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w5tvw

Re: CX Report

There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is the time to
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the mode.

The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms "hell"
for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will get worse as
modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.

There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small slice of the
band. Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these
"assigned segments". The "penalty" would be disqualification of log for
those who do so. This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others stand
by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE
band with their "fun"!

There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the
contests.

I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid stepping
on the toes of those who wish not to participate.

Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Thompson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report

> Sandy,
>
> I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling CQ YL and at 0Z
> the North American Sprint came on. These guys tried to steam roll me.
> K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO. Moved to 40 to
> get
> away from them.
>
> This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to SSB from CW as
> some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.
>
> A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
> as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and almost no one
> came. Now they and those sprints are all over plus there is a RTTY one
> every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see posts about
> them). Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and now those
> sprints are weeknights.
>
> I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around for years and
> quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off the map. Too
> bad.
>
> What to do? I have complained to the three or four people who CONTROL
> contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
> And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.
>
> 73 Dave K4JRB
>
>
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV

RE: Re: CX Report

> Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

No, it does not make sense. Why restrict one type of activity -
one that generates the most activity and participation - to
artificially narrow portions of the spectrum when other activity
has no such restriction.

Digital mode contesting is the fastest growing HF activity and
it is squeezed, particularly on 40 meters, due to the excessively
narrow available spectrum in regions 1 and 3. 40 KHz (7020 -
7060) is far from excessive particularly compared to the 70 or
80 KHz occupied by CW contesters in a CQWW CW, ARRLDX CW, SS CW,
CQWPX CW or the 200+ KHz occupied by phone operators in CQWW SSB,
ARRLDX SSB, SS SSB, CQWPX SSB, etc.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
> To: David Thompson
> Cc: [hidden email]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report
>
>
> There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is
> the time to
> support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are
> befitting the mode.
>
> The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF
> comms "hell"
> for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will
> get worse as
> modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.
>
> There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small
> slice of the
> band. Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray
> out of these
> "assigned segments". The "penalty" would be disqualification
> of log for
> those who do so. This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB
> and others stand
> by these standards so that the contesters would not
> monopolize the WHOLE
> band with their "fun"!
>
> There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole
> CW or whole
> SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band
> during the
> contests.
>
> I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken
> steps to usually
> restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to
> avoid stepping
> on the toes of those who wish not to participate.
>
> Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?
>
> 73,
>
> Sandy W5TVW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Thompson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: CX Report
>
>
> > Sandy,
> >
> > I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling
> CQ YL and at 0Z
> > the North American Sprint came on. These guys tried to
> steam roll me.
> > K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.
> Moved to 40 to
> > get
> > away from them.
> >
> > This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to
> SSB from CW as
> > some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.
> >
> > A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
> > as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and
> almost no one
> > came. Now they and those sprints are all over plus there
> is a RTTY one
> > every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see
> posts about
> > them). Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and
> now those
> > sprints are weeknights.
> >
> > I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around
> for years and
> > quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off
> the map. Too
> > bad.
> >
> > What to do? I have complained to the three or four people
> who CONTROL
> > contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
> > And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.
> >
> > 73 Dave K4JRB
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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.hank.

Re: Re: CX Report

In reply to this post by w5tvw

Sandy wrote:

> There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is the time
> to support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting
> the mode.
>
> The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms
> "hell" for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will
> get worse as modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.
>
> There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small slice of
> the band.

The same thing happens when there is a major <you name it> contest .....
The CW guys say the SSB guys run rampant all over the band ......
And the CW guys say the CW contesters run rampant all over the band .....
The QRP guys say that when ever there is a non-QRP event on the band ....

It's hard to restrict the "running rampant". As more and more of us
retire it
should be less and less of a problem on weekends!

72 73 Hank K8DD

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Terry Myers

Re: Re: CX Report

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV

What does make sense to me is to have "ALL" contests be restricted to less
24 hours or less. Why take a whole weekend? The work angle don't work for
me because of all the time zones involved that govern work schedules. Just
keep all contests to 24 hours or less and most of the problem will go away.

Terry, KQ5U

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Sandy'" <[hidden email]>; "'David Thompson'"
<[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>; "'Elecraft List'"
<[hidden email]>; "'Glowbugs reflector'"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

>
>> Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?
>
> No, it does not make sense. Why restrict one type of activity -
> one that generates the most activity and participation - to
> artificially narrow portions of the spectrum when other activity
> has no such restriction.
>
> Digital mode contesting is the fastest growing HF activity and
> it is squeezed, particularly on 40 meters, due to the excessively
> narrow available spectrum in regions 1 and 3. 40 KHz (7020 -
> 7060) is far from excessive particularly compared to the 70 or
> 80 KHz occupied by CW contesters in a CQWW CW, ARRLDX CW, SS CW,
> CQWPX CW or the 200+ KHz occupied by phone operators in CQWW SSB,
> ARRLDX SSB, SS SSB, CQWPX SSB, etc.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sandy
>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
>> To: David Thompson
>> Cc: [hidden email]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report
>>
>>
>> There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is
>> the time to
>> support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are
>> befitting the mode.
>>
>> The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF
>> comms "hell"
>> for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will
>> get worse as
>> modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.
>>
>> There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small
>> slice of the
>> band. Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray
>> out of these
>> "assigned segments". The "penalty" would be disqualification
>> of log for
>> those who do so. This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB
>> and others stand
>> by these standards so that the contesters would not
>> monopolize the WHOLE
>> band with their "fun"!
>>
>> There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole
>> CW or whole
>> SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band
>> during the
>> contests.
>>
>> I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken
>> steps to usually
>> restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to
>> avoid stepping
>> on the toes of those who wish not to participate.
>>
>> Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Sandy W5TVW
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Thompson" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: CX Report
>>
>>
>> > Sandy,
>> >
>> > I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling
>> CQ YL and at 0Z
>> > the North American Sprint came on. These guys tried to
>> steam roll me.
>> > K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.
>> Moved to 40 to
>> > get
>> > away from them.
>> >
>> > This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to
>> SSB from CW as
>> > some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.
>> >
>> > A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
>> > as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and
>> almost no one
>> > came. Now they and those sprints are all over plus there
>> is a RTTY one
>> > every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see
>> posts about
>> > them). Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and
>> now those
>> > sprints are weeknights.
>> >
>> > I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around
>> for years and
>> > quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off
>> the map. Too
>> > bad.
>> >
>> > What to do? I have complained to the three or four people
>> who CONTROL
>> > contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
>> > And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.
>> >
>> > 73 Dave K4JRB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1057 - Release
>> Date: 10/8/2007
>> > 9:04 AM
>> >
>> >
>>
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N2TK

RE: Re: CX Report

In reply to this post by w5tvw

I am sure we can have many points of view on this topic. I happen to be in
the group that says let's enjoy contests and try to get as much activity as
possible, regardless of the mode.
Hey, there is always 12, 17 and 30M for non-contesters.
Also, you may want to read what Hollingsworth said at Dayton about contests
and contesters.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
To: David Thompson
Cc: [hidden email]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is the time to
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the mode.

The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms "hell"
for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will get worse as
modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.

There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small slice of the
band. Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these
"assigned segments". The "penalty" would be disqualification of log for
those who do so. This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others stand
by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE
band with their "fun"!

There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the
contests.

I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid stepping

on the toes of those who wish not to participate.

Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Thompson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report

> 9:04 AM
>
>

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Re: Re: CX Report [END of Thread]

Administrator

In reply to this post by .hank.

This topic is a hot button that is best discussed on the contesting,
rec.radio.amateur.. and other lists.

Lets END it now before it gets out of control. :-)

73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator.
----

hank k8dd wrote:

> Sandy wrote:
>> There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is the time
>> to support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting
>> the mode.
>>
>> The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms
>> "hell" for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will
>> get worse as modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.
>>
>> There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small slice of
>> the band.
>

w5tvw

Re: Re: CX Report

In reply to this post by N2TK

I always discard the "Well! There are the WARC bands!" answer. You can't
work short/medium haul on 30 most of the time. and no CW allowed on 60
meters! Personally, I don't see why they don't open 30/17/12 meters up to
contesting as well as the other bands. Basically 17/12 meters have been
quite useless most of the past few years, or at least can't be relied on due
to poor propagation conditions.

Although I do like some contests, there isn't ANY reason 99% of the time for
a contest that lasts longer than 24 hours!

One of the best things that happened to contesting is the "sprint" or 2-4
hour window for most contests that are not "DX" contests. After so many
operating hours, what started out as "fun" turns out being a chore and a
bore.

my two additional penny's worth.

73,

Sandy W5TVW
----- Original Message -----
From: "N2TK, Tony" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Sandy'" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "'Elecraft List'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

>I am sure we can have many points of view on this topic. I happen to be in
> the group that says let's enjoy contests and try to get as much activity
> as
> possible, regardless of the mode.
> Hey, there is always 12, 17 and 30M for non-contesters.
> Also, you may want to read what Hollingsworth said at Dayton about
> contests
> and contesters.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
> To: David Thompson
> Cc: [hidden email]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report
>
> There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out. NOW is the time to
> support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the
> mode.
>
> The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms "hell"
> for others who would like a piece of the pie too. This will get worse as
> modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.
>
> There IS a simple solution: retrict the contests to a small slice of the
> band. Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these
> "assigned segments". The "penalty" would be disqualification of log for
> those who do so. This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others
> stand
> by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE
> band with their "fun"!
>
> There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole
> SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the
> contests.
>
> I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually
> restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid
> stepping
>
> on the toes of those who wish not to participate.
>
> Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?
>
> 73,
>
> Sandy W5TVW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Thompson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: CX Report
>
>
>> Sandy,
>>
>> I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling CQ YL and at 0Z
>> the North American Sprint came on. These guys tried to steam roll me.
>> K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO. Moved to 40 to
>> get
>> away from them.
>>
>> This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to SSB from CW as
>> some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.
>>
>> A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
>> as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and almost no one
>> came. Now they and those sprints are all over plus there is a RTTY one
>> every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see posts about
>> them). Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and now those
>> sprints are weeknights.
>>
>> I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around for years and
>> quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off the map. Too
>> bad.
>>
>> What to do? I have complained to the three or four people who CONTROL
>> contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
>> And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.
>>
>> 73 Dave K4JRB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1057 - Release Date:
>> 10/8/2007
>
>> 9:04 AM
>>
>>
>
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N2EY

Re: Re: CX Report

In reply to this post by w5tvw

In a message dated 10/9/07 6:43:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

> What does make sense to me is to have "ALL" contests be restricted to less
> 24 hours or less. Why take a whole weekend?

Because that way everyone has the same shot at the good times, regardless of
sunspot cycle.

Besides - how many contests are more than 24 hours?

73 de Jim, N2EY

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