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RIBBON MICROPHONE

Ed Stallman
Hello , I'm  A  new K3 user and I would like to be sure this
Microphone will work with the K3 before placing my order ... Please
have a look here

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mxl-r144-ribbon-microphone

I have friends using this Mic on other radio's without audio gear and
they all sound very natural , Also will I be able to use the rear Mic
Jack ? I'm hoping I can to help keep clutter from up front .

Thanks Ed

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Re: RIBBON MICROPHONE

P.B. Christensen
You can use a ribbon mic with the K3, but be aware that the pattern is
bi-directional, and this model doesn't appear to allow the user to alter the
pattern, unlike say...a poly-directional RCA 77Dx.  Side rejection will be
good but the amplitude response from rear-arriving sound will be the same as
forward arriving.  I wouldn't use this mic for that reason alone.

You can connect the mic to the K3's rear-panel mic connector, using the same
methods of interconnect for other balanced-output mics into the unbalanced
input of the K3.  Ensure that the K3's mic bias is deactivated.  It should
EQ nicely with the K3's internal equalizer.

Paul, W9AC



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Subject: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE


> Hello , I'm  A  new K3 user and I would like to be sure this
> Microphone will work with the K3 before placing my order ... Please
> have a look here
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mxl-r144-ribbon-microphone
>
> I have friends using this Mic on other radio's without audio gear and
> they all sound very natural , Also will I be able to use the rear Mic
> Jack ? I'm hoping I can to help keep clutter from up front .
>
> Thanks Ed
>
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Re: RIBBON MICROPHONE

Bruce McLaughlin-2
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As the previous response indicated, there is no fundamental reason why you
cannot use this microphone with the K3. However, as also indicated there are
some drawbacks. As already mentioned, it appears this particular model does
not have directional controls and so it will be bidirectional and sensitive
to noise from the rear. And you should be aware that ribbon microphones are
very sensitive to shock and vibration and can be easily damaged. They are
also very sensitive to wind blasts, which if sufficient, can break the
ribbon. And finally, they usually exhibit very strong proximity effects. You
should be careful not to work too closely to this microphone or the bass
response will be considerably enhanced which is not particularly helpful for
SSB communication. I would work no closer than a foot from the microphone to
avoid not only accentuating the base but also to prevent plosives or, as
sometimes called, "P pops" which result from words having a P at the
beginning and sometimes other letters such as B. In other words, a ribbon
microphone should sound very nice if appropriate precautions are taken in
its use.

Bruce

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Subject: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE

Hello , I'm  A  new K3 user and I would like to be sure this Microphone will
work with the K3 before placing my order ... Please have a look here

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mxl-r144-ribbon-microphone

I have friends using this Mic on other radio's without audio gear and they
all sound very natural , Also will I be able to use the rear Mic Jack ? I'm
hoping I can to help keep clutter from up front .

Thanks Ed

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Re: RIBBON MICROPHONE

Jim Brown-10
On 8/6/2011 10:39 AM, Bruce McLaughlin wrote:
>   the previous response indicated, there is no fundamental reason why you
> cannot use this microphone with the K3. However, as also indicated there are
> some drawbacks. As already mentioned, it appears this particular model does
> not have directional controls and so it will be bidirectional and sensitive
> to noise from the rear. And you should be aware that ribbon microphones are
> very sensitive to shock and vibration and can be easily damaged.

YES! A ribbon mic would be a VERY poor choice for use with any ham rig.

I'm an audio professional, and I own and love three fine ribbon mics. I
use them for recording trumpet, banjo, and some voices. I wouldn't dream
of using them in my ham station.  They are delicate (easily broken),
very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end
of the voice (very bad for ham radio).

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: RIBBON MICROPHONE

k6dgw
Indeed.  Being just a tad more naive than Jim, a condition that persists
to this day, my first college job included sign-on in early AM as the
only employee in the studio of a small FM station.  I used a fairly
large and clunky RCA ribbon mic on a desk stand in front of the board.
Everyone has seen them in old movies and the like, sort of prismatic in
shape.  I made a number of airchecks of the sign-on litany and
discovered that if I closed way up on the mic and spoke softly, I could
turn a 17-yr old voice into something a couple of octaves below Vaughn
Monroe.  It would have been a very poor mic for ham radio.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

On 8/14/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> I wouldn't dream
> of using them in my ham station.  They are delicate (easily broken),
> very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end
> of the voice (very bad for ham radio).
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Re: RIBBON MICROPHONE

Mel
Well, I disagree.  I use a Cascade Fat Head ribbon microphone on my Bauer 707 AM transmitter and the reports are very flattering.  Now, I agree if you are using a narrow sideband filter, it won't help you much, but then on my K3, when I do move the ribbon mike into position, I use the 6 KHz filter and the equalizer section turns the audio into a pleasant performer.  I do use a puff filter in front to get rid of the "breathiness" issue.  To each his own.  IMHO, Cheers,

Mel, K6KBE



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Indeed.  Being just a tad more naive than Jim, a condition that persists
to this day, my first college job included sign-on in early AM as the
only employee in the studio of a small FM station.  I used a fairly
large and clunky RCA ribbon mic on a desk stand in front of the board.
Everyone has seen them in old movies and the like, sort of prismatic in
shape.  I made a number of airchecks of the sign-on litany and
discovered that if I closed way up on the mic and spoke softly, I could
turn a 17-yr old voice into something a couple of octaves below Vaughn
Monroe.  It would have been a very poor mic for ham radio.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

On 8/14/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> I wouldn't dream
> of using them in my ham station.  They are delicate (easily broken),
> very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end
> of the voice (very bad for ham radio).
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Re: RIBBON MICROPHONE

ny9h@arrl.net
To each his own,,,,,is right.....

After 30years working under contract with sennheiser, then akg ,then shure brothers I learned how silky smooth a  $ .40  element can sound when properly enclosed in anything cute....

I must confess after being away from the mic biz for a few years it is amazing how many new players there in the " boutique " area of the biz,

I had never heard of cascade,,,,,,

But then must not forget, that David Letterman has a unconnected heil on his desk for looks.
It's even facing in the wrong direction, and it is not a bi-directional ribbon......


Bill. In prosperity

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On Aug 14, 2011, at 18:23, Mel Farrer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well, I disagree.  I use a Cascade Fat Head ribbon microphone on my Bauer 707 AM transmitter and the reports are very flattering.  Now, I agree if you are using a narrow sideband filter, it won't help you much, but then on my K3, when I do move the ribbon mike into position, I use the 6 KHz filter and the equalizer section turns the audio into a pleasant performer.  I do use a puff filter in front to get rid of the "breathiness" issue.  To each his own.  IMHO, Cheers,
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>
>
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> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RIBBON MICROPHONE
>
> Indeed.  Being just a tad more naive than Jim, a condition that persists
> to this day, my first college job included sign-on in early AM as the
> only employee in the studio of a small FM station.  I used a fairly
> large and clunky RCA ribbon mic on a desk stand in front of the board.
> Everyone has seen them in old movies and the like, sort of prismatic in
> shape.  I made a number of airchecks of the sign-on litany and
> discovered that if I closed way up on the mic and spoke softly, I could
> turn a 17-yr old voice into something a couple of octaves below Vaughn
> Monroe.  It would have been a very poor mic for ham radio.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 8/14/2011 11:48 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> I wouldn't dream
>> of using them in my ham station.  They are delicate (easily broken),
>> very subject to P-popping and breathe noise, and emphasize the low end
>> of the voice (very bad for ham radio).
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