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Klaus Koppendorfer

Re: CW QRQ and SPLIT wayne has announced some small rit in the past !!!!

wayne has announced some small rit in the past !!!!

wayne at Apr.28, 2011
If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.

We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
change to be very convenient.
73,
Wayne
N6KR

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Chester Alderman [mailto:[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Montag, 17. Februar 2014 18:39
An: 'John Bohnovic'; Klaus Koppendorfer
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'; [hidden email]
Betreff: RE: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT

But if you have several hams in the round-table, you sure do need RIT because you know all hams are not going to be zero beat. Besides that, yes, ever if your one QSO partner is zero beat, you need the ability to slightly change the Rx QRQ frequency so the received tone suits your ears. Copying QRQ requires one to be able to use standard CW receiver functions. That is why I, personally, can't use my K3 for full QSK QRQ operation.
Since this issue has been on-going for several years, it most likely can not be fixed? Or it is just being ignored!

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Bohnovic
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 11:36 AM
To: Klaus Koppendorfer
Cc: Elecraft Reflector; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT

Do you need the RIT mode when the other station is zero beat with your signal?

John/K4WJ
ex KN8PXG K8PXG ZF2HZ
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Klaus Koppendorfer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It is sad that QRQ mode has no RIT !!!
> Cw up from 30 to 35 WPM hast o use QRQ mode because of struggling dits
> and dahs
>
> Many highspeed ops VHSC EHSC has changed from k3 to FT5000 because of
> leaking RIT with QRQ with K3
>
> Maybe Wayne will sharpen Firmware in future for QRQ mode
>
> If rit/split is necessary i use 2nd RX but this is not so comfortable
>
> 73
> Oe6kyg
> Klaus
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Don Wilhelm
> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 22:06
> An: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT
>
> Jorge,
>
> AFAIK, probably not. The frequency must be shifted from RX to TX, and with QRQ in effect it is not possible to shift that fast. A K3 with 'chirp' on the ham bands would not be a nice thing to hear.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 2/15/2014 2:33 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
>> I saw in the manual of K3 that CW QRQ is "temporarily turned OFF"
>> with SPLIT.
>>
>> Will be in the future any way to use it in SPLIT mode or is impossible?
>
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Chester Alderman

Re: CW QRQ and SPLIT wayne has announced some small rit in the past !!!!

The 'problem' with QRQ CW is that if you are running much over 60 wpm, you have to seriously concentrate on your copy and sending. I personally, do not require Split when operating QRQ, but I sure would love to have RIT for at least 0.5kc. That, for me, would solve the issue. And yes, Elecraft has stated in the past that they would 'look into it', but that was several years ago and I finally gave up on it happening.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Klaus Koppendorfer [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:24 AM
To: Chester Alderman; 'John Bohnovic'
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'; [hidden email]
Subject: AW: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT wayne has announced some small rit in the past !!!!

wayne has announced some small rit in the past !!!!

wayne at Apr.28, 2011
If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.

We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
change to be very convenient.
73,
Wayne
N6KR

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Chester Alderman [mailto:[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Montag, 17. Februar 2014 18:39
An: 'John Bohnovic'; Klaus Koppendorfer
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'; [hidden email]
Betreff: RE: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT

But if you have several hams in the round-table, you sure do need RIT because you know all hams are not going to be zero beat. Besides that, yes, ever if your one QSO partner is zero beat, you need the ability to slightly change the Rx QRQ frequency so the received tone suits your ears. Copying QRQ requires one to be able to use standard CW receiver functions. That is why I, personally, can't use my K3 for full QSK QRQ operation.
Since this issue has been on-going for several years, it most likely can not be fixed? Or it is just being ignored!

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Bohnovic
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 11:36 AM
To: Klaus Koppendorfer
Cc: Elecraft Reflector; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT

Do you need the RIT mode when the other station is zero beat with your signal?

John/K4WJ
ex KN8PXG K8PXG ZF2HZ
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Klaus Koppendorfer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It is sad that QRQ mode has no RIT !!!
> Cw up from 30 to 35 WPM hast o use QRQ mode because of struggling dits
> and dahs
>
> Many highspeed ops VHSC EHSC has changed from k3 to FT5000 because of
> leaking RIT with QRQ with K3
>
> Maybe Wayne will sharpen Firmware in future for QRQ mode
>
> If rit/split is necessary i use 2nd RX but this is not so comfortable
>
> 73
> Oe6kyg
> Klaus
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] I'm Auftrag von Don Wilhelm
> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 22:06
> An: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT
>
> Jorge,
>
> AFAIK, probably not. The frequency must be shifted from RX to TX, and with QRQ in effect it is not possible to shift that fast. A K3 with 'chirp' on the ham bands would not be a nice thing to hear.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 2/15/2014 2:33 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
>> I saw in the manual of K3 that CW QRQ is "temporarily turned OFF"
>> with SPLIT.
>>
>> Will be in the future any way to use it in SPLIT mode or is impossible?
>
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Toby Pennington

Re: CW QRQ and SPLIT wayne has announced some small ritin the past !!!!

I would agree with Tommy, some small RIT would be helpful.

It isn't only at 60 wpm that you notice some choppiness, but anything over
30 wpm makes a difference in sending without the QRQ being on. For some
reason this is more evident when using KB>

However, in a three way QSO where only one station is off frequency, it
seems to work out OK as I have to turn RIT off to copy the station on my
frequency. It depends which way the order of TX occurs.

Toby K4NH

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chester Alderman" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Klaus Koppendorfer'" <[hidden email]>; "'John Bohnovic'" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT wayne has announced some small
ritin the past !!!!

> The 'problem' with QRQ CW is that if you are running much over 60 wpm, you
> have to seriously concentrate on your copy and sending. I personally, do
> not require Split when operating QRQ, but I sure would love to have RIT
> for at least 0.5kc. That, for me, would solve the issue. And yes, Elecraft
> has stated in the past that they would 'look into it', but that was
> several years ago and I finally gave up on it happening.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus Koppendorfer [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:24 AM
> To: Chester Alderman; 'John Bohnovic'
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'; [hidden email]
> Subject: AW: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT wayne has announced some small
> rit in the past !!!!
>
> wayne has announced some small rit in the past !!!!
>
> wayne at Apr.28, 2011
> If you use QRQ mode (high-speed CW/ultra-fast break-in), you'll notice
> that the latest firmware provides a temporary solution to the problem
> of having to turn off QRQ mode in order to use SPLIT, RIT, or XIT.
> Previously, you had to turn QRQ mode off manually using the CONFIG:CW
> QRQ menu entry. Now, engaging any type of split will automatically
> turn QRQ mode off, then turn it back on once you've disabled all splits.
>
> We're still planning to allow limited-range RIT with QRQ mode turned
> on in a future firmware release. But several QRQ users had suggested
> this interim change. I use QRQ mode all the time, and I've found the
> change to be very convenient.
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Chester Alderman [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Gesendet: Montag, 17. Februar 2014 18:39
> An: 'John Bohnovic'; Klaus Koppendorfer
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'; [hidden email]
> Betreff: RE: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT
>
> But if you have several hams in the round-table, you sure do need RIT
> because you know all hams are not going to be zero beat. Besides that,
> yes, ever if your one QSO partner is zero beat, you need the ability to
> slightly change the Rx QRQ frequency so the received tone suits your ears.
> Copying QRQ requires one to be able to use standard CW receiver functions.
> That is why I, personally, can't use my K3 for full QSK QRQ operation.
> Since this issue has been on-going for several years, it most likely can
> not be fixed? Or it is just being ignored!
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Bohnovic
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 11:36 AM
> To: Klaus Koppendorfer
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT
>
> Do you need the RIT mode when the other station is zero beat with your
> signal?
>
> John/K4WJ
> ex KN8PXG K8PXG ZF2HZ
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:05 AM, Klaus Koppendorfer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It is sad that QRQ mode has no RIT !!!
>> Cw up from 30 to 35 WPM hast o use QRQ mode because of struggling dits
>> and dahs
>>
>> Many highspeed ops VHSC EHSC has changed from k3 to FT5000 because of
>> leaking RIT with QRQ with K3
>>
>> Maybe Wayne will sharpen Firmware in future for QRQ mode
>>
>> If rit/split is necessary i use 2nd RX but this is not so comfortable
>>
>> 73
>> Oe6kyg
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] I'm Auftrag von Don Wilhelm
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2014 22:06
>> An: Jorge Diez - CX6VM; 'Elecraft Reflector'
>> Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] CW QRQ and SPLIT
>>
>> Jorge,
>>
>> AFAIK, probably not. The frequency must be shifted from RX to TX, and
>> with QRQ in effect it is not possible to shift that fast. A K3 with
>> 'chirp' on the ham bands would not be a nice thing to hear.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 2/15/2014 2:33 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
>>> I saw in the manual of K3 that CW QRQ is "temporarily turned OFF"
>>> with SPLIT.
>>>
>>> Will be in the future any way to use it in SPLIT mode or is impossible?
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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