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Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W

Re: Cheap headphones

If anyone in EU decides to make a group buy of some CM500 headphones,
please let me know, I am interested in buying one.
I already have one for my K3 but another one would be welcome!

Thanks
Fabio
IZ4AFW / NZ1W

2013/4/9 Tom Boucher <[hidden email]>

> Dave G3TJP,
>
> Re your post on non-availability of cheap headphones, the Yamaha CM500 is
> undoubtedly a preferred choice but is unavailable in Europe - the US
> suppliers won't ship it to Eu either. A good alternative I found for my K3,
> is the Koss SB/45, which is quite comfortable during long periods of
> contest operation and has an excellent quality electret mic. It's currently
> £20.98 free postage on Amazon.
>
> 73
> Tom G3OLB
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Michael Usher AG6MK

Re: Cheap headphones

They look to be virtually the same headset.

Visually, the earcups and headband are identical. The mic boom looks to be physically slightly different. And the Koss has single side cable, vs dual on CM500.

The CM500 I have has "Koss" molded on the 3.5mm connectors.

From website specs, the Koss has lower impedance (100 vs 120) and slightly better sensitivity.

My bet is that the Koss would be a slight improvement on the CM500.

Michael
AG6MK

On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:58 AM, "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If anyone in EU decides to make a group buy of some CM500 headphones,
> please let me know, I am interested in buying one.
> I already have one for my K3 but another one would be welcome!
>
> Thanks
> Fabio
> IZ4AFW / NZ1W
>
>
> 2013/4/9 Tom Boucher <[hidden email]>
>
>> Dave G3TJP,
>>
>> Re your post on non-availability of cheap headphones, the Yamaha CM500 is
>> undoubtedly a preferred choice but is unavailable in Europe - the US
>> suppliers won't ship it to Eu either. A good alternative I found for my K3,
>> is the Koss SB/45, which is quite comfortable during long periods of
>> contest operation and has an excellent quality electret mic. It's currently
>> £20.98 free postage on Amazon.
>>
>> 73
>> Tom G3OLB
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Cheap headphones

On 4/9/2013 9:24 AM, Michael Usher AG6MK wrote:
> My bet is that the Koss would be a slight improvement on the CM500.

As an audio professional, I don't see anything in the description to
suggest the Koss headset would be better than the CM500, but I've seen
positive comments about a certain model Koss headset that resembles the
CM500 (sorry, don't recall that model number) from a member of the Ten
Tec list, and I suspect it would work fine with the K3 (and with other
ham rigs).

73, Jim K9YC
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gregg.w6izt1

Re: Cheap headphones

I have both the Koss and Yamaha headsets. I prefer the fit of the CM-500,
but overall the two are more or less functionally equivalent.

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On 4/9/2013 9:24 AM, Michael Usher AG6MK wrote:
> My bet is that the Koss would be a slight improvement on the CM500.

As an audio professional, I don't see anything in the description to suggest
the Koss headset would be better than the CM500, but I've seen positive
comments about a certain model Koss headset that resembles the
CM500 (sorry, don't recall that model number) from a member of the Ten Tec
list, and I suspect it would work fine with the K3 (and with other ham
rigs).

73, Jim K9YC
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Jay Kobelin

Re: Cheap headphones

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I just got a CM500 yesterday for testing and would say the MIC is quite
sensitive..only takes a MIC setting of 4-6 and its fine...increasing MIC
gain apparently does nothing but increase feedback. I guess these powered
headset are different than the usual Heil Pro line as one can move the MIC
gain up and down for a Heil and watch the ALC go higher or lower.

The K3 ALC using the CM500 (at least here) remains constantly at about 6-7
bars (compression set at about 10-12 for best overall performance so far)

The ear cover is complete not like my Heil Pro

I also like the strap across the head. The Heil has some cushion over some
type of strap that after a while it's noticeable. The CM500 has a net like
strap that is not hard, also allows air to move so no apparent sweat build
up after a 5 hour stint in 95 degree weather.

Took a lot of antivox and TX gate to quiet the feedback down during RX modes
( I may have to take a footswitch for a multi op site)

Settings were : MIC rpl, impedance L (tap 1) , bias on (tap 2)

A nice 9 foot long card, plugs right in to rear panel, no adapters needed
(less to fail when on the road) , makes things easy when traveling with the
K3.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Usher AG6MK" <[hidden email]>
To: "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Tom Boucher" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft reflector"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cheap headphones

They look to be virtually the same headset.

Visually, the earcups and headband are identical. The mic boom looks to be
physically slightly different. And the Koss has single side cable, vs dual
on CM500.

The CM500 I have has "Koss" molded on the 3.5mm connectors.

From website specs, the Koss has lower impedance (100 vs 120) and slightly
better sensitivity.

My bet is that the Koss would be a slight improvement on the CM500.

Michael
AG6MK

On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:58 AM, "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If anyone in EU decides to make a group buy of some CM500 headphones,
> please let me know, I am interested in buying one.
> I already have one for my K3 but another one would be welcome!
>
> Thanks
> Fabio
> IZ4AFW / NZ1W
>
>
> 2013/4/9 Tom Boucher <[hidden email]>
>
>> Dave G3TJP,
>>
>> Re your post on non-availability of cheap headphones, the Yamaha CM500 is
>> undoubtedly a preferred choice but is unavailable in Europe - the US
>> suppliers won't ship it to Eu either. A good alternative I found for my
>> K3,
>> is the Koss SB/45, which is quite comfortable during long periods of
>> contest operation and has an excellent quality electret mic. It's
>> currently
>> £20.98 free postage on Amazon.
>>
>> 73
>> Tom G3OLB
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Bill Steffey NY9H

Re: Cheap headphones

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Logitech Wireless Headset F540

a gaming headset,.,,,

I was in a fry's store and saw a bluetooth ? 2.4ghz boom
headset with a receiver
selling for $59.99.... amazon has for 86$,,,,,

had to buy it... it has ins/outs at the receiver for wii & xbox,,,..
going to have to do some rewire to get the mic out (a usb) to a
usable audio path...
maybe have to run thru a computer . swing the mic up and it mutes,
also a mute on the side of mic ..
selects one of two audio sources from the headset ,,,, ham or tv
watcher.... should be a great solution
for my shack in the den where the tv lives

instore at fry's 59.99

http://reviews.cnet.com/headsets/logitech-f540-wireless-headset/4505-13831_7-34185065.html

just a thought for those looking for the ultimate ( cost effective) headset

bill ny9h/3

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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Cheap headphones

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Try setting the K3's mic gain menu setting to 'low'.

Eric
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On 4/9/2013 9:49 AM, Jay wrote:

> I just got a CM500 yesterday for testing and would say the MIC is
> quite sensitive..only takes a MIC setting of 4-6 and its
> fine...increasing MIC gain apparently does nothing but increase
> feedback. I guess these powered headset are different than the usual
> Heil Pro line as one can move the MIC gain up and down for a Heil and
> watch the ALC go higher or lower.
>
> The K3 ALC using the CM500 (at least here) remains constantly at about
> 6-7 bars (compression set at about 10-12 for best overall performance
> so far)
>
> The ear cover is complete not like my Heil Pro
>
> I also like the strap across the head. The Heil has some cushion over
> some type of strap that after a while it's noticeable. The CM500 has a
> net like strap that is not hard, also allows air to move so no
> apparent sweat build up after a 5 hour stint in 95 degree weather.
>
> Took a lot of antivox and TX gate to quiet the feedback down during RX
> modes ( I may have to take a footswitch for a multi op site)
>
> Settings were : MIC rpl, impedance L (tap 1) , bias on (tap 2)
>
> A nice 9 foot long card, plugs right in to rear panel, no adapters
> needed (less to fail when on the road) , makes things easy when
> traveling with the K3.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Usher AG6MK"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Tom Boucher" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft reflector"
> <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cheap headphones
>
>
> They look to be virtually the same headset.
>
> Visually, the earcups and headband are identical. The mic boom looks
> to be physically slightly different. And the Koss has single side
> cable, vs dual on CM500.
>
> The CM500 I have has "Koss" molded on the 3.5mm connectors.
>
> From website specs, the Koss has lower impedance (100 vs 120) and
> slightly better sensitivity.
>
> My bet is that the Koss would be a slight improvement on the CM500.
>
> Michael
> AG6MK
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:58 AM, "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> If anyone in EU decides to make a group buy of some CM500 headphones,
>> please let me know, I am interested in buying one.
>> I already have one for my K3 but another one would be welcome!
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fabio
>> IZ4AFW / NZ1W
>>
>>
>> 2013/4/9 Tom Boucher <[hidden email]>
>>
>>> Dave G3TJP,
>>>
>>> Re your post on non-availability of cheap headphones, the Yamaha
>>> CM500 is
>>> undoubtedly a preferred choice but is unavailable in Europe - the US
>>> suppliers won't ship it to Eu either. A good alternative I found for
>>> my K3,
>>> is the Koss SB/45, which is quite comfortable during long periods of
>>> contest operation and has an excellent quality electret mic. It's
>>> currently
>>> £20.98 free postage on Amazon.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Tom G3OLB
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Jay Kobelin

Re: Cheap headphones

Thanks for that .. TAP 1....now I see the ALC fluctuating and not
"pinned"...

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cheap headphones

> Try setting the K3's mic gain menu setting to 'low'.
>
> Eric
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>
> On 4/9/2013 9:49 AM, Jay wrote:
>> I just got a CM500 yesterday for testing and would say the MIC is quite
>> sensitive..only takes a MIC setting of 4-6 and its fine...increasing MIC
>> gain apparently does nothing but increase feedback. I guess these powered
>> headset are different than the usual Heil Pro line as one can move the
>> MIC gain up and down for a Heil and watch the ALC go higher or lower.
>>
>> The K3 ALC using the CM500 (at least here) remains constantly at about
>> 6-7 bars (compression set at about 10-12 for best overall performance so
>> far)
>>
>> The ear cover is complete not like my Heil Pro
>>
>> I also like the strap across the head. The Heil has some cushion over
>> some type of strap that after a while it's noticeable. The CM500 has a
>> net like strap that is not hard, also allows air to move so no apparent
>> sweat build up after a 5 hour stint in 95 degree weather.
>>
>> Took a lot of antivox and TX gate to quiet the feedback down during RX
>> modes ( I may have to take a footswitch for a multi op site)
>>
>> Settings were : MIC rpl, impedance L (tap 1) , bias on (tap 2)
>>
>> A nice 9 foot long card, plugs right in to rear panel, no adapters needed
>> (less to fail when on the road) , makes things easy when traveling with
>> the K3.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Usher AG6MK"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "Tom Boucher" <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft reflector"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cheap headphones
>>
>>
>> They look to be virtually the same headset.
>>
>> Visually, the earcups and headband are identical. The mic boom looks to
>> be physically slightly different. And the Koss has single side cable, vs
>> dual on CM500.
>>
>> The CM500 I have has "Koss" molded on the 3.5mm connectors.
>>
>> From website specs, the Koss has lower impedance (100 vs 120) and
>> slightly better sensitivity.
>>
>> My bet is that the Koss would be a slight improvement on the CM500.
>>
>> Michael
>> AG6MK
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:58 AM, "Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W" <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone in EU decides to make a group buy of some CM500 headphones,
>>> please let me know, I am interested in buying one.
>>> I already have one for my K3 but another one would be welcome!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Fabio
>>> IZ4AFW / NZ1W
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/4/9 Tom Boucher <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>> Dave G3TJP,
>>>>
>>>> Re your post on non-availability of cheap headphones, the Yamaha CM500
>>>> is
>>>> undoubtedly a preferred choice but is unavailable in Europe - the US
>>>> suppliers won't ship it to Eu either. A good alternative I found for my
>>>> K3,
>>>> is the Koss SB/45, which is quite comfortable during long periods of
>>>> contest operation and has an excellent quality electret mic. It's
>>>> currently
>>>> £20.98 free postage on Amazon.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Tom G3OLB
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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