Re: 2-30 MHz Transmit? MARS
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> ...Military Amateur Radio System...
> ...Military Affiliate Radio System... > ...Military Auxiliary Radio System... MARS has stood for *all three* of the above proposed phrases since its creation after WWII for the Army and (later) Air Force as a formal organization of military and amateur stations operating on military frequencies to handle written and phone patch traffic for military servicemen. Because an amateur license was used only as an individual's technical qualification for membership while MARS conducted none of its business on amateur frequencies, AMATEUR was changed to AFFILIATE shortly thereafter. The Navy/Marine Corps finally created its own MARS in the early 1960s. Throughout the first 25 years of MARS's existence the primary task was to serve the serviceman as one of the limited means he had to communicate rapidly with his family. That mission was last carried out to any great extent during the Vietnam war. MARS has had to create an Emergency Communications mission to justify its existence since. About a decade ago, for reasons best understood by builders of bureaucr acies, AFFILIATE was changed to AUXILIARY. MARS HF gear as yet does not need to meet NTIA specs. Once "CAP" was often cited along with MARS...the Civil Air Patrol operates HF/VHF nets similar to MARS, on Air Force frequencies. But about a decade ago CAP required communications equipment to meet NTIA specs...something no ham gear is going to meet. With respect to the issue of a manufacturer artficially limiting the transmit frequency coverage of its equipment to ham bands only, I find such an attitude paternalistic and condescending. It plainly conveys the attitude that the customer is too stupid to avoid improper or illegal operation of the equipment. There should be a menu item that allows either full or ham-band-only coverage. That is all. I have over several decades found full band transmit coverage to be routinely useful for test signal generation in addition to MARS work. The manufacturer should not presume to become enforcer of regulations. Mike / KK5F ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Or the manufacturer wishes to meet FCC type acceptance specs for sales
in the USA and does not wish to be named as a party to any illegal operations; that is as far as they can reasonably be expected to go. There is nothing artificial about it. What you find useful may not meet the above legal requirements. Rick nhc On 4/7/2015 11:48 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: > With respect to the issue of a manufacturer artficially limiting the > transmit frequency coverage of its equipment to ham bands only, I find > such an attitude paternalistic and condescending. It plainly conveys > the attitude that the customer is too stupid to avoid improper or > illegal operation of the equipment. There should be a menu item that > allows either full or ham-band-only coverage. That is all. I have over > several decades found full band transmit coverage to be routinely > useful for test signal generation in addition to MARS work. The > manufacturer should not presume to become enforcer of regulations. > Mike / KK5F ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Menu item is a great idea. Competition equipment could be modified also
easily. 73, István ha4zd On 07/04/2015 20:48, Mike Morrow wrote: >> ...Military Amateur Radio System... >> ...Military Affiliate Radio System... >> ...Military Auxiliary Radio System... > MARS has stood for *all three* of the above proposed phrases since its creation after WWII for the Army and (later) Air Force as a formal organization of military and amateur stations operating on military frequencies to handle written and phone patch traffic for military servicemen. Because an amateur license was used only as an individual's technical qualification for membership while MARS conducted none of its business on amateur frequencies, AMATEUR was changed to AFFILIATE shortly thereafter. The Navy/Marine Corps finally created its own MARS in the early 1960s. Throughout the first 25 years of MARS's existence the primary task was to serve the serviceman as one of the limited means he had to communicate rapidly with his family. That mission was last carried out to any great extent during the Vietnam war. MARS has had to create an Emergency Communications mission to justify its existence since. About a decade ago, for reasons best understood by builders of bureaucr > acies, AFFILIATE was changed to AUXILIARY. MARS HF gear as yet does not need to meet NTIA specs. > > Once "CAP" was often cited along with MARS...the Civil Air Patrol operates HF/VHF nets similar to MARS, on Air Force frequencies. But about a decade ago CAP required communications equipment to meet NTIA specs...something no ham gear is going to meet. > > With respect to the issue of a manufacturer artficially limiting the transmit frequency coverage of its equipment to ham bands only, I find such an attitude paternalistic and condescending. It plainly conveys the attitude that the customer is too stupid to avoid improper or illegal operation of the equipment. There should be a menu item that allows either full or ham-band-only coverage. That is all. I have over several decades found full band transmit coverage to be routinely useful for test signal generation in addition to MARS work. > > The manufacturer should not presume to become enforcer of regulations. > > Mike / KK5F > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] -- Árva a fehér nyúl, Keletre jár, nyugatra néz, Jó a ruha, míg új, De emberből, ki barát rég. („茕茕白兔，东走西顾，衣不如新，人不如故") ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: 2-30 MHz Transmit? MARS
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I used to be a Mars Operator many years ago while in the Navy. (I was a shipboard MARS operator).
I do agree that it should be a Menu item, Having to get approval from the manufacturer for a piece of equipment that I Own does not sit well with me. (and is the reason I refuse to do business with another well know radio vendor, over this very point). From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> To: Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2-30 MHz Transmit? MARS > ...Military Amateur Radio System... > ...Military Affiliate Radio System... > ...Military Auxiliary Radio System... MARS has stood for *all three* of the above proposed phrases since its creation after WWII for the Army and (later) Air Force as a formal organization of military and amateur stations operating on military frequencies to handle written and phone patch traffic for military servicemen. Because an amateur license was used only as an individual's technical qualification for membership while MARS conducted none of its business on amateur frequencies, AMATEUR was changed to AFFILIATE shortly thereafter. The Navy/Marine Corps finally created its own MARS in the early 1960s. Throughout the first 25 years of MARS's existence the primary task was to serve the serviceman as one of the limited means he had to communicate rapidly with his family. That mission was last carried out to any great extent during the Vietnam war. MARS has had to create an Emergency Communications mission to justify its existence since. About a decade ago, for reasons best understood by builders of bureaucr acies, AFFILIATE was changed to AUXILIARY. MARS HF gear as yet does not need to meet NTIA specs. Once "CAP" was often cited along with MARS...the Civil Air Patrol operates HF/VHF nets similar to MARS, on Air Force frequencies. But about a decade ago CAP required communications equipment to meet NTIA specs...something no ham gear is going to meet. With respect to the issue of a manufacturer artficially limiting the transmit frequency coverage of its equipment to ham bands only, I find such an attitude paternalistic and condescending. It plainly conveys the attitude that the customer is too stupid to avoid improper or illegal operation of the equipment. There should be a menu item that allows either full or ham-band-only coverage. That is all. I have over several decades found full band transmit coverage to be routinely useful for test signal generation in addition to MARS work. The manufacturer should not presume to become enforcer of regulations. Mike / KK5F ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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If you can't hack it you don't really own it, your just renting it.
On 7 Apr 2015 15:32, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I used to be a Mars Operator many years ago while in the Navy. (I was a > shipboard MARS operator). > > I do agree that it should be a Menu item, Having to get approval from the > manufacturer for a piece of equipment that I Own does not sit well with me. > (and is the reason I refuse to do business with another well know radio > vendor, over this very point). > > > > > > > From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> > To: > Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2-30 MHz Transmit? MARS > > > ...Military Amateur Radio System... > > ...Military Affiliate Radio System... > > ...Military Auxiliary Radio System... > > MARS has stood for *all three* of the above proposed phrases since its > creation after WWII for the Army and (later) Air Force as a formal > organization of military and amateur stations operating on military > frequencies to handle written and phone patch traffic for military > servicemen. Because an amateur license was used only as an individual's > technical qualification for membership while MARS conducted none of its > business on amateur frequencies, AMATEUR was changed to AFFILIATE shortly > thereafter. The Navy/Marine Corps finally created its own MARS in the > early 1960s. Throughout the first 25 years of MARS's existence the primary > task was to serve the serviceman as one of the limited means he had to > communicate rapidly with his family. That mission was last carried out to > any great extent during the Vietnam war. MARS has had to create an > Emergency Communications mission to justify its existence since. About a > decade ago, for reasons best understood by builders of bureaucr > acies, AFFILIATE was changed to AUXILIARY. MARS HF gear as yet does not > need to meet NTIA specs. > > Once "CAP" was often cited along with MARS...the Civil Air Patrol operates > HF/VHF nets similar to MARS, on Air Force frequencies. But about a decade > ago CAP required communications equipment to meet NTIA specs...something no > ham gear is going to meet. > > With respect to the issue of a manufacturer artficially limiting the > transmit frequency coverage of its equipment to ham bands only, I find such > an attitude paternalistic and condescending. It plainly conveys the > attitude that the customer is too stupid to avoid improper or illegal > operation of the equipment. There should be a menu item that allows either > full or ham-band-only coverage. That is all. I have over several decades > found full band transmit coverage to be routinely useful for test signal > generation in addition to MARS work. > > The manufacturer should not presume to become enforcer of regulations. > > Mike / KK5F > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: 2-30 MHz Transmit? MARS
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Elecraft sells ham radios. If you have a MARS license Elecraft will provide you will instructions to enable that on your K3 or KX3. There have been no reports from someone with a legitimate MARS license being denied that support from elecraft. All it takes is an email or call to tech support. Give it a rest.
Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Denis Dimick <[hidden email]> wrote: > > If you can't hack it you don't really own it, your just renting it. > On 7 Apr 2015 15:32, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> I used to be a Mars Operator many years ago while in the Navy. (I was a >> shipboard MARS operator). >> >> I do agree that it should be a Menu item, Having to get approval from the >> manufacturer for a piece of equipment that I Own does not sit well with me. >> (and is the reason I refuse to do business with another well know radio >> vendor, over this very point). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> >> To: >> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2-30 MHz Transmit? MARS >> >>> ...Military Amateur Radio System... >>> ...Military Affiliate Radio System... >>> ...Military Auxiliary Radio System... >> >> MARS has stood for *all three* of the above proposed phrases since its >> creation after WWII for the Army and (later) Air Force as a formal >> organization of military and amateur stations operating on military >> frequencies to handle written and phone patch traffic for military >> servicemen. Because an amateur license was used only as an individual's >> technical qualification for membership while MARS conducted none of its >> business on amateur frequencies, AMATEUR was changed to AFFILIATE shortly >> thereafter. The Navy/Marine Corps finally created its own MARS in the >> early 1960s. Throughout the first 25 years of MARS's existence the primary >> task was to serve the serviceman as one of the limited means he had to >> communicate rapidly with his family. That mission was last carried out to >> any great extent during the Vietnam war. MARS has had to create an >> Emergency Communications mission to justify its existence since. About a >> decade ago, for reasons best understood by builders of bureaucr >> acies, AFFILIATE was changed to AUXILIARY. MARS HF gear as yet does not >> need to meet NTIA specs. >> >> Once "CAP" was often cited along with MARS...the Civil Air Patrol operates >> HF/VHF nets similar to MARS, on Air Force frequencies. But about a decade >> ago CAP required communications equipment to meet NTIA specs...something no >> ham gear is going to meet. >> >> With respect to the issue of a manufacturer artficially limiting the >> transmit frequency coverage of its equipment to ham bands only, I find such >> an attitude paternalistic and condescending. It plainly conveys the >> attitude that the customer is too stupid to avoid improper or illegal >> operation of the equipment. There should be a menu item that allows either >> full or ham-band-only coverage. That is all. I have over several decades >> found full band transmit coverage to be routinely useful for test signal >> generation in addition to MARS work. >> >> The manufacturer should not presume to become enforcer of regulations. >> >> Mike / KK5F >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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