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The FTDI drivers mostly work with the legitimate FTDI chips, but not always,
because FTDI screwed up. The latest FTDI drivers won't work with the counterfeit chips, but the remedy is simple - use an older driver and disable Windows Update (which I don't like anyway). The difference between buying a key for the wrong lock is that the key does not attempt to destroy the inside of the lock (unless you hit it with a hammer <grin>). The latest FTDI driver attempts to disable the internals of the chip itself and sometimes manages to hit genuine chips. They caught a cold on that one and have apparently been forced to withdraw it. That hit their reputation far more than the counterfeits which they did not manufacture. I purchased a programming cable for a TYT hand-held from a 'reputable' supplier and that turned out to be a fake. What should happen is that the cable should be returned, a refund issued and the driver manufacturer informed but that would involve one company wasting time on another's business and in these days where time is money, it doesn't happen. In the meantime I just wanna program my rig, so I find the easiest way out - install an earlier driver. Yes, it's wrong but I don't have time to do others' bidding, and the only way I know if there's a 'bum' chip in the cable is by buying it first and using it. We can all be "holier than thou" when it comes to what other people should do, but when it's ourselves, we all tend to do what it takes to get the result we want, even committing minor crime. Show me one person who has never bent the rules for their own small gain and I'll show you a liar! 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Brian Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:13 AM To: G4GNX Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Let me see. The FTDI drivers work only on their legitimate chips. They don't work on the counterfeit chips. OK so far? If you try and use FTDI drivers for counterfeit chips failure will result. That's OK too. I don't know what kind of drivers are sent with counterfeit chip or whether they even work. If you try and upgrade the drivers to legit FTDI ones, they will fail. What would you expect? This really is no different than buying a key for a lock. It works on that lock and doesn't work on other locks. The real issue: how does one know that have a genuine FTDI chip in the USB/RS232 converter purchased. This takes some homework and finding a reliable source. One has to realize that manufacturers have to try an protect their products from counterfeit knock offs. Their bottom line and reputation is at stake. 73 de Brian/K3KO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Alan:
Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a band. Brian KD0HII -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of G4GNX Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 04:50 To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement If the guys at Elecraft don’t pick this up, I will submit it directly, but I also wanted to get opinions. I have only recently acquired a K3 and due to home circumstances, I’ve not had time to exploit its full potential. In fact I’ve only transmitted into a dummy load! In the meantime, I am still using my Icom IC7100, until I can get the shack moved indoors and hook everything up to my satisfaction. The jury’s out on whether I will eventually sell off the IC7100, because it does have many features that the K3 does not, but in some areas it does not perform nearly as well as the K3s. Apart from the 2M, 70cm, D-STAR native capability, the IC7100 does have one feature that I often find useful – ‘beeps’ when I tune past the Amateur Band edges. It’s a small nicety which helps in my constant quest to be lazy. Smile It saves me having to stop and think “where are the band edges” on bands that I don’t use very much without looking them up. So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper. I appreciate that although it’s a small ask, it may be a major programming headache, but hopefully worth consideration and would help to further set the K3 above the rest. I also notice that if I tune way out if band, the background noise diminishes noticeably and I presume that the sensitivity has markedly decreased? The problem with using that as a band-edge marker is that you have to tune a long way out of band before anything noticeable happens. 73, Alan. G4GNX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Jim,
I agree and disagree. > vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. > Behringer established a reputation for doing > that a decade or so ago, and the pro audio > community condemned them (as did at least one > court). Yes they should be condemned and punished. > Those who buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors > should not be surprised when it turns out to be > stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial > interface cables of known good quality. The real > stuff usually does cost more than junk. Punishing unknowing customers -- and most will not know they bought items with these problems, since vendors of good repute occasionally make mistakes and most of us cannot track the source of each chip in a product -- is just plain wrong-headed of FTDI. May they suffer the consequences to their reputation. 73, Phil W7OX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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What version of the firmware are you running?
From: Brian Linn <[hidden email]> To: 'G4GNX' <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement Alan: Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a band. Brian KD0HII -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of G4GNX Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 04:50 To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement If the guys at Elecraft don’t pick this up, I will submit it directly, but I also wanted to get opinions. I have only recently acquired a K3 and due to home circumstances, I’ve not had time to exploit its full potential. In fact I’ve only transmitted into a dummy load! In the meantime, I am still using my Icom IC7100, until I can get the shack moved indoors and hook everything up to my satisfaction. The jury’s out on whether I will eventually sell off the IC7100, because it does have many features that the K3 does not, but in some areas it does not perform nearly as well as the K3s. Apart from the 2M, 70cm, D-STAR native capability, the IC7100 does have one feature that I often find useful – ‘beeps’ when I tune past the Amateur Band edges. It’s a small nicety which helps in my constant quest to be lazy. Smile It saves me having to stop and think “where are the band edges” on bands that I don’t use very much without looking them up. So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper. I appreciate that although it’s a small ask, it may be a major programming headache, but hopefully worth consideration and would help to further set the K3 above the rest. I also notice that if I tune way out if band, the background noise diminishes noticeably and I presume that the sensitivity has markedly decreased? The problem with using that as a band-edge marker is that you have to tune a long way out of band before anything noticeable happens. 73, Alan. G4GNX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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> Alan:
> Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a > band. > Brian KD0HII It only does this when you try to transmit beyond the band edge. I believe what Alan (an others) have asked for, is a beep when tuning the VFO beyond a band edge, while receiving. This has been discussed many times in the past. Some people want it for their particular country's band plan, other for their particular license class. I hope we don't get into another drawn-out debate over this (again). Bruce N1RX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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It would be a nice Enhancement but as I see it it should just be for the Band Edges.
Incentive to Upgrade ;) From: Bruce Beford <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 enhancement > Alan: > Mine beeps and displays BND END and does so at precisely the edge of a > band. > Brian KD0HII It only does this when you try to transmit beyond the band edge. I believe what Alan (an others) have asked for, is a beep when tuning the VFO beyond a band edge, while receiving. This has been discussed many times in the past. Some people want it for their particular country's band plan, other for their particular license class. I hope we don't get into another drawn-out debate over this (again). Bruce N1RX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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You are correct.
It's been around longer than USB on laptops and you could get PCMCIA cards for just about everything. Ethernet, 56K modems, serial port, "Air Cards" (cell phones for your laptop), etc.... With that said I don't use laptops. They're slow compared to a desktop, they're comparatively expensive compared to desktops, they're fragile and almost impossible for average computer user to repair. I use desktops and I build my own. The ultimate "no solder kit". Each one of mine has three RS-232 ports. One is a dongle from the RS-232 header on the motherboard. The mobo manufacturers haven't abandoned RS-232...they just don't supply the 9 pin port anymore. Each one of mine has an PCI-1X expansion card with two ports. Four port cards are available. I don't have to dork around with adapters and try to keep track of who has counterfeit chips and who doesn't and which version of the drivers work with which version of the chips. One very good reason for Elecraft to not just walk away but RUN away from including USB ports on their products. I do have one USB adapter.... for programming my Chinese handhelds with CHIRP. I paid more for an FTDI chip set. On 10/25/2014 7:36 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > My impression is that PCMCIA aka PC Card, I think, went away some > years ago. None of my three laptops has that feature. > > Phil W7OX -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In a recent message, G4GNX <[hidden email]> writes
So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper. This has been discussed many times, Alan; look back though the archives and you will find them. The problem is that we don't all share the same band edges. 160m, 80m, 60, 40m, 2m, among others in the UK are different from those in the USA. If we had the USA band edges we would certainly have the risk of operating outside our bands. Surely, with the clear display of the K3 and a copy of our licence document by our side, most of us have sufficient nous to keep within our bands. Eventually, you will learn what the band edges are. 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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All been discussed before.
A far better place to put band-edge beepers would be in a logging program, where various files with the myriad allocation schemes could be input by the user to match that particular user's country, license class and mode, etc. The outside allocation warning could include flashing lights, disrespectful remarks, and a tattle-tail email sent to your mother. This would be much easier to keep up than anything kept in firmware, with memory restraints from ten years ago. Need to leave the K3's memory for things that *must* be in the K3. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:44 PM, David G4DMP <[hidden email]> wrote: > In a recent message, G4GNX <[hidden email]> writes > So, my suggestion for small enhancement is a band-edge beeper. > > This has been discussed many times, Alan; look back though the archives > and you will find them. The problem is that we don't all share the same > band edges. 160m, 80m, 60, 40m, 2m, among others in the UK are different > from those in the USA. If we had the USA band edges we would certainly > have the risk of operating outside our bands. > > Surely, with the clear display of the K3 and a copy of our licence > document by our side, most of us have sufficient nous to keep within our > bands. Eventually, you will learn what the band edges are. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > -- > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | > | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 19:59, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> [snip] > The outside allocation warning could include flashing lights, > disrespectful remarks, and a tattle-tail email sent to your mother. > > This has to have the award for funniest remark this month! So far.... 73 Graham ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with FTDI's drivers. The did not "steal" or "destroy" the device - only mark it as a fraud. The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI device. > FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go) producer. Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the stolen designs to those using the stolen designs. > To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling > stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You > confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, > keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. You're wrong again. If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency. You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate currency. The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the Treasury where it will be destroyed. You will be lucky if you do not hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: > Joe. > > Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-) > > Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate > and disable their driver. > > FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your > government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you > don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and > you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at > all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the > currency and say nothing. > > If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to > approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting > stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to > stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because > there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and > money before principles! :-( > > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM > To: Joe Subich, W4TV > Cc: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface > > Good grief...... > > No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. > > Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know? > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> >>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than >>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know? >>> >> >> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you >> received it from someone else? ... or should you be allowed to >> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole >> it? >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Folks - Here is not the place to argue about topics like this.
End of thread. 73, Eric List moderator, when required.. elecraft.com On 10/27/2014 12:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified > the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with > FTDI's drivers. The did not "steal" or "destroy" the device - only > mark it as a fraud. The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or > obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI > device. > >> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. > > To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a > small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go) > producer. Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the > stolen designs to those using the stolen designs. > >> To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling >> stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You >> confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, >> keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. > > You're wrong again. If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with > counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors > for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency. > You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate > currency. The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the > Treasury where it will be destroyed. You will be lucky if you do not > hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: >> Joe. >> >> Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-) >> >> Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate >> and disable their driver. >> >> FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your >> government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you >> don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and >> you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at >> all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the >> currency and say nothing. >> >> If FTDI can't afford their own "police force" they do have the option to >> approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting >> stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to >> stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because >> there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and >> money before principles! :-( >> >> >> 73, >> >> Alan. G4GNX >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory >> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM >> To: Joe Subich, W4TV >> Cc: Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface >> >> Good grief...... >> >> No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. >> >> Oh well, like i dsid....what would i know? >> >> Gary >> Vk1ZZ >> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >> On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >>> >>>> Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than >>>> lazy to my way of thinking....but what would i know? >>>> >>> >>> Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you >>> received it from someone else? ... or should you be allowed to >>> keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole >>> it? >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I have up dated my K3 to the latest Beta FW to cure the ticking sounds
when using it with the K30 mini under remote control. The ticking still occurs, and I assume that I also have to up date the FW in the K30 mini as well? How do you connect the K30 mini to the K3 util to allow for FW up dates. My K3 util dose not see my K3 0 mini using the supplied USB cable. Howard AE3T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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