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N3AO

Re: Cammo KX2?

YES! Great suggestions! Hi-Viz traffic cone orange!
73,
Carter, N3AO
Blacksburg, VA

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:19 PM Steve Sergeant <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 9/3/19 18:26 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > do you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme? Maybe a
> seafoam camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm game. Let's
> have a vote.
>
> When I bought my KX2, given the option I would have chosen a hi-viz
> color (traffic-cone orange, safety-vest yellow/green) over the stock
> color scheme.
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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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Remember guys, that is why Doug painted the PFR3 the bright yellow..... many years ago....... so it could be seen in the grass or in the field.

David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 6:40 AM, Carter Craigie <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I think that a brighter color scheme would make for easier visibility when
> trying to find everything whilst on a hiking/hamming outing. In the
> twilight especially. I want to make sure I have EVERYTHING as I’m repacking
> my backpack!
> 73,
> Carter, N3AO
> Blacksburg, VA
>
>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 9:41 PM Kent Olsen <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Im afraid I would lose my radio in the grass!
>>
>> Thanks
>> 73
>> Kent
>> N6WT
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>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 6:36 PM David Gilbert <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>> A bit counter intuitive, but for stealth purposes coral pink might be a
>>> good choice. No way anyone ever would guess it was a radio.
>>>
>>> I'm here all week ...
>>>
>>> Dave AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2019 6:26 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> Mike -- do you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme?
>>> Maybe a seafoam camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm
>>> game. Let's have a vote.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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Hi Mike:
Don't forget... "the best absorbers are also the best radiators"... So, if a light colored rig absorbs heat (and it would, eventually).. it would not be able to radiate it away, trapping heat inside and possibly causing damage to heat sensitive components. For any rig, it's not a bad idea to shade it from direct solar radiation in any location. Put it in shade or create some shade for the rig.
73 de RayK2ULR
KX3 #211.. which has Side KX.. and a big vented heat sink anyway.

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Subject: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

> Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> ... [a] characteristic that is adverse to outdoor operation is its very dark color scheme. That makes it an effective heat sink for solar radiation...never a good thing unless operating in polar regions. :-) Unfortunately Icom is **not alone** with the gratuitous inclusion of such a harmful "feature" in a small radio.
>
> Mike / KK5F

Mike -- do you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme? Maybe a seafoam camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm game. Let's have a vote.

Wayne
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Re: Copy cat - no way

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Howdy Walter,

Really have to agree here. To most, if not all, of these guys, QRP mean slow output power. OK, great, as far as it goes, but you’re right. Whereas Yaekenlincowood just create what amounts to a low output power version of something else they already have more or less, Elecraft takes the whole design into consideration. If you don’t believe, and who here doesn’t, just look at, as one metric, current draw on receive. OK…is that really power efficient? Even the Chinese designs like the Xiegu X108/X5105/G90/G1M have pretty high current draw, relatively speaking, and they were never designed with QRO counterparts. Elecraft works hard to optimize the whole design, taking into account use cases for QRP, many of which will involve outdoor use with extended power requirements away from commercial electricity. Iteally matters. OK, every design has compromises, but I think Elecraft is very mindful of which compromises are acceptable to the end goal.

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> On Sep 4, 2019, at 6:13 AM, Walter - K5EST <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Elecraft has the best I have found for portable and QRP comms. Lots of low
> power competition just dazzle the rig or spiffy the cabinet but Elecraft is
> the real winner to me.
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> 73,
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> Walter Dufrain - K5EST
> QRPcw--> KX1,KX2,KX3
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Lyn WØLEN

Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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"Flat Dark Earth" is all the rage for hand guns these days.

Lyn, W0LEN

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Desert tan with high contrast black labels
Ken ke4rg

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Subject: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

> Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> ... [a] characteristic that is adverse to outdoor operation is its very
dark color scheme. That makes it an effective heat sink for solar
radiation...never a good thing unless operating in polar regions. :-)
Unfortunately Icom is **not alone** with the gratuitous inclusion of such a
harmful "feature" in a small radio.
>
> Mike / KK5F

Mike -- do you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme? Maybe
a seafoam camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm game.
Let's have a vote.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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The specific patterns in Camo fabric are copyrighted but not the technique.
As long as you don't use the specific pattern you should be OK. That is
tough to do with fabric but relatively easy to do with silk screen.

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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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Dear OMs, If the KX2 was yellow or pink it would be,easy to spot in the grass or on a rock. 73 Doug EI2CN Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> Date: 04/09/2019 14:36 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email], 'Wayne Burdick' <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way) "Flat Dark Earth" is all the rage for hand guns these days.Lyn, W0LEN-----Original Message-----From: [hidden email][mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email]: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 9:59 PMTo: 'Wayne Burdick'Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)Desert tan with high contrast black labelsKen ke4rg-----Original Message-----From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> OnBehalf Of Wayne BurdickSent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 9:26 PMTo: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>Subject: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)> Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:> > ... [a] characteristic that is adverse to outdoor operation is its verydark color scheme. That makes it an effective heat sink for solarradiation...never a good thing unless operating in polar regions. :-)Unfortunately Icom is **not alone** with the gratuitous inclusion of such aharmful "feature" in a small radio.> > Mike / KK5FMike -- do you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme? Maybea seafoam camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm game.Let's have a vote. WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Messagedelivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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k6mkf

Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

I grabbed an image of a KX3 drawing and used the 'paint bucket' tool in Paint to create different colored KX3 renditions here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m9brk7bciaqijf7/AADywinNeBqHy7xaJWkPrM3fa?dl=0

Some look pretty cool. You can take these and make your own colored versions ...

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

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> Dear OMs, If the KX2 was yellow or pink it would be,easy to spot in the grass or
> on a rock. 73 Doug EI2CN Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> Date:
> 04/09/2019 14:36 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email], 'Wayne Burdick'
> <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way) "Flat Dark Earth"
> is all the rage for hand guns these days.Lyn, W0LEN-----Original Message-----
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> Tuesday, September 03, 2019 9:59 PMTo: 'Wayne Burdick'Cc: 'Elecraft
> Reflector'Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)Desert
> tan with high contrast black labelsKen ke4rg-----Original Message-----From:
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> Morrow <[hidden email]>Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> <[hidden email]>Subject: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no
> way)> Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:> > ... [a] characteristic that is
> adverse to outdoor operation is its verydark color scheme. That makes it an
> effective heat sink for solarradiation...never a good thing unless operating in
> polar regions. :-)Unfortunately Icom is **not alone** with the gratuitous
> inclusion of such aharmful "feature" in a small radio.> > Mike / KK5FMike -- do
> you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme? Maybea seafoam
> camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm game.Let's have a vote.
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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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Same here Bill. For portable work with my K3, I use a small USB LED light
powered from my laptop. It illuminates both the keyboard and K3 front
panel.

The dark black color scheme works well inside, but absorbs the huge sunlight
we have here in NM. Perhaps a covering that "sticks" to the cases and
reflect the sunlight could work?

73, Bill, K8TE

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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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That's a pretty bad assertion.

A white (or very light) object will simply absorb much less heat ...
all.day.long. And it will still be able to reradiate heat. Just not
as effectively, but it wouldn't need to.

A dark object wouldn't be able to radiate its considerably greater
absorbed heat until the sun went away, and by that time any potential
damage would have been long done.

I have a low slope roof behind parapets sealed with white elastomeric
roofing coating. I can walk barefoot on it all day in the June Arizona
sun and it barely feels warm. I'd have blisters in less than a minute
if it was even moderately brown like my wood decking is.

Dave AB7E

On 9/4/2019 4:46 AM, Raymond Sills via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Mike:
> Don't forget... "the best absorbers are also the best radiators"... So, if a light colored rig absorbs heat (and it would, eventually).. it would not be able to radiate it away, trapping heat inside and possibly causing damage to heat sensitive components. For any rig, it's not a bad idea to shade it from direct solar radiation in any location. Put it in shade or create some shade for the rig.
> 73 de RayK2ULR

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I like tan but must admit that yellow might be more practical. Actually, I will use whatever Elecraft chooses as long as they sell little bottles of matching touchup paint. Well, I would actually use any Elecraft color even without the touchup paint.
Ken ke4rg

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I grabbed an image of a KX3 drawing and used the 'paint bucket' tool in Paint to create different colored KX3 renditions here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m9brk7bciaqijf7/AADywinNeBqHy7xaJWkPrM3fa?dl=0

Some look pretty cool. You can take these and make your own colored versions ...

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

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> Dear OMs, If the KX2 was yellow or pink it would be,easy to spot in the grass or
> on a rock. 73 Doug EI2CN Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> Date:
> 04/09/2019 14:36 (GMT+00:00) To: [hidden email], 'Wayne Burdick'
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> is all the rage for hand guns these days.Lyn, W0LEN-----Original
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> <[hidden email]>Subject: [Elecraft] Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy
> cat - no way)> Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:> > ... [a]
> characteristic that is adverse to outdoor operation is its verydark
> color scheme. That makes it an effective heat sink for
> solarradiation...never a good thing unless operating in polar regions.
> :-)Unfortunately Icom is **not alone** with the gratuitous inclusion
> of such aharmful "feature" in a small radio.> > Mike / KK5FMike -- do
> you think there's a market for a lighter KX2 color scheme? Maybea seafoam camo, or marzipan, or chrome with fractal filigree? I'm game.Let's have a vote.
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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

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On 9/4/2019 6:41 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote:

> The specific patterns in Camo fabric are copyrighted but not the technique.

One of our friends has three kids who are US Naval officers. She made a
significant comment on the dark grey and black cammo pattern that the
Navy uses - it makes it very easy for someone overboard to not be
sighted! :)

If I remember the Gonset "Gooney Bird" transceivers of the 1950s, they
were bright yellow, but safety orange is my all-time favorite.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

Only the official "CD" portable/mobile and base station Gonsets were yellow
and had the traditional R/W/B Civil Defense triangle logo on them.
I don't believe they were available to the general public.
The first two Gonset Communicators portable & base, were gray hammertone and
the third generation was white, with blue/gray knobs, very nice looking too.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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On 9/4/2019 6:41 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote:

> The specific patterns in Camo fabric are copyrighted but not the
technique.

One of our friends has three kids who are US Naval officers. She made a
significant comment on the dark grey and black cammo pattern that the Navy
uses - it makes it very easy for someone overboard to not be sighted! :)

If I remember the Gonset "Gooney Bird" transceivers of the 1950s, they were
bright yellow, but safety orange is my all-time favorite.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

On 9/4/2019 8:11 PM, Charlie T wrote:

> Only the official "CD" portable/mobile and base station Gonsets were yellow
> and had the traditional R/W/B Civil Defense triangle logo on them.

Those were the ones that I remember because I was the (solo) operator at
the Los Angeles Civil Defense District 43 station from 1957-1960. As a
Tech I didn't have HF privileges and could only operate 2-meters as part
of RACES. Times have changed.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

I'll vote for a tie dyed color scheme in the lighter colors... It will be
quite useful at BurningMan...
73

Jim W6US
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k6dgw

Re: Cammo KX2? (Was: Copy cat - no way)

Are you sure you want to take your Elecraft radio to 88NV? I'd put it
in a Ziploc bag ... maybe double bag it.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

PS: Be sure and spend some money as you pass thru Reno/Sparks! [:-)

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> I'll vote for a tie dyed color scheme in the lighter colors... It will be
> quite useful at BurningMan...
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