RST v. Pre-Amp...?
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My K2 being my first rig with a switchable preamp,
I find myself wondering which RST I should give, in a situation where I think the other op is interested in the "real or "actual" RST, whatever that might mean. Is it the strength with or without the pre-amp switched in? Which would YOU prefer to hear? I tend to give the RST as it appears with the rig set for optimal reception: sometimes with, sometimes without. LL/K1+2+X1 __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Signal strength is all relative unless everyone has a calibrated S-meter
using the same parameters. I would give him the report I have using the rig in the mode I'm in at the present. Whether or not that you have a preamp running shouldn't matter as its all subjective. If he wants to know the amount of signal actually making it to your rig from your antenna, then you have to decide how you calibrated your s-meter. Of course you can 3 different antennas hooked up and have 3 different reports for him/her (9 if you count preamp in/out and attenuator). I personally don't care what my signal level is to the receiving station, I just want to know my RS or RST. If I have a clean signal and am extremely or comfortably readable that is the desired result. Now if I'm testing out different antennas, or course I'm going to want to know the difference is S readings, but that should only tell me that the antenna is working better or worse to the other station. These are my personal comments, and after 40 plus years of ham radio, we all know every report is subjective...there is no definitive reporting system. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Un-Retired K2/100 SN 3075 http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Lachow" <[hidden email]> To: "List Elecraft" <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: [Elecraft] RST v. Pre-Amp...? > My K2 being my first rig with a switchable preamp, > I find myself wondering which RST I should give, in a > situation where I think the other op is interested in > the "real or "actual" RST, whatever that might mean. > > Is it the strength with or without the pre-amp > switched in? Which would YOU prefer to hear? > > I tend to give the RST as it appears with the rig > set for optimal reception: sometimes with, sometimes > without. > > LL/K1+2+X1 > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it > out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Lloyd Lachow
Lloyd,
The world of signal reports is not really well defined, and often a signal can receive a 599 (or 59) report even if the s-meter is at the bottom - it all depends on how crowded or noisy the band is at the time. Just report what you think or what you see on the meter and all will be well. Where an s-meter comes in handy is for doing comparisons - for instance, if you are ragchewing with 2 stations, you can say that one station is 2 S Units stronger than the other. It is also handy for making comparisons between antennas if you can depend on the power of the signal you are listening to will stay constant while you switch antennas (and there is no QSB on the band). 73, Don W3FPR > -----Original Message----- > > My K2 being my first rig with a switchable preamp, > I find myself wondering which RST I should give, in a > situation where I think the other op is interested in > the "real or "actual" RST, whatever that might mean. > > Is it the strength with or without the pre-amp > switched in? Which would YOU prefer to hear? > > I tend to give the RST as it appears with the rig > set for optimal reception: sometimes with, sometimes > without. > > LL/K1+2+X1 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.3/15 - Release Date: 6/14/2005 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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here is one for all of you......
When doing PSK, how does one determine "599"?? Ron wb1hga _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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here is one for all of you......
When doing PSK, how does one determine "599"?? Ron wb1hga ------------------------ And why are we using CW abbreviations on PSK? If you work me, you'll hear me say that your signal is 100% copy, or 50% copy or somesuch, plus perhaps a few words about why if there's something unusual like a lot of interference, high noise level, etc. Um... I should warn you that you're likely to hear me say that your QSA5 or QSA3 on CW too. Sometimes I get ornery and drop the RST stuff altogether <G>. The QSA codes used on commercial radiotelegraph always made more sense to me once we were all transmitting nice T-9 signals. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Wednesday 15 June 2005 07:54 pm, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > If you work me, you'll hear me say that your signal is 100% copy, or 50% > copy or somesuch, plus perhaps a few words about why if there's something > unusual like a lot of interference, high noise level, etc. > > Um... I should warn you that you're likely to hear me say that your QSA5 or > QSA3 on CW too. Sometimes I get ornery and drop the RST stuff altogether > <G>. The QSA codes used on commercial radiotelegraph always made more sense > to me once we were all transmitting nice T-9 signals. > Hahahaha! Cool, I smiled 'cause thats what I get from other folks sending me reports. I'm like, how do they figure 559 or whatever?? Like you, I send percentage figure, seems more accurate. See you on the bands Ron wb1hga "CW, an esoteric experience" _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by roncasa
On June 15, 2005 19:14, [hidden email] wrote:
> here is one for all of you...... > > When doing PSK, how does one determine "599"?? > > Ron wb1hga Ron, Take a look at http://www.psb-info.net/ You can see the proposed PSB (print strength bandwidth) or RSQ (readability strength quality) are a compact way of describing a PSK31 signal. The respective reporting tables are at. http://www.psb-info.net/Reporting-Table.html http://www.psb-info.net/RSQ-Reporting-Table.html I use these schemes when reporting but often avoid calling it PSB or RSQ to avoid lengthy explanations or the sending of URLs . Although, I accept that giving that qualifying information could be useful to the receiving operator. If I receive a "579" or a "339", for example, I have a pretty good idea how my signal is being received. If the third digit is not a "9" then I will ask for more information on the IMD etc. Alan VA3STL K2 #2674 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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