00 - 377.346 another big jump!! 2:30 - 377.380 3:00 - 377.419 3:30 - 377.471 4:00 - 377.464 4:30 - 377.457 5:00 - 377.507 5:30 - 377.504 6:00 - 377.500 6:30 - 377.490 Turned off and on right away 377.405 Is this normal? Thanks for the suggestion to check this. I am now going to turn it on, wait for ten minutes, set the REF CAL and then do the VCO calibration. PS: I am also forwarding it to the elecraft list as the frequency drift seems interesting. Raj, N2RD Greg wrote: > Raj. You need to do the REF CAL procedure. If you do not have an accurate > frequency counter for method 1, use method two using USB/LSB to zero beat > WWV. Set the radio to 10.000 MHz or 15.000 MHz. Alternate between USB and > LSB while listening. Adjust the ref oscillator frequency so that there's > no change in the tones. > > What's probably happening is the RO is off by enough that when you use the > narrow filters you are loosing the signal as its outside the passband. > > Let me know how it goes. I'll be up for awhile longer. > > Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:37 PM > To: Greg > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity > > > It is the default 49.380Mhz. > > Raj > > Greg wrote: > >> Raj. What freq is your reference oscillator set to? >> >> Greg >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Rajiv Dewan, N2RD >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:49 PM >> To: [hidden email]; Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity >> >> >> Added note: the change in the DDS frequency occurs by just changing the >> filter width or selecting the narrower filters. >> >> Raj >> >> Rajiv Dewan, N2RD wrote: >> >> >>> I have 250Hz, 400Hz and 2.8KHz roofing filters installed. After >>> update to the latest firm ware I am noticing that the radio goes >>> really deaf when the 250Hz or the 400Hz filters are used. I have set >>> the appropriate gain of 4db and 2db, respectively for the 250Hz and >>> 400Hz filters. The FLX FRQ is 0.0 for all. But the deafness is much >>> more profound than a few dB. >>> >>> I noticed that the peak in my signal is not where CWT indicates >>> perfect tune >>> While I am tuned to a CW signal at 7.02706KHz, I turned on CONFIG:DDS >>> FRQ and noticed that this frequency changes from 3.581367 MHz to >>> 3.581579 MHz and the radio goes deaf. No change in tuned frequency. >>> I checked that the FL FREQ for these filters is 0.0. What gives? >>> >>> Does any of you have the same behavior? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Raj, N2RD >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I know this is 3 hours early for those on the left coast, but we
greeted 2008 a few minutes ago here in North Carolina. Best wishes for a Happy and prosperous New Year to us all. 73, Don W3FPR _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I know this is 3 hours early for those on the left coast, but we > greeted 2008 a few minutes ago here in North Carolina. > > Best wishes for a Happy and prosperous New Year to us all. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > de k4dgw Dave Wilburn _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Greg,
You are right about the bold faced caution on Page 47 and indeed I waited long before doing the REF CAL, which I did using Method 2 with the cover closed. However, I am still surprised by the frequency excursion measured on start up. I did wait a lot longer and calibrated it using method 2, zero beating it with WWV. This was at ref cal value of 49,379,611, which is a lot closer to the frequency noted on the sheet that came with the TCXO - 49,379,964. With the ref cal set, I have re done VCO CAL and other calibrations. For now all seems to be as it should be. I have my fingers crossed. Thanks for your help, Raj Greg wrote: > Raj, > > You have to read the manual when doing this....Please note this BOLD FACED > caution on page 47. > > Before attempting reference calibration, > allow the transceiver to warm up at room > temperature for about 15 minutes (cover on). > > Greg > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:38 PM > To: Greg; [hidden email] > Cc: Elecraft List > Subject: REF OSC Frequency > > > Great suggestion Greg. > > I did not have an appropriate cable to hook into J1 on KEF3. So I > unhooked it from KSYN3 and used the cable to J2 and some clips I had. I > have an HP5343A counter slaved to an HP3801Z GPA stabilized 10MHz > reference. Using this setup, I measured the frequency of the KREF3 > (with KTCXO option) at 30 second intervals from cold start. Here is > what I got: > > Time min:sec - Frequency 49.xxx.xxx MHz, only the KHz part is noted below: > 0:00 - 361.250 > 0:30 - 361.261 > 1:00 - 361.306 > 1:30 - 365:350 big jump!! > 2:00 - 377.346 another big jump!! > 2:30 - 377.380 > 3:00 - 377.419 > 3:30 - 377.471 > 4:00 - 377.464 > 4:30 - 377.457 > 5:00 - 377.507 > 5:30 - 377.504 > 6:00 - 377.500 > 6:30 - 377.490 > > Turned off and on right away > > 377.405 > > Is this normal? > > Thanks for the suggestion to check this. I am now going to turn it on, > wait for ten minutes, set the REF CAL and then do the VCO calibration. > > PS: I am also forwarding it to the elecraft list as the frequency drift > seems interesting. > > Raj, N2RD > > > > > > > > Greg wrote: > >> Raj. You need to do the REF CAL procedure. If you do not have an >> > accurate > >> frequency counter for method 1, use method two using USB/LSB to zero beat >> WWV. Set the radio to 10.000 MHz or 15.000 MHz. Alternate between USB >> > and > >> LSB while listening. Adjust the ref oscillator frequency so that there's >> no change in the tones. >> >> What's probably happening is the RO is off by enough that when you use the >> narrow filters you are loosing the signal as its outside the passband. >> >> Let me know how it goes. I'll be up for awhile longer. >> >> Greg >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:37 PM >> To: Greg >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity >> >> >> It is the default 49.380Mhz. >> >> Raj >> >> Greg wrote: >> >> >>> Raj. What freq is your reference oscillator set to? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [hidden email] >>> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Rajiv Dewan, N2RD >>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:49 PM >>> To: [hidden email]; Elecraft List >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity >>> >>> >>> Added note: the change in the DDS frequency occurs by just changing the >>> filter width or selecting the narrower filters. >>> >>> Raj >>> >>> Rajiv Dewan, N2RD wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have 250Hz, 400Hz and 2.8KHz roofing filters installed. After >>>> update to the latest firm ware I am noticing that the radio goes >>>> really deaf when the 250Hz or the 400Hz filters are used. I have set >>>> the appropriate gain of 4db and 2db, respectively for the 250Hz and >>>> 400Hz filters. The FLX FRQ is 0.0 for all. But the deafness is much >>>> more profound than a few dB. >>>> >>>> I noticed that the peak in my signal is not where CWT indicates >>>> perfect tune >>>> While I am tuned to a CW signal at 7.02706KHz, I turned on CONFIG:DDS >>>> FRQ and noticed that this frequency changes from 3.581367 MHz to >>>> 3.581579 MHz and the radio goes deaf. No change in tuned frequency. >>>> I checked that the FL FREQ for these filters is 0.0. What gives? >>>> >>>> Does any of you have the same behavior? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Raj, N2RD >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Post to: [hidden email] >>>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Happy New Year to all from the chilly west slope of the Rocky Mountains
in Colorado. 73, Doug -- K0DXV Dave Wilburn wrote: > Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I know this is 3 hours early for those on the left coast, but we >> greeted 2008 a few minutes ago here in North Carolina. >> >> Best wishes for a Happy and prosperous New Year to us all. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > 73 es hpy nw yr > de k4dgw > > Dave Wilburn > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Don,
I was busy writing firmware when you wrote this note :) Snowy, windy, and chilly but this is the kind of weather to which I am accustomed for this day of celebration! May 2008 be our best of years. 73 and Happy New Year! (well, in two hours :) KJR -----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> >Sent: Jan 1, 2008 12:10 AM >To: Elecraft List <[hidden email]> >Subject: [Elecraft] Happy New Year > >I know this is 3 hours early for those on the left coast, but we >greeted 2008 a few minutes ago here in North Carolina. > >Best wishes for a Happy and prosperous New Year to us all. > >73, >Don W3FPR Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Anytime. Glad to help Raj.
73 Greg AB7R -----Original Message----- From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:42 PM To: Greg Cc: [hidden email]; Elecraft List Subject: Re: REF OSC Frequency Greg, You are right about the bold faced caution on Page 47 and indeed I waited long before doing the REF CAL, which I did using Method 2 with the cover closed. However, I am still surprised by the frequency excursion measured on start up. I did wait a lot longer and calibrated it using method 2, zero beating it with WWV. This was at ref cal value of 49,379,611, which is a lot closer to the frequency noted on the sheet that came with the TCXO - 49,379,964. With the ref cal set, I have re done VCO CAL and other calibrations. For now all seems to be as it should be. I have my fingers crossed. Thanks for your help, Raj Greg wrote: > Raj, > > You have to read the manual when doing this....Please note this BOLD FACED > caution on page 47. > > Before attempting reference calibration, > allow the transceiver to warm up at room > temperature for about 15 minutes (cover on). > > Greg > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:38 PM > To: Greg; [hidden email] > Cc: Elecraft List > Subject: REF OSC Frequency > > > Great suggestion Greg. > > I did not have an appropriate cable to hook into J1 on KEF3. So I > unhooked it from KSYN3 and used the cable to J2 and some clips I had. I > have an HP5343A counter slaved to an HP3801Z GPA stabilized 10MHz > reference. Using this setup, I measured the frequency of the KREF3 > (with KTCXO option) at 30 second intervals from cold start. Here is > what I got: > > Time min:sec - Frequency 49.xxx.xxx MHz, only the KHz part is noted > 0:00 - 361.250 > 0:30 - 361.261 > 1:00 - 361.306 > 1:30 - 365:350 big jump!! > 2:00 - 377.346 another big jump!! > 2:30 - 377.380 > 3:00 - 377.419 > 3:30 - 377.471 > 4:00 - 377.464 > 4:30 - 377.457 > 5:00 - 377.507 > 5:30 - 377.504 > 6:00 - 377.500 > 6:30 - 377.490 > > Turned off and on right away > > 377.405 > > Is this normal? > > Thanks for the suggestion to check this. I am now going to turn it on, > wait for ten minutes, set the REF CAL and then do the VCO calibration. > > PS: I am also forwarding it to the elecraft list as the frequency drift > seems interesting. > > Raj, N2RD > > > > > > > > Greg wrote: > >> Raj. You need to do the REF CAL procedure. If you do not have an >> > accurate > >> frequency counter for method 1, use method two using USB/LSB to zero beat >> WWV. Set the radio to 10.000 MHz or 15.000 MHz. Alternate between USB >> > and > >> LSB while listening. Adjust the ref oscillator frequency so that >> no change in the tones. >> >> What's probably happening is the RO is off by enough that when you use the >> narrow filters you are loosing the signal as its outside the passband. >> >> Let me know how it goes. I'll be up for awhile longer. >> >> Greg >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rajiv Dewan, N2RD [mailto:[hidden email]] >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:37 PM >> To: Greg >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity >> >> >> It is the default 49.380Mhz. >> >> Raj >> >> Greg wrote: >> >> >>> Raj. What freq is your reference oscillator set to? >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [hidden email] >>> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Rajiv Dewan, N2RD >>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:49 PM >>> To: [hidden email]; Elecraft List >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 #170 CW Filter oddity >>> >>> >>> Added note: the change in the DDS frequency occurs by just changing the >>> filter width or selecting the narrower filters. >>> >>> Raj >>> >>> Rajiv Dewan, N2RD wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have 250Hz, 400Hz and 2.8KHz roofing filters installed. After >>>> update to the latest firm ware I am noticing that the radio goes >>>> really deaf when the 250Hz or the 400Hz filters are used. I have set >>>> the appropriate gain of 4db and 2db, respectively for the 250Hz and >>>> 400Hz filters. The FLX FRQ is 0.0 for all. But the deafness is much >>>> more profound than a few dB. >>>> >>>> I noticed that the peak in my signal is not where CWT indicates >>>> perfect tune >>>> While I am tuned to a CW signal at 7.02706KHz, I turned on CONFIG:DDS >>>> FRQ and noticed that this frequency changes from 3.581367 MHz to >>>> 3.581579 MHz and the radio goes deaf. No change in tuned frequency. >>>> I checked that the FL FREQ for these filters is 0.0. What gives? >>>> >>>> Does any of you have the same behavior? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Raj, N2RD >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Post to: [hidden email] >>>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 12/31/2007 3:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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