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Bill W4ZV

Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

N6KR:
>The decoder also works for PSK31 and RTTY, and you can transmit in these
modes just by sending CW with the keyer paddle (or an attached
keyboard). This eliminates the computer entirely, should you be so
inclined.

This is going to do wonders for expeditions
using digital modes! I've never used digital before
but I'll bet the digital community will be thanking you
for all the expeditions they work once the K3 starts
shipping. Truly an incredible innovation!

73, Bill W4ZV

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Vic K2VCO

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

Bill Tippett wrote:
> N6KR:
>> The decoder also works for PSK31 and RTTY, and you can transmit in
>> these modes just by sending CW with the keyer paddle

> I've never used digital before but I'll bet the digital community
> will be thanking you for all the expeditions they work once the K3
> starts shipping. Truly an incredible innovation!

I agree that this feature has me very excited about trying PSK31, which
I've never bothered to do. I can send CW much faster than I can type!

Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy by ear, it
would be perfect :-)

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Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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On Thu, 3 May 2007 8:34 am, Vic K2VCO wrote:
> I agree that this feature has me very excited about trying PSK31, which
> I've never bothered to do. I can send CW much faster than I can type!

This was my kids' 3rd-grade science project.
They tested hams on sending CW and typing.
After discarding the data from the one or two hams each who could do
only one of the two tasks, they found hams on average type faster than
they send, but make fewer errors with CW. Hmmm...maybe they should
send it in to QEX.

> Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy by ear, it
> would be perfect :-)
This sounds like a mere matter of programming and would fit right in
with Wayne's CWPDA idea he posted here a year or two ago.

Leigh/WA5ZNU
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wayne burdick

Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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In reply to this post by Vic K2VCO

Vic K2VCO wrote:

>
> Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy by ear, it
> would be perfect :-)

This is a great idea, Vic. We could certainly buffer incoming PSK31 or
RTTY, once decoded, and play it back as audio Morse.

Added to the list.

73,
Wayne
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N8LP

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

It would also be great for vision impaired hams.

Larry N8LP

wayne burdick wrote:

> Vic K2VCO wrote:
>
>>
>> Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy by ear, it
>> would be perfect :-)
>
> This is a great idea, Vic. We could certainly buffer incoming PSK31 or
> RTTY, once decoded, and play it back as audio Morse.
>
> Added to the list.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Jessie Oberreuter

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

This is the kind of sexy feature that /defines/ Elecraft! I built a
warbler just for the experience, but I never operate RTTY or PSK31. I
spend all day in front of computers -- I don't want to have to use one to
play radio! I also /love/ being able to operate with my eyes closed.
This single feature would be just the ticket for getting my into these
modes, and it would provide an easy way to work my digital mode friends!

It's like when I was a kid and I was going to be able to afford a
Color Computer III at the end of the summer. I was insufferably excited!
I can't wait for July!

On Thu, 3 May 2007, Larry Phipps wrote:

> It would also be great for vision impaired hams.
>
> Larry N8LP
>
>
>
> wayne burdick wrote:
>> Vic K2VCO wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy by ear, it
>>> would be perfect :-)
>>
>> This is a great idea, Vic. We could certainly buffer incoming PSK31 or
>> RTTY, once decoded, and play it back as audio Morse.
>>
>> Added to the list.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
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Greg - AB7R

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

In reply to this post by Vic K2VCO

What do you mean by generating CW characters to copy by
ear?
Do you mean while in digital mode for PSK/RTTY?

When sending digital modes via the CW keyer the feedback
while sending is in CW. But you will also hear a lower
level PSK/RTTY tone in the background to remind you the
signal is transmitting as the appropriate digital mode.

73,
Greg
AB7R

On Thu, 03 May 2007 08:34:00 -0700
Vic K2VCO <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Bill Tippett wrote:
>> N6KR:
>>> The decoder also works for PSK31 and RTTY, and you can
>>>transmit in
>>> these modes just by sending CW with the keyer paddle
>
>> I've never used digital before but I'll bet the digital
>>community
>> will be thanking you for all the expeditions they work
>>once the K3
>> starts shipping. Truly an incredible innovation!
>
> I agree that this feature has me very excited about
>trying PSK31, which
> I've never bothered to do. I can send CW much faster
>than I can type!
>
> Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy
>by ear, it
> would be perfect :-)
>
> --
> 73,
> Vic, K2VCO
>Fresno CA
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Greg - AB7R

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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Now I see what Vic was referring to. Thought he meant the
monitored feedback during transmit.

Cool idea Vic!

On Thu, 3 May 2007 09:39:35 -0700
wayne burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Vic K2VCO wrote:
>
>>
>> Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters for copy
>>by ear, it
>> would be perfect :-)
>
> This is a great idea, Vic. We could certainly buffer
>incoming PSK31 or RTTY, once decoded, and play it back as
>audio Morse.
>
> Added to the list.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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romers romansky

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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As an unintended consequence, you would give blind
hams who have good morse skills the capability of
working the digital modes. A real plus!

A close friend of mine, a blind ham, for many years
was able to have a packet mailbox on our network. He
was able to read and send mail through an ascii to
morse <-> morse to ascii interface which he used in
conjunction with a computer and keyboard.

It took patience on his part and excellent cw skills,
but he had access to a whole new world and enjoyed it
very much. Of course packet died in these parts and
that was the end of digital hamming for him.

Best,
jerome - va7vv Vancouver

--- wayne burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Vic K2VCO wrote:
>
> >
> > Now if only the K3 would generate CW characters
> for copy by ear, it
> > would be perfect :-)
>
> This is a great idea, Vic. We could certainly buffer
> incoming PSK31 or
> RTTY, once decoded, and play it back as audio Morse.
>
> Added to the list.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Karl Anderson-3

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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I wonder if CW feedback would be possible as an accessibility feature
without the use of the band decoder?

Karl
NM7N

wayne burdick

Re: Accessibility w/o KRC2?

Administrator

Yes, this is in the works. Some of our blind customers will be helping
us design the accessibility interface.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On May 3, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Karl Anderson wrote:

> I wonder if CW feedback would be possible as an accessibility feature
> without the use of the band decoder?
>
> Karl
> NM7N
>

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Mike Markowski

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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romers romansky wrote:
> ...
> It took patience on his part and excellent cw skills,
> but he had access to a whole new world and enjoyed it
> very much...

I was thinking what it would be like to use the psk->cw decoder that
Wayne has added to the k3 "to do" list. Imagine trying to copy this cut
& pasted snippet of a psk qso just now:

Funny Al! :-) Well, I use a store bought dipole. It cost me about
$40 on sale and seems to work well - I have it about 25' or 30' up.

All those non alphanumerics... Maybe k3 operators will be spotted on
psk by their use of mostly alphanumerics and small, cw friendly words!

73,
Mike ab3ap
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wayne burdick

Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

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Mike Markowski wrote:

>
> I was thinking what it would be like to use the psk->cw decoder that
> Wayne has added to the k3 "to do" list. Imagine trying to copy this
> cut
> & pasted snippet of a psk qso just now:
>
> Funny Al! :-) Well, I use a store bought dipole. It cost me about
> $40 on sale and seems to work well - I have it about 25' or 30' up.
>
> All those non alphanumerics... Maybe k3 operators will be spotted on
> psk by their use of mostly alphanumerics and small, cw friendly words!
>

Could be worse :)

If you wanted the full character set, you could always connect a small
keyboard. We're working on that....

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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romers romansky

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

In reply to this post by Mike Markowski

Mike, et al:

My blind friend had to work his way through the tens
of lines in the header fields of the packet messages
to get to the actual text, so I think the normal psk
flow would be a relief rather than a problem.

We used an AEA morse machine to do the translating,
and when it ran across a character not in it's
translation table, it just didn't send or produce
anything.

Probably just as well for the Elcraft version to do
the same. After all, what would the alternative be, to
invent new morse characters?

jerome - va7vv
--- Mike Markowski <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I was thinking what it would be like to use the
> psk->cw decoder that
> Wayne has added to the k3 "to do" list. Imagine
> trying to copy this cut
> & pasted snippet of a psk qso just now:
>
> Funny Al! :-) Well, I use a store bought dipole.
> It cost me about
> $40 on sale and seems to work well - I have it
> about 25' or 30' up.
>
> All those non alphanumerics... Maybe k3 operators
> will be spotted on
> psk by their use of mostly alphanumerics and small,
> cw friendly words!
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap

drewko

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

On Thu, 03 May 2007 19:38:32 -0700 (PDT), romers romansky
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>Mike, et al:
>
>My blind friend had to work his way through the tens
>of lines in the header fields of the packet messages
>to get to the actual text, so I think the normal psk
>flow would be a relief rather than a problem.
>
>We used an AEA morse machine to do the translating,
>and when it ran across a character not in it's
>translation table, it just didn't send or produce
>anything.
>
>Probably just as well for the Elcraft version to do
>the same. After all, what would the alternative be, to
>invent new morse characters?
>

All of the non-alpha characters in the example are represented in
standard Morse, if somewhat uncommon. (I admit, I don't know what a
dollar sign is in Morse code, but I'm sure there is one.) Is there any
reason these couldn't be used in the psk-morse translation? That would
be better than skipping over them.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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Hisashi T Fujinaka

Re: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

On Thu, 3 May 2007, wayne burdick wrote:

> Mike Markowski wrote:
>
>>
>> I was thinking what it would be like to use the psk->cw decoder that
>> Wayne has added to the k3 "to do" list. Imagine trying to copy this cut
>> & pasted snippet of a psk qso just now:
>>
>> Funny Al! :-) Well, I use a store bought dipole. It cost me about
>> $40 on sale and seems to work well - I have it about 25' or 30' up.
>>
>> All those non alphanumerics... Maybe k3 operators will be spotted on
>> psk by their use of mostly alphanumerics and small, cw friendly words!
>>
>
> Could be worse :)
>
> If you wanted the full character set, you could always connect a small
> keyboard. We're working on that....

In the mean time, I'm thinking of making a USB keyboard -> paddle
interface. Why? Because. :)

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Ron D'Eau Claire-2

RE: Re: Brain vs Hardware filters

Gd pt. Mch lk curnt crp of txt msgrs tnk th is std Eglsh.

(Good point! Much like the current crop of cell phone text messagers think
this is standard English.)

Ron AC7AC

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> Mike Markowski wrote:
>
>>
>> I was thinking what it would be like to use the psk->cw decoder that
>> Wayne has added to the k3 "to do" list. Imagine trying to copy this
>> cut & pasted snippet of a psk qso just now:
>>
>> Funny Al! :-) Well, I use a store bought dipole. It cost me about
>> $40 on sale and seems to work well - I have it about 25' or 30' up.
>>
>> All those non alphanumerics... Maybe k3 operators will be spotted on
>> psk by their use of mostly alphanumerics and small, cw friendly
>> words!
>>
>
>