Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 160, Issue 38

[Al Hanzl]

Own K-1 number 151.  Sorry to hear the news. Still have lots of fun with that rig.
Will accessories still be available for awhile?
I'm sorry I was never able to obtain the 4 band module for it.
K2AL

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>   1. FS:  KPA500/KAT500 Pair,  Acom 2000A (Gary Ferdinand)
>   2. Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Joseph M. Durnal)
>   3. Re: Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS
>      (Barthold Lichtenbelt)
>   4. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Ross Primrose)
>   5. Re: Elecraft K3 lock power control (2E?LDZ)
>   6. K1 Discontinued (Kevin Anderson)
>   7. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Don Wilhelm)
>   8. UPS Can Be a Noise Source (Jim Brown)
>   9. Re: K1 Discontinued (Wayne Burdick)
>  10. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
>      (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
>  11. Re: K1 Discontinued (Raymond Sills)
>  12. Re: K1 Discontinued (N4OI - Ken)
>  13. Re: Elecraft K3 lock power control (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  14. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
>      (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  15. Re: Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A (Mike Furrey)
>  16. test (Paul VanOveren)
>  17. Re: Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS
>      (Mike Maloney)
>  18. Re: K1 Discontinued (Mike Morrow)
>  19. Re: Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS (Phil Kane)
>  20. Re: K1 Discontinued (Buck)
>  21. Re: K1 Discontinued (Al Scanandoah)
>  22. Re: K1 Discontinued (Gerald Manthey)
>  23. Re: K1 Discontinued (Fred Jensen)
>  24. Re: K1 Discontinued (Bert Craig)
>  25. K-1 For Sale (KC6CNN)
>  26. Re: K1 Discontinued (Jim Allen)
>  27. Re: KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P (Bill Johnson)
>  28. Re: K1 Discontinued (Don Wilhelm)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:30:45 -0400
> From: Gary Ferdinand <[hidden email]>
> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  KPA500/KAT500 Pair,  Acom 2000A
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> I?m selling this equipment now because it is surplus to my needs and I plan on moving.  Less boxes to pack.  Feel free to forward this email.    Contact me directly please at:  gary at w2cs dot net
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> 73/Gary W2CS
> North Chatham, NY
>
>
> For Sale:
>
>   KPA500 and KAT500 pair.  Excellent condition.  Sold as a pair.  ?  $2000 plus shipping
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>   ALSO:  Acom 2000A amplifier.  Excellent condition. Full output power.  New, color screen, control box.  - $3500 plus shipping.  
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:19:54 -0400
> From: "Joseph M. Durnal" <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
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> Elecraft Operators,
>
> I have been off the HF airwaves for several years.  Those darned antenna
> restrictions really take the fun out of it.  But after helping staff the
> K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really
> been itching to get back on the air from home.
>
> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and
> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can
> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got
> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters.
> I also have some common second story grounding issues.  I'm wondering if
> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation.
>
> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:26:27 -0600
> From: "Barthold Lichtenbelt" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>, "'MaverickNH'" <[hidden email]>,
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for
>    UPS
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>> A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and
> that is 1800 watts input.
>
> I would think this depends on the mode you operate in?
>
> For Field Day, I operated my KPA500 (SSB only) with a 1000 watt inverter,
> without any issues the whole weekend.
>
> http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/power-inverters/prowatt-sw.aspx
>
> Barthold
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:43 AM
> To: MaverickNH; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for UPS
>
> Bret,
>
> The power rating of a transmitter is the output power, not the input draw.
>
> If the overall efficiency is something like 33% (quite likely), then the
> input draw will 3 times the output power.
> The efficiency of an RF output stage alone is typically about 50%, but there
> are other circuits in the transmit section that must be added and brings the
> overall efficiency of the transceiver down even more.
> So yes, the input power required is about 3 times the output power.
>
> A KPA500 running on 120 volts just about maxes out a 15 amp circuit, and
> that is 1800 watts input.  The K3 will need about 300 watts additional.
> That means your UPS should be rated at least 2500 watts, but 3000 would be
> more reasonable because it seems you have other gear in the ham station that
> needs to be supported as well.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 8/30/2017 7:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
>> As mentioned in another thread, I'm running my shack on a UPS that is
>> rated 1500va/900w. With my K3S/100 and other hardware plugged in on
>> the same input the UPS often max's out at 900W at < 100W on the K3S.
>> Typically, the baseline with K3S on RX is ~350W and it spikes over
>> 900W with TX at 100W and the UPS limits output. So it seems 100W isn't
> 100W.
>>
>> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W
>> higher, for use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another
>> forum member. so from a 100W station to a 500W station. Might this
>> work or is the increase in watt TX not equal to the watt drawn?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:31:52 -0400
> From: Ross Primrose <[hidden email]>
> To: "Joseph M. Durnal" <[hidden email]>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
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> If the cable run(s) between the K3 & the antenna(s) is fairly short,
> it'd be a great choice.? If you've got long runs, being able to tune at
> the antenna might work better, but might also be harder to keep out of
> sight...
>
> 73, Ross N4RP
>
>> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
>> Elecraft Operators,
>>
>> I have been off the HF airwaves for several years.  Those darned antenna
>> restrictions really take the fun out of it.  But after helping staff the
>> K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really
>> been itching to get back on the air from home.
>>
>> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and
>> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can
>> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got
>> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters.
>> I also have some common second story grounding issues.  I'm wondering if
>> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation.
>>
>> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:33:07 +0100
> From: 2E?LDZ <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 lock power control
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Thanks Keith
>
> Yes. I have been using the lock function to date.  And will carry on in that way.
>
> The issue of what I am trying to do comes up as we are using an amplifier that is not compatible with the ALC control on the K3S therefore the need to minimise the risk of overdriving.  It would be nice to have some flexibility in that for less experienced users (especially as it is my radio I am lending to the club!) so that they can experiment with the power levels up to a set limit, without me risking my radio.
>
> I fully appreciate that if this were in a KX500 setup none of this would be necessary but maybe it could be considered in a future iteration of the software.
>
> cheers for the response.
> Trevor Clapp
> M6LDZ
> 2E0LDZ
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> On 30 Aug 2017, at 16:21, Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> Hi Trevor; I saw your post. This has baffled me when a radio comes in for repair and is LOCKED.
> You can use it for your club operations to lock the power control. Unfortunately, they cannot go LOWER in power either.
> (the word LOCKED is NOT in the manual, so hard to find this).
> (We can set the max power here at the factory but it would require a trip here and back here to un-do the limit- Japan has a 50W mobile limit).
>
> LOCKED shows in the display when attempting to set pwr power mic comp compression controls.
> FiX; Tap 1 in ?PWR SET? menu.
> Tap 1 to LOCK or UNLOCK the MIC, CMP, and PWR controls.
>
> PWR SET NOR If set to NOR, the power level on each band follows the present setting of the
> PWR control. If set to PER-BAND, the power level is saved on each band. This
> is especially useful with external amplifiers (see ALC discussion on page 82.)
> If a KPA500 is connected to the K3S via the ACC cable, two sets of per-band
> power settings are saved: one for ?barefoot? operation, one for use with the amp.
> When the amp is used, an asterisk appears as PWR is rotated (e.g. 30 W*).
>
>
>
>
>
> Trevor Clapp
> M6LDZ
> 2E0LDZ
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:36:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Kevin Anderson <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.
>
> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.
>
> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.
>
> Kevin Anderson
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Kevin Anderson, Dubuque IA USA, K9IUA
> k9iua (at) yahoo (dot) com
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:47:24 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: "Joseph M. Durnal" <[hidden email]>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> Joseph,
>
> The KAT3A has a wide tuning range, and will normally handle a 10:1 SWR.
> If your SWR range is less than that, you will find operating with the
> KAT3A much more pleasant than dealing with a manual tuner.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
>>
>> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and
>> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can
>> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got
>> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters.
>> I also have some common second story grounding issues.  I'm wondering if
>> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:55:02 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] UPS Can Be a Noise Source
> Message-ID:
>    <[hidden email]>
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>
> A UPS consists of a DC power supply that charges a battery, and a DC-AC
> inverter to convert the battery voltage to 120VAC.? Both operations can
> be noisy. The DC power supply is probably a swtich mode, and the
> inverter is a square wave generator that is shaped to resemble a sine wave.
>
> Most UPS units operate in standby mode -- until power fails, the SMPS is
> charging the battery, but the inverter is not operating, and the
> equipment is connected to the power line. When power fails, the inverter
> starts operating.
>
> A FAR better way to provide UPS for radio gear is a 12V deep discharge
> lead acid battery or 14.4V LiFePO4 that is float charged by a suitable
> power supply. And as has been discussed several times, LiFePO4 batteries
> have the major advantage that their operating voltage stays above 13V
> for most of their discharge curve, while lead-acid batteries are below
> 12V for most of their discharge curve. This system is as quiet as the
> power supply used to float-charge the battery.
>
> With either battery type, care must be taken to not overcharge the battery.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> ?On 8/30/2017 4:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
>> I'm looking to switch in another UPS rated 2200VA/1320W, or 420W higher, for
>> use with the KPA500/KAT500 I just acquired from another forum member.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 08:58:06 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> To: Kevin Anderson <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture.
>
> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.
>>
>> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.
>>
>> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.
>>
>> Kevin Anderson
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:15:22 +0300
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> The KAT3A will make it possible to load almost anything. Definitely
> worthwhile. Even with antennas like the ones below.
>
> You might think about an end-fed multiband antenna like this one:
> <http://myantennas.com/wp/product/efhw-8010/>
>
> It will still work if the wire is bent in numerous places. It might fit
> your "random" places.
>
> If that's too big, here's a 40-10m version that's smaller:
> <http://myantennas.com/wp/product/efhw-4010/>
>
> I'm a big partisan of balanced antennas, but if the option is not to
> operate...
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> On 30 Aug 2017 18:19, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
>> Elecraft Operators,
>>
>> I have been off the HF airwaves for several years.  Those darned antenna
>> restrictions really take the fun out of it.  But after helping staff the
>> K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really
>> been itching to get back on the air from home.
>>
>> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and
>> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can
>> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got
>> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters.
>> I also have some common second story grounding issues.  I'm wondering if
>> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation.
>>
>> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:18:08 -0400
> From: Raymond Sills <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Well, certainly, the handwriting was on the wall when you could no longer purchase a 4-band K1.  That said, I feel bad for Perley, who was saving up to get one.  At this point, I suspect he will have to go in a different direction, if he wants a rig to construct himself.  He's pretty much said that he is on a very tight budget, so even saving up for a KX2 might be out of the question.  And, it appears that not too many K1 owners are anxious to put their units on the second-hand market, either because they plan to keep them "forever"... or because at a reasonable "price realized" from a sale is low enough that they will just keep it.  :)
>
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:36:42 -0700 (MST)
> From: N4OI - Ken <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the rest
> of my stuff one day...  But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!!   4-band
> K1 with ATU...  a real, take-anywhere radio!!
>
> 73  
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:42:30 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> To: 2E?LDZ <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email], Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 lock power control
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>
> I've not used ALC from the amp to control the transceiver power in years.  Just set the transceiver power to the required power during tune up of the amp and let the superior transceiver ALC do its job.  This greatly prevents ALC overshoot.  
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:33 AM, 2E?LDZ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Keith
>>
>> Yes. I have been using the lock function to date.  And will carry on in that way.
>>
>> The issue of what I am trying to do comes up as we are using an amplifier that is not compatible with the ALC control on the K3S therefore the need to minimise the risk of overdriving.  It would be nice to have some flexibility in that for less experienced users (especially as it is my radio I am lending to the club!) so that they can experiment with the power levels up to a set limit, without me risking my radio.
>>
>> I fully appreciate that if this were in a KX500 setup none of this would be necessary but maybe it could be considered in a future iteration of the software.
>>
>> cheers for the response.
>> Trevor Clapp
>> M6LDZ
>> 2E0LDZ
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>> RADIO BLOG <http://chopcat.co.uk/page1/blog/index.html>
>>
>> 07900 49 77 11
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 16:21, Keith Trinity WE6R <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Trevor; I saw your post. This has baffled me when a radio comes in for repair and is LOCKED.
>> You can use it for your club operations to lock the power control. Unfortunately, they cannot go LOWER in power either.
>> (the word LOCKED is NOT in the manual, so hard to find this).
>> (We can set the max power here at the factory but it would require a trip here and back here to un-do the limit- Japan has a 50W mobile limit).
>>
>> LOCKED shows in the display when attempting to set pwr power mic comp compression controls.
>> FiX; Tap 1 in ?PWR SET? menu.
>> Tap 1 to LOCK or UNLOCK the MIC, CMP, and PWR controls.
>>
>> PWR SET NOR If set to NOR, the power level on each band follows the present setting of the
>> PWR control. If set to PER-BAND, the power level is saved on each band. This
>> is especially useful with external amplifiers (see ALC discussion on page 82.)
>> If a KPA500 is connected to the K3S via the ACC cable, two sets of per-band
>> power settings are saved: one for ?barefoot? operation, one for use with the amp.
>> When the amp is used, an asterisk appears as PWR is rotated (e.g. 30 W*).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Trevor Clapp
>> M6LDZ
>> 2E0LDZ
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>> RADIO BLOG <http://chopcat.co.uk/page1/blog/index.html>
>>
>> 07900 49 77 11
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:49:15 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> In a recent QST article by Kai KE4PT he describes a nice antenna for portable operation.  
>
> As to 2nd floor stations and grounding, I've operated mine in that configuration for some 20 years.  There is no "station ground".  I do have 3rd pin ground in place and all equipment is  bonded to the station power supply as the common point.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
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>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Joseph,
>>
>> The KAT3A has a wide tuning range, and will normally handle a 10:1 SWR.
>> If your SWR range is less than that, you will find operating with the KAT3A much more pleasant than dealing with a manual tuner.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 8/30/2017 11:19 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and
>>> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can
>>> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got
>>> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters.
>>> I also have some common second story grounding issues.  I'm wondering if
>>> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:30:41 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mike Furrey <[hidden email]>
> To: "Joseph M. Durnal" <[hidden email]>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dusting off the old K3 & Considering a KAT3A
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> When I moved from Houston and house with beams to a Florida apartment but with a big tree outside my door, I ordered the KAT3A. The KAT3 made easy work of my stealth antenna on 40-6 meters.
> Yes, I have a manual tuner and yes I have an LDG 200Pro auto-tuner but the KAT3A was a huge convenience. Go for it.
> 73, Mike WA5POK
>
>
>    On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:21 AM, Joseph M. Durnal <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Elecraft Operators,
>
> I have been off the HF airwaves for several years.? Those darned antenna
> restrictions really take the fun out of it.? But after helping staff the
> K2BSA operation at the Boy Scout National Jamboree this summer I've really
> been itching to get back on the air from home.
>
> I have to come to grips that I'll never have a nice balanced antenna and
> that I'm pretty much limited to random runs of wire here and there that can
> be well hidden. Right now I have a manual MFJ tuner, but I know that got
> old when changing bands or moving from the CW area to phone on 40 meters.
> I also have some common second story grounding issues.? I'm wondering if
> the KAT3A would be a good investment for my K3 given my situation.
>
> 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:40:56 -0400
> From: Paul VanOveren <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] test
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> NF8J
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:56:15 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mike Maloney <[hidden email]>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>,
>    "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for
>    UPS
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> Oh my!? The KPA500 is more efficient than you give it credit.???Since few have instruments to measure ac input parameters, will volunteer actual measurement figures.At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz at 1166.? Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%.?? AC input amps 10.3.?? Awesome!
> 73,Mike? AC5P
>
>    On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:28 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> Tom,
>
> That 3000 watts I mentioned is for everything in the station.
> The KPA500 alone needs 120 volts at about 13 amps, maybe peaking to
> something greater.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 8/30/2017 8:16 AM, KQ5S-Tom wrote:
>> 3000W at 120V is 25 amps.? He had better have a dedicate circuit.? I believe if I had to run a dedicated circuit I would run a 220 circuit for the amp and put everything else on the UPS.
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:15:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced.  I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months.  It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years.
>
> It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight.
>
> Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board.  But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys.  Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday.
>
> Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years.  It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long.  I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2.
>
> Mike / KK5F
> K1 serial 175
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: N4OI - Ken <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Aug 30, 2017 11:36 AM
>>
>> I guess my kids or XYL will dig it out and put it on the market with the
>> rest of my stuff one day...  But man, until then, what a great QRP rig!!
>> 4-band K1 with ATU...  a real, take-anywhere radio!!
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:22:48 -0700
> From: Phil Kane <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattage Draw - K3S/100 vs KPA500/KAT500 - for
>    UPS
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>> On 8/30/2017 10:56 AM, Mike Maloney wrote:
>>
>> At 650W output into 50 ohm load, highest VA recorded was at 14.1 MHz
>> at 1166.  Watts 974 with a pf of 0.83 or 83%.   AC input amps 10.3.
>> Awesome!
>
> I don't have a KPA500 (but I do have a KPA100).  If it is running as a
> true linear amplifier (Class A) maximum theoretical efficiency is 50%.
> I'll let the designer(s) thereof kick that around.  What do I know - I'm
> just a (lowly) EE (with 60 years' experience).  :)
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:53:00 -0400
> From: Buck <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> It was a favorite of mine as well.  Very capable radio that was fun to
> build and operate.  I am really sorry I sold it.  Maybe the skunk works
> at Elecraft can come up with a modern version.  (hint hint).
>
> I know what you are going to say, "They already did.  It is called a KX2."
>
> Buck, k4ia
> Honor Roll
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>> On 8/30/2017 11:58 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> We should have made a formal announcement here. Yes, we discontinued it because certain parts are hard to come by now, making it no longer cost effective for us to manufacture.
>>
>> It was a great product for us, and I used mine for years, taking it on many trips. I thought of it as a ?Sierra on Steroids? at the time (referring to an earlier design I did for the NorCal QRP Club). But we?ve moved on to more versatile field radios, including the KX2 and KX3.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Kevin Anderson via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a little surprised that no mention was made on this e-mail list about the K1 being just recently discontinued.  Or if it had, I missed it and don't find it in a search of the list.
>>>
>>> It is being discussed over the QRP-L list, started by someone disappointed that he just finally had tried to order a K1 this past week or weekend and got the news.
>>>
>>> I presume that some key part has become unavailable, or has parts deemed not worth restocking any longer due to significant decline in demand for the transceiver.
>>>
>>> Kevin Anderson
>>
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:37:14 -0400
> From: Al Scanandoah <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology.
>
> KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack.
>
> Al, K2ZN
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> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 15:50:44 -0500
> From: Gerald Manthey <[hidden email]>
> To: Al Scanandoah <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> Think I will post my K1 4 band and my two extra 2 Bandera for sale.
>
> Gerald.
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 3:39 PM, "Al Scanandoah" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier
> this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a
> means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use,
> even without current technology.
>
> KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds
> down the center spot in the shack.
>
> Al, K2ZN
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:51:28 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> R.I.P. K1.? I never had one, but on a SOTA activation with Rich, NU6T,
> several years ago, we traded rigs for a bit and I got to run his K1.?
> Really great little radio.? I was giving some consideration to selling
> my K2/10 and getting a KX2, but then I spent some time with the K2 on
> the air and 86'd that idea.? My K2 is likely to be part of my estate.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>> On 8/30/2017 1:37 PM, Al Scanandoah wrote:
>> I sat on the fence for too long, and didn't acquire my K1 until earlier this year. I missed out on the 4 band module, but I at least came up with a means to more efficiently swap 2-band modules. It's a very fun rig to use, even without current technology.
>>
>> KX2/KX3/KX(TBD) at some point? Perhaps, but my trusty old K2 still holds down the center spot in the shack.
>>
>> Al, K2ZN
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:57:20 -0400
> From: Bert Craig <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> I don't think I'll ever give up my 4-band K1. Sorry to see it discontinued, however, thanks for developing it in the first place. Kudo to Elecraft.
>
> Vy 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
>
> Sent from my android device.
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> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:48:43 -0700 (MST)
> From: KC6CNN <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 For Sale
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> I am selling my Elecraft K-1.
> It has the 4 band board 40,30,20,15 meters in it.
> It also has two 2 band boards which also cover 40, 30, 20, 15 meters.
> It has the noise blanker and the automatic antenna tuner.
> The K-1 also comes with the tilt stand.
> This radio had had all the current modifications to bring it to date.
> Serial number on this K-1 is number 14, yes within the first 20 radios made.
> I am selling all of this for $500
> The reason I am selling a lot of my ham gear is because I am going to be
> moving to a cabin on a ranch and we only have limited room and will operate
> off of solar power.
> I have two other qrp radios and two 100 watt radios
> Thanks
> Gerald
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> KC6CNN - Gerald
> K1 # 0014
> K3 # 6294
> KX3 # 757
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:23:45 -0500
> From: Jim Allen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> I found a K1 listed a day or so ago on QRZ, the same day his gripe was sent out, with 4 bands, IIRC, and sent the listing to the QRP list.  Whether Purley or anyone else responded to it, I can't say, but if he wanted one, there it was. As of the writing, it appears to be still available.
>
> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:12:09 +0000
> From: Bill Johnson <[hidden email]>
> To: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>, Elecraft Reflector
>    <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P
> Message-ID:
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> There's and RC hobby there as well with the great fly in.  Too bad we didn't see the landing of the Drone or get more info on success of the portable op... unless I missed it.  Hi!
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:45 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner discovers Heaven/P
>
> Mike, KM6AB, has found what may be the coolest portable operating location ever. Here?s a link to his video:
>
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumdRbqLI00
>
> Also see his description below. Now, don?t everyone rush to this QTH all at the same time!
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> * * *
>
> Here is a quick video operating my KX2 from a tiny island feeding a 20m end fed half wave (64:1 transformer and 32ft of wire) hanging from a 33ft fiberglass mast. The island is in Huntington Lake, CA in the Sierra mtns above Fresno. Still pics can be grabbed from the video and near the end of the video I'm holding up the KX2 as the drone flies by. The caption could simply be " Elecraft Island".
>
> 73,
>
> Mike KM6AB
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 19:14:39 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Discontinued
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> Mike and all,
>
> Yes, both the K1 and the K2 have had an exceptionally long lifetime
> compared to other ham transceivers.  I received my Field Test K2 late
> 1998, so my SN 0020 is 19 years old.
> Even though the K1 (and KX1) have been discontinued, support will
> continue for as long as the replacement parts and knowledge base exists.
>
> The K2 continues to be available, and Elecraft has taken some 'heroic'
> steps to provide quite usable substitutes for several parts that have
> disappeared because they are no longer manufactured.
> How long that can continue is anyone's guess, but I can say that
> Elecraft is dedicated to continuing support for the K2 for as long as
> possible.
>
> As an extension of that philosophy, I expect that those who have the K3
> will enjoy similar support for years to come.  Same for those who have
> purchased the K3S, KX3 and KX2 as well as other Elecraft products.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 8/30/2017 2:15 PM, Mike Morrow wrote:
>> I saw the K1 first at Dsyton 2000, just after it was announced.  I ordered one immediately, but delivery did not happen for almost six months.  It is one of my favorite electronic devices from the past 50 years.
>>
>> It covered 15 meters, and consumed only about 60 mA on receive, with backlight.
>>
>> Two years ago mine took a lightening strike through the DC input which killed a couple of regulators, some diodes, and a DA converter on the front panel board.  But tests show the MPU still functions and displays and responds to the keys.  Perhaps I'll get around to fixing it someday.
>>
>> Not many rigs (except the K2) have had a production and sales run of 17 years.  It will be missed, but I don't know how it was kept in production that long.  I suspect it had a unit cost to Elecraft not significantly less than the KX2.
>
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