Raised K3DSPUPGD price?

[DC1RS]

Did I miss something? When was the price for the K3DSPUPGD raised?
A couple of days ago it was still $69,95 and today I saw it is $89,95.
Too bad there was no announcement about. I would have placed an order before.

For one who think "stop whining" please consider that you'll have add another 100 bucks for s&h, tax and s&h the old part back over the pond.


Merry Christmas to everyone & 73 de Roland, DC1RS

[Dick Grolleman]

What is the price without sending the old one back?
Might be cheaper

73 de Dick PA3FQA
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>
> Did I miss something? When was the price for the K3DSPUPGD raised?
> A couple of days ago it was still $69,95 and today I saw it is $89,95.
> Too bad there was no announcement about. I would have placed an order
> before.
>
> For one who think "stop whining" please consider that you'll have add
> another 100 bucks for s&h, tax and s&h the old part back over the pond.
>
>
> Merry Christmas to everyone & 73 de Roland, DC1RS
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[Julian, G4ILO]

Dick Grolleman wrote

What is the price without sending the old one back?
Might be cheaper

I think someone said a few days ago the full price of the DSP board was over $300.

Even the exchange price is a lot to pay for a small improvement in audio, when the primary DSP functionality remains unchanged. If you try some high impedance headphones you may well find, as I did, that there is nothing to be gained by replacing the board.

[Val-12]

Roland,

Yes, 2 way trip of the DSP board is not worth while for us, DXs.
Fortunately, changing 2 capacitors is easy job and hope that LPF plate will
be available alone. And there is another solution, if you need better low
frequency response. Simply plug the headphones in the loudspeaker jack.

73 and Happy Holidays,  Val LZ1VB

>
> Did I miss something? When was the price for the K3DSPUPGD raised?
> A couple of days ago it was still $69,95 and today I saw it is $89,95.
> Too bad there was no announcement about. I would have placed an order
> before.
>
> For one who think "stop whining" please consider that you'll have add
> another 100 bucks for s&h, tax and s&h the old part back over the pond.
>
>
> Merry Christmas to everyone & 73 de Roland, DC1RS
>

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[CLEFF321]

I installed the K3DSPUPGD this past Saturday.  It took about 30  minutes
including finding the dropped washers from the floor.
 
The results are delightful.  The sound is cleaner and not nearly as  
fatiguing as before particularly on narrow bandwidth CW.  Mine is one of  the
early K3s.   The cost is very reasonable considering the  results.
 
Merry Christmas, 73,
 
AB4VF
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[DaveL G3TJP]

The K3DSPUPGD was expensive at the old price, bearing in mind the cost of carriage and return.  Now the price is verging on the obscene.  For the money you'll get a Rev B board with a few component changes and the added LPF board.

For those who can use a soldering iron, the W9AC bass enhancement mods work perfectly well, so keep fingers crossed that the LPF, when it appears, is priced fairly.  

Is it right that we're being asked to pay through the nose for things that are correcting shortfalls in the original design?

73  DaveL
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[srife]

        Not a shortfall on Elecrafts end. They designed it that way.
Consumers have driven some of the changes that have been made, like this
one. If Elecraft gets enough feedback on a certain item, then they redesign
to address the wants and needs of the consumer. You certainly can't get that
kind of response from YaeKenCom or ComYaeWood or Fucumyung or whatever.

        If you don't like the price, then don't buy it. Personally, I feel
like it's a bargain considering what I have invested in the radio. As they
continue to come out with mods that will improve my K3, then I'll continue
to buy them, or in the matter of the FREE mods I'll continue to request
them.

        If your gonna play, you gotta pay.  :-)



Stan Rife
W5EWA


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Raised K3DSPUPGD price?

The K3DSPUPGD was expensive at the old price, bearing in mind the cost of
carriage and return.  Now the price is verging on the obscene.  For the
money you'll get a Rev B board with a few component changes and the added
LPF board.

For those who can use a soldering iron, the W9AC bass enhancement mods work
perfectly well, so keep fingers crossed that the LPF, when it appears, is
priced fairly.  

Is it right that we're being asked to pay through the nose for things that
are correcting shortfalls in the original design?

73  DaveL
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[Doug Turnbull]

Hi All,
    I feel that Elecraft is allowing us to update to the latest version of
the radio and these suits me fine.   My costs will include VAT (sales tax)
at 21% plus shipping to EI land so it is not cheap but nor was the K3 until
you compare performance and price with other manufacturers.   This is an
option and not required.   The radio was not so much deficient but improved!


    Perhaps the W9AC modifications are the way for most to go.   Maybe
Elecraft feels that selling the filter board on its own will cause too many
people problems with installation.   Surface mount is a different game and
with so many of us old goats not able to see and with wobbly hands might
Elecraft be protecting themselves from ourselves.   One may object to this
but it is a corporate decision which may save Elecraft much trouble - I do
not know.   I do know that there is no other radio company serving its user
base so well.   We are treated like family.

              Happy Christmas and Holidays
                    Doug EI2CN

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Raised K3DSPUPGD price?

The K3DSPUPGD was expensive at the old price, bearing in mind the cost of
carriage and return.  Now the price is verging on the obscene.  For the
money you'll get a Rev B board with a few component changes and the added
LPF board.

For those who can use a soldering iron, the W9AC bass enhancement mods work
perfectly well, so keep fingers crossed that the LPF, when it appears, is
priced fairly.  

Is it right that we're being asked to pay through the nose for things that
are correcting shortfalls in the original design?

73  DaveL
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[Julian, G4ILO]

srife wrote

        Not a shortfall on Elecrafts end. They designed it that way.
Consumers have driven some of the changes that have been made, like this
one. If Elecraft gets enough feedback on a certain item, then they redesign
to address the wants and needs of the consumer. You certainly can't get that
kind of response from YaeKenCom or ComYaeWood or Fucumyung or whatever.

        If you don't like the price, then don't buy it. Personally, I feel
like it's a bargain considering what I have invested in the radio. As they
continue to come out with mods that will improve my K3, then I'll continue
to buy them, or in the matter of the FREE mods I'll continue to request
them.

        If your gonna play, you gotta pay.  :-)

As you say, no-one is forcing anyone to upgrade. I don't think K3DSPUPGD is an essential upgrade. There are workarounds: use high impedance headphones, plug the phones into the rear speaker socket or do the mods yourself (at your risk) as a few people have done.

But I wonder if the promised fix to the synthesizer microphony issue will be another board swap? Upgrading just to keep your K3 "current" is something you can choose to do or not, if you can afford it. But from the indignant emails I got in response to my daring to suggest that the microphony-induced spurii were not a big issue I think that many are not going to consider that an optional modification, and some of those folks may be unhappy if they are asked to pay for it.

It may well be worth hanging on to see what happens with that one. It might be better to sell early model K3s unmodified and then buy a new one in a few months time with all the latest modifications, including all the minor improvements Elecraft has made along the way - the so-called "secret" modifications that some people seem to know about. (Don't ask me, I've only heard the rumours.)

[David Pratt]

In a recent message, "Julian, G4ILO" <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>But I wonder if the promised fix to the synthesizer microphony issue will be
>another board swap?

Are you sure it is a microphony issue, Julian?   I find that if I flick
one of the interconnecting cables to the KRX2 I get an effect just like
microphony, but it would appear merely to be vibration of the cables.

73
--
David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
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[DC1RS]

Sorry guys, I didn't wanted to start an arguing about if it is cheap or expensive, who have to pay more for s&h or if it is necessary or not.
It just surprised me to see that it is suddenly $20 more without an announcement like before.
I didn't wanted to upgrade because of the better audio or the noisy receiver where all the hype was about the last days and the K3DSPUPGD was pointed as a solution. I'm satisfied with the audio as it is and also have no noisy receiver.
I wanted the board for the DSP-LPF as I'm sensitive for the high-pitched noise because of a sudden deafness. But for this I consider it now to much and the DSP-LPF board which some already use is still not in sight.

I hope I could straighten things out a bit with this post. Remember it's christmas eve, so please be gentle to each other and stop arguing, think we have bigger problems in this world than this.

A very merry christmas to everyone,
73 de Roland, DC1RS

[Vic K2VCO]

Julian, G4ILO wrote:

> As you say, no-one is forcing anyone to upgrade. I don't think K3DSPUPGD is
> an essential upgrade. There are workarounds: use high impedance headphones,
> plug the phones into the rear speaker socket or do the mods yourself (at
> your risk) as a few people have done.

I totally agree. I am using 32-ohm phones which I bought at a local 'Guitar Center' store
and they sound great, plenty of low-end. They cost about $90, but they are also
comfortable and well-constructed and have already lasted longer than several pairs of
cheaper phones (I am tough on phones).

There seems to be a feeling in some quarters (I don't mean you necessarily) that every
time Elecraft makes an improvement or a fix, every owner of the product should get it for
free! Try telling this to your local automobile dealer.

> But I wonder if the promised fix to the synthesizer microphony issue will be
> another board swap? Upgrading just to keep your K3 "current" is something
> you can choose to do or not, if you can afford it. But from the indignant
> emails I got in response to my daring to suggest that the microphony-induced
> spurii were not a big issue I think that many are not going to consider that
> an optional modification, and some of those folks may be unhappy if they are
> asked to pay for it.

Look, there are always problems with every radio, and the more complicated and/or advanced
it is, the more problems there will be. In the past, you either lived with the problems,
fixed them yourself, or sold the radio. Elecraft has broken new ground by making fixes
available for almost every reported issue.

There will be a solution to this one too, perhaps involving the speaker mounting or adding
some absorbent material. I strongly doubt that a board swap will be necessary.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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