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Dave New, N8SBE

Re: Bluetooth handsfree interface [was: KX3 netbook]

Actually, a bluetooth interface, especially for headset use, is a
serious consideration.

Most states have enacted a patchwork of anti-cellphone laws that to a
greater or lesser degree adversely impact amateur (and other) radio
operators. The purpose of this comment is NOT to start a thread on
whether or not these various laws have merit. Rather, it is to set the
background for a request to support handsfree usage of frankly, any of
the phone rigs that Elecraft markets.

There is a 3rd party that markets a bolt-on system to use with most any
rig, but it is pricey (several hundred dollars) and clumsy (it seems
that NO ONE makes a decent bluetooth headset for PTT operators).

And that turns out to be the real challenge. If someone could design a
decent affordable bluetooth headset with a reasonable PTT mechanism, I
believe the radio world would beat a path to your door. "Reasonable"
DOES NOT mean having to push a button on the ear piece.

My apologies if this has been hashed to death on here before. I'm about
a year behind reading all the older email on this list.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 netbook
> From: "Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Thu, June 02, 2011 6:12 pm
> To: [hidden email]
>
>
> Byron N6NUL wrote:
> >
> > Ok, Eric, you asked for it. Ready? Here we go:
> >
> > How about adding Bluetooth stereo audio, microphone, keyboard, and serial
> > profiles to the KX3?
> >
>
> The HFPack crowd would like this to, as I opined earlier. Stick radio in
> back, operate remotely from hand-held device (homebrew or commercial).
>
> Leigh/WA5ZNU
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Bluetooth handsfree interface [was: KX3 netbook]

> If someone could design a decent affordable bluetooth headset with a
> reasonable PTT mechanism, I believe the radio world would beat a path
> to your door. "Reasonable" DOES NOT mean having to push a button on
> the ear piece.

Unfortunately, as soon as one adds a hand operated PTT switch, the
device is no longer "hands free" under most of the regulations. Better
carry a copy of the statutes that exempt amateur radio operators and
a copy of one's amateur license.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 6/3/2011 1:24 PM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:

> Actually, a bluetooth interface, especially for headset use, is a
> serious consideration.
>
> Most states have enacted a patchwork of anti-cellphone laws that to a
> greater or lesser degree adversely impact amateur (and other) radio
> operators. The purpose of this comment is NOT to start a thread on
> whether or not these various laws have merit. Rather, it is to set the
> background for a request to support handsfree usage of frankly, any of
> the phone rigs that Elecraft markets.
>
> There is a 3rd party that markets a bolt-on system to use with most any
> rig, but it is pricey (several hundred dollars) and clumsy (it seems
> that NO ONE makes a decent bluetooth headset for PTT operators).
>
> And that turns out to be the real challenge. If someone could design a
> decent affordable bluetooth headset with a reasonable PTT mechanism, I
> believe the radio world would beat a path to your door. "Reasonable"
> DOES NOT mean having to push a button on the ear piece.
>
> My apologies if this has been hashed to death on here before. I'm about
> a year behind reading all the older email on this list.
>
> 73,
>
> -- Dave, N8SBE
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 netbook
>> From: "Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU"<[hidden email]>
>> Date: Thu, June 02, 2011 6:12 pm
>> To: [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> Byron N6NUL wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, Eric, you asked for it. Ready? Here we go:
>>>
>>> How about adding Bluetooth stereo audio, microphone, keyboard, and serial
>>> profiles to the KX3?
>>>
>>
>> The HFPack crowd would like this to, as I opined earlier. Stick radio in
>> back, operate remotely from hand-held device (homebrew or commercial).
>>
>> Leigh/WA5ZNU
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-netbook-tp6428867p6433099.html
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~BG~

Re: Bluetooth handsfree interface [was: KX3 netbook]

Mount the switch on the steering wheel? (ala car stereo controls)

./Ben

> Unfortunately, as soon as one adds a hand operated PTT switch, the
> device is no longer "hands free" under most of the regulations. Better
> carry a copy of the statutes that exempt amateur radio operators and
> a copy of one's amateur license.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>

Dave New, N8SBE

Re: Bluetooth handsfree interface [was: KX3 netbook]

In reply to this post by Dave New, N8SBE

Ben,

Someone recently had written an article (in QST?) about re-purposing
some of the steering-wheel mounted switches in his vehicle. He was
snooping on the vehicle bus for this application. Not for the timid, I
would think, and pretty specialized by vehicle manufacturer.

Otherwise, mounting a PPT switch somehow on the wheel, assuming the
mechanical issues are overcome -- how do you route the wiring, or if it
is wireless itself, how do you get power to it, or does it use a small
button cell battery?

You can see that the devil is in the details.

Joe,

You probably have a point, but not every state or locality has that
particular restriction. In the few cases I've studied, they seem to
dwell on hand held devices. If you have a PPT switch clipped to your
shirt, you may be OK. But of course, we all know that the arresting
officer is not being paid to make judgement calls of that sort.

I'd rather not debate the legalities on this list, since that could very
quickly explode into something that Eric would have to squash.

I just brought it up as a thought starter for the 'wish list', if the
Elecraft folks could come up with an imaginative way to implement this
at a reasonable cost. I live in SE Michigan, and right now, I can't use
my amateur equipment in nearby Ontario when mobile, because they have a
"no handheld devices, except first responders" law in effect. Cramps my
style, you see. 8-)

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bluetooth handsfree interface [was: KX3
> netbook]
> From: "~BG~" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Fri, June 03, 2011 4:13 pm
> To: [hidden email]
>
>
> Mount the switch on the steering wheel? (ala car stereo controls)
>
>
>
> ./Ben
>
>
> > Unfortunately, as soon as one adds a hand operated PTT switch, the
> > device is no longer "hands free" under most of the regulations. Better
> > carry a copy of the statutes that exempt amateur radio operators and
> > a copy of one's amateur license.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
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