Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 163, Issue 25

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>   1. Re: O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S. Navy
>      (Fred Jensen)
>   2. Walwarts - linear supplies (N2TK, Tony)
>   3. Re: Walwarts - linear supplies (JT Croteau)
>   4. Re: Walwarts - linear supplies (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>   5. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Jim Miller)
>   6. Re: Walwarts - linear supplies (Jim Brown)
>   7. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Tom)
>   8. Re: Walwarts - linear supplies (N2TK, Tony)
>   9. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Fred Jensen)
>  10. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Jim Miller)
>  11. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Don Wilhelm)
>  12. Re: Walwarts - linear supplies (Ron D'Eau Claire)
>  13. Re: [KX2] Cannot turn off switch cw tones (Don Wilhelm)
>  14. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Jim Miller)
>  15. Re: [KX2] Cannot turn off switch cw tones (Wayne Burdick)
>  16. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (tomb18)
>  17. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Richard Ferch)
>  18. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Walter Underwood)
>  19. Re: K3 speaker with Remoterig (Rick Tavan)
>  20. K1 Fix and Align (Thom)
>  21. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Fred Jensen)
>  22. Re: K1 Fix and Align (Don Wilhelm)
>  23. Re: Walwarts - linear supplies (Brian Hunt)
>  24. Re: Digitized IF over IP? (Jim Miller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:33:51 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] O.T. Morse is not dead, at least in the U.S.
>    Navy
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> OK, what's different then from WW2 signal lamp usage?? I thought they
> were using a modified lamp with QRQ Morse decoded in some sort of
> hardward/software device, or a digital mode.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>> On 11/19/2017 6:48 PM, dyarnes wrote:
>> Fred and All,
>>
>> I think Morse is exactly what they are using with the signal lamps.  The article I read about this confirmed that.
>>
>> Dave W7AQK
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> There was a recent URL posted involving using the venerable signal
>> lamps for high speed communications between ships.? I don't think it was
>> Morse however.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:37:08 -0500
> From: "N2TK, Tony" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
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> I believe recently there was talk about noise from walwarts.  Jameco
> Reliapro offers a line of linear regulated walwarts. They are reasonable in
> price and so far noise free.
>
> They range from 2-24VDC with .2-1A output.
>
> N2TK, Tony
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:57:08 -0500
> From: JT Croteau <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
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> They are nice warts Tony.  I have a 1A 12VAC Jameco Reliapro wallwart
> for my beverage direction controller.  It is extremely clean and noise
> free.
>
> 73
> N1ESE
>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:37 PM, N2TK, Tony <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I believe recently there was talk about noise from walwarts.  Jameco
>> Reliapro offers a line of linear regulated walwarts. They are reasonable in
>> price and so far noise free.
>>
>> They range from 2-24VDC with .2-1A output.
>>
>> N2TK, Tony
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> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:17:02 -0500
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
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> All Electroncs (www.allelectronics.com) has analog wall warts of various
> voltage/current capability depending on what is available in surplus at
> any given time.  One may not even need regulated voltage as many devices
> contain internal regulators ...
>
> They presently show 12 V @ 500 mA and 12.5V @ 410 mA units that appear
> to be analog for less than $5.00 each in Q=1.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>> On 11/20/2017 3:37 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> I believe recently there was talk about noise from walwarts.  Jameco
>> Reliapro offers a line of linear regulated walwarts. They are reasonable in
>> price and so far noise free.
>>
>> They range from 2-24VDC with .2-1A output.
>>
>> N2TK, Tony
>>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:21:18 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>
> To: Tom <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
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> Although the IF frequency is 8.215Mhz the bandwidth at that frequency can't
> be that much. Wouldn't down converting or sampling then down before down
> converting yield a much more reasonable data stream?
>
> As you suggest further processing before sending over IP to something that
> can be reasonably displayed would make sense as well.
>
> My desire is to not have a PC at the remote station. Something embedded is
> fine.
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
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>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> That would be incredibly inefficient if you really want the whole IF. The
>> IF output of the K3 is 8.215 MHz so you would have to sample at twice this.
>> On the other hand, the original questions was "Has anyone digitized the
>> K3S IF and streamed it over an IP connection?"  and the answer is yes, many
>> people people have.
>> However, there is always something sampling the IF at the K3 and then
>> providing some sort of processing before hand.
>> For example you could hook up an SDRPlay and sample at 2MHz and you will
>> then have a maximum bandwidth of 2MHz.  That will be perfectly fine.
>> However, again, it is not that efficient.  What do you want your panadapter
>> to display?  Your display has a finite number of pixels.  Today, the
>> highest resolution would be 4K where you have 3840 data points.  Why send
>> all 4 million data points when you need to display only 3840?  Of course
>> I'm simplifying this a lot but it's the general idea.
>> There are lots of solutions out there.  Just look up software defined
>> radios and dongles and find some drivers that will stream the data.
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Miller
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 2:32 PM
>> To: Tom
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
>>
>> Remote panadapter
>>
>> Jim ab3cv
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> The questions is why?  What are you trying to achieve? Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Sent: Monday,
>> November 20, 2017 2:14 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re:
>> [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
>> Latency is going to be a huge problem.
>>
>> 73 -- Lynn
>>
>>> On 11/20/2017 11:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>> Has anyone digitized the K3s IF and streamed it over an IP connection?
>>> 73
>>> Jim ab3cv
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:41:46 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
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> Older wall warts are linear.? If you're smart enough to have saved them,
> there's a good chance you won't have buy anything.? Simply select one
> with the matching voltage and rated for the needed current, cut the
> cables to both old and new warts, splice the old wart to the connector
> that mates with the unit you need to power.
>
> Older warts are often available at second hand stores and flea markets.
> $1 is the going rate. In general, linear warts are much heavier than
> SMPS units, so that's a good first check. A better one is to plug it
> into AC and hold a portable radio next to it tuned somewhere near 2 MHz
> (like the top of the AM BC band). If you hear hash, it's a switcher. If
> you don't., 99% chance that it's linear.
>
> All of this is described in http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>> On 11/20/2017 1:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> All Electroncs (www.allelectronics.com) has analog wall warts of various
>> voltage/current capability depending on what is available in surplus at
>> any given time.? One may not even need regulated voltage as many devices
>> contain internal regulators ...
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:45:02 -0500
> From: "Tom" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Jim Miller" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
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> Yes, that is the idea.  There are already some SDR?s that will do this, without the need for a PC.  Here is an example
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SDR-IP.html
>
> Of course if you want to do this yourself, it depends where you want to start...
> 73
>
>
> From: Jim Miller
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:21 PM
> To: Tom
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
>
> Although the IF frequency is 8.215Mhz the bandwidth at that frequency can't be that much. Wouldn't down converting or sampling then down before down converting yield a much more reasonable data stream?
>
> As you suggest further processing before sending over IP to something that can be reasonably displayed would make sense as well.
>
> My desire is to not have a PC at the remote station. Something embedded is fine.
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:45:09 -0500
> From: "N2TK, Tony" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>,    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
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> Jim,
> Good tip. I want to try that with some of my old walwarts
> N2tK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 4:42 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
>
> Older wall warts are linear.  If you're smart enough to have saved them, there's a good chance you won't have buy anything.  Simply select one with the matching voltage and rated for the needed current, cut the cables to both old and new warts, splice the old wart to the connector that mates with the unit you need to power.
>
> Older warts are often available at second hand stores and flea markets.
> $1 is the going rate. In general, linear warts are much heavier than SMPS units, so that's a good first check. A better one is to plug it into AC and hold a portable radio next to it tuned somewhere near 2 MHz (like the top of the AM BC band). If you hear hash, it's a switcher. If you don't., 99% chance that it's linear.
>
> All of this is described in http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>> On 11/20/2017 1:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> All Electroncs (www.allelectronics.com) has analog wall warts of
>> various voltage/current capability depending on what is available in
>> surplus at any given time.  One may not even need regulated voltage as
>> many devices contain internal regulators ...
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:45:24 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
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> The P3 is the biggest thing I miss when operating remote to W7RN.? I
> bought my P3 as a "toy" but it's the only thing I look at now.? The
> station is about 60 km from me, I've thought about getting an easement
> and running 60 km of RG-58 down to my P3, but I doubt I'd have any
> signal at the house [:-)
>
> Was thinking of mixing the 8.1 MHz IF down to baseband, sampling it and
> feeding it down on the iNet, mixing it back to something the P3 will
> tune to.? I think there are devices on the market to do something like
> that, just haven't pursued it yet.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>> On 11/20/2017 12:10 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote:
>> Somebody must have already written the code to collect several hundred
>> FFT bins of 100 or 125 millisecond duration over IP as single-line
>> updates to a display app on the far end. With typical compression (LZV,
>> RLL, etc.) that would yield around a 300kbps bitstream or so for 512
>> frequency bins and 1/8-sec updates; not really a lot of data for most
>> modern Internet connections.
>>
>> This is all really well-understood technology which is well supported by
>> a number of development environments.
>>
>> I couldn't tell you what commercial products do this, if they do exist.
>>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:37:39 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>
> To: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
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> Perhaps if Wayne and Eric (and Lyle) are listening perhaps there is a
> market for a IP-P3. Most of the P3 as it stands is an empty case. Maybe
> something that could be an addon?
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The P3 is the biggest thing I miss when operating remote to W7RN.  I
>> bought my P3 as a "toy" but it's the only thing I look at now.  The station
>> is about 60 km from me, I've thought about getting an easement and running
>> 60 km of RG-58 down to my P3, but I doubt I'd have any signal at the house
>> [:-)
>>
>> Was thinking of mixing the 8.1 MHz IF down to baseband, sampling it and
>> feeding it down on the iNet, mixing it back to something the P3 will tune
>> to.  I think there are devices on the market to do something like that,
>> just haven't pursued it yet.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 11/20/2017 12:10 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote:
>>>
>>> Somebody must have already written the code to collect several hundred
>>> FFT bins of 100 or 125 millisecond duration over IP as single-line
>>> updates to a display app on the far end. With typical compression (LZV,
>>> RLL, etc.) that would yield around a 300kbps bitstream or so for 512
>>> frequency bins and 1/8-sec updates; not really a lot of data for most
>>> modern Internet connections.
>>>
>>> This is all really well-understood technology which is well supported by
>>> a number of development environments.
>>>
>>> I couldn't tell you what commercial products do this, if they do exist.
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:26:20 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Skip,
>
> Have you considered a VNC connection to a computer local to the K3/P3?
> Of course, that will not show you the P3 screen nor even the SVGA screen
> (unless it is done using a camera), but if the P3 IF OUT is connected to
> an LP-PAN box, the baseband I/Q outputs from LPpan run to a quality
> soundcard can produce a panadapter display on the computer monitor.
> NaP3 will also provide rig control, and Win4K3 will do that as well and
> also allow linking with several other logging applications, CW Skimmer,
> and many others.
> I am not certain about latency concerns, and that may be a problem on
> CW, but it may not be a problem on phone.
>
> Tom VA2FSQ (the author of Win4K3) has some other possibilities such as
> his support for video capture of the P3/SVGA screen, so that may give
> you some additional possibilities for solutions.  Take a look at
> https://va2fsq.com/
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 11/20/2017 4:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> The P3 is the biggest thing I miss when operating remote to W7RN.? I
>> bought my P3 as a "toy" but it's the only thing I look at now.? The
>> station is about 60 km from me, I've thought about getting an easement
>> and running 60 km of RG-58 down to my P3, but I doubt I'd have any
>> signal at the house [:-)
>>
>> Was thinking of mixing the 8.1 MHz IF down to baseband, sampling it and
>> feeding it down on the iNet, mixing it back to something the P3 will
>> tune to.? I think there are devices on the market to do something like
>> that, just haven't pursued it yet.
>>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:42:35 -0800
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
> Message-ID: <002201d36259$3e7458a0$bb5d09e0$@biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>
> I have a several linear wall-warts that I collected over the years which I guard jealously.
>
> However a few of them are only a transformer and provide low-voltage AC to the equipment. The rectifiers were included in the item being powered.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 1:42 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
>
> Older wall warts are linear.  If you're smart enough to have saved them, there's a good chance you won't have buy anything.  Simply select one with the matching voltage and rated for the needed current, cut the cables to both old and new warts, splice the old wart to the connector that mates with the unit you need to power.
>
> Older warts are often available at second hand stores and flea markets.
> $1 is the going rate. In general, linear warts are much heavier than SMPS units, so that's a good first check. A better one is to plug it into AC and hold a portable radio next to it tuned somewhere near 2 MHz (like the top of the AM BC band). If you hear hash, it's a switcher. If you don't., 99% chance that it's linear.
>
> All of this is described in http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>> On 11/20/2017 1:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> All Electroncs (www.allelectronics.com) has analog wall warts of
>> various voltage/current capability depending on what is available in
>> surplus at any given time.  One may not even need regulated voltage as
>> many devices contain internal regulators ...
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:44:55 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: Stephen Prior <[hidden email]>,    Elecraft
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] Cannot turn off switch cw tones
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> Stephen,
>
> I do not see anything definitive saying how to turn it off, but on the
> assumption that it might be a toggle, hold down APF, Rate, and A/B while
> powering on again.  If it turns off, that is good, but if it is still
> present, you will have to wait until Wayne can tell us how to turn it
> off (hopefully it is not EEINIT).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 11/20/2017 2:42 PM, Stephen Prior wrote:
>> I was playing with the new features in 2.81 and enabled the tones by
>> holding down APF (plus Rate and A/B) at start-up.  All works great, the
>> double tap on PTT gives the freq. etc.  However, having established that it
>> works, I'm now stuck in the mode.  I can go into Setup and turn SW tones to
>> off but when I turn the KX2 off and then on again, the SW tones is now set
>> back to 20!
>>
>> I have read everything I can find, but I cannot see how to get out of this
>> so that I have no tones of any description.
>>
>> Any advice gratefully received!
>>
>> Thanks and 73, Stephen G4SJP
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:52:16 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID:
>    <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Doing a screen grab is certainly possible a variety of ways. But it would
> seem to me that doing the FFT of a realistic size and update rate and just
> streaming the data to the control location would likely be more efficient.
> Most of the SVGA display is blank at any point in time and a waste of
> bandwidth. Doing an A/D converter and feeding an FPGA for the FFT must have
> been done before by the HPSDR guys. https://openhpsdr.org/
> The control point can then display the data, average it as desired, provide
> a waterfall of it, etc.
>
> Something with 1024 or 2048 points and 10bits of data would make a good
> place to get a start on feasibility. The control of such a remote device
> would probably need SPAN, CENTER (freq offset), SCALE (gain) and REF LVL.
> Along with the data stream would need to come the band/freq info from the
> K3s. The rest would be in the Control Point display, likely software.
>
> I really don't need to outperform the P3 but it's probably possible to do
> so. Just having the P3 as it is and being able to have the screen remotely
> would be a great capability.
>
> I recently worked at a station which didn't have K3/P3 at all locations and
> it was like walking around in the dark!!
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> Have you considered a VNC connection to a computer local to the K3/P3?
>> Of course, that will not show you the P3 screen nor even the SVGA screen
>> (unless it is done using a camera), but if the P3 IF OUT is connected to an
>> LP-PAN box, the baseband I/Q outputs from LPpan run to a quality soundcard
>> can produce a panadapter display on the computer monitor. NaP3 will also
>> provide rig control, and Win4K3 will do that as well and also allow linking
>> with several other logging applications, CW Skimmer, and many others.
>> I am not certain about latency concerns, and that may be a problem on CW,
>> but it may not be a problem on phone.
>>
>> Tom VA2FSQ (the author of Win4K3) has some other possibilities such as his
>> support for video capture of the P3/SVGA screen, so that may give you some
>> additional possibilities for solutions.  Take a look at
>> https://va2fsq.com/
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 11/20/2017 4:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>>
>>> The P3 is the biggest thing I miss when operating remote to W7RN.  I
>>> bought my P3 as a "toy" but it's the only thing I look at now.  The station
>>> is about 60 km from me, I've thought about getting an easement and running
>>> 60 km of RG-58 down to my P3, but I doubt I'd have any signal at the house
>>> [:-)
>>>
>>> Was thinking of mixing the 8.1 MHz IF down to baseband, sampling it and
>>> feeding it down on the iNet, mixing it back to something the P3 will tune
>>> to.  I think there are devices on the market to do something like that,
>>> just haven't pursued it yet.
>>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:58:22 -0800
> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> To: Stephen Prior <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] Cannot turn off switch cw tones
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Stephen,
>
> That sounds like a bug that I didn?t catch. I?ll get on it right away. Meanwhile, you might try powering up in SSB mode, then changing the SW setting, then turning power off. Let me know if this works.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Stephen Prior <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I was playing with the new features in 2.81 and enabled the tones by
>> holding down APF (plus Rate and A/B) at start-up.  All works great, the
>> double tap on PTT gives the freq. etc.  However, having established that it
>> works, I'm now stuck in the mode.  I can go into Setup and turn SW tones to
>> off but when I turn the KX2 off and then on again, the SW tones is now set
>> back to 20!
>>
>> I have read everything I can find, but I cannot see how to get out of this
>> so that I have no tones of any description.
>>
>> Any advice gratefully received!
>>
>> Thanks and 73, Stephen G4SJP
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:10:42 -0500
> From: tomb18 <[hidden email]>
> To: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi?Here is a demo using remote rig, and a kx3.?https://youtu.be/8--Vk2WWLok
> In this case, the videos author is using a product from Eltima that streams a sound card? USB port over TCP. This again requires a pc at the radio end to stream the output of the sound card to the remote computer. But as you can see it works well.?
> Also don't underestimate the capabilities of screen sharing programs. They do of course require a computer at the radio end but then there are loads of possibilities.?There is also a pure teamviewer solution that can be used with many different clients.?
> https://youtu.be/kWa7zSBeD6Q&sns?
> There are lots of possibilities. The P3 however, doesn't have the ability. There is on the other hand, a port in the back that was intended for this purpose but never implemented.?73 Tom?
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Miller <[hidden email]> Date: 2017-11-20  6:52 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Doing a screen grab is certainly possible a variety of ways. But it would
> seem to me that doing the FFT of a realistic size and update rate and just
> streaming the data to the control location would likely be more efficient.
> Most of the SVGA display is blank at any point in time and a waste of
> bandwidth. Doing an A/D converter and feeding an FPGA for the FFT must have
> been done before by the HPSDR guys. https://openhpsdr.org/
> The control point can then display the data, average it as desired, provide
> a waterfall of it, etc.
>
> Something with 1024 or 2048 points and 10bits of data would make a good
> place to get a start on feasibility. The control of such a remote device
> would probably need SPAN, CENTER (freq offset), SCALE (gain) and REF LVL.
> Along with the data stream would need to come the band/freq info from the
> K3s. The rest would be in the Control Point display, likely software.
>
> I really don't need to outperform the P3 but it's probably possible to do
> so. Just having the P3 as it is and being able to have the screen remotely
> would be a great capability.
>
> I recently worked at a station which didn't have K3/P3 at all locations and
> it was like walking around in the dark!!
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> Have you considered a VNC connection to a computer local to the K3/P3?
>> Of course, that will not show you the P3 screen nor even the SVGA screen
>> (unless it is done using a camera), but if the P3 IF OUT is connected to an
>> LP-PAN box, the baseband I/Q outputs from LPpan run to a quality soundcard
>> can produce a panadapter display on the computer monitor. NaP3 will also
>> provide rig control, and Win4K3 will do that as well and also allow linking
>> with several other logging applications, CW Skimmer, and many others.
>> I am not certain about latency concerns, and that may be a problem on CW,
>> but it may not be a problem on phone.
>>
>> Tom VA2FSQ (the author of Win4K3) has some other possibilities such as his
>> support for video capture of the P3/SVGA screen, so that may give you some
>> additional possibilities for solutions.? Take a look at
>> https://va2fsq.com/
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 11/20/2017 4:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>>
>>> The P3 is the biggest thing I miss when operating remote to W7RN.? I
>>> bought my P3 as a "toy" but it's the only thing I look at now.? The station
>>> is about 60 km from me, I've thought about getting an easement and running
>>> 60 km of RG-58 down to my P3, but I doubt I'd have any signal at the house
>>> [:-)
>>>
>>> Was thinking of mixing the 8.1 MHz IF down to baseband, sampling it and
>>> feeding it down on the iNet, mixing it back to something the P3 will tune
>>> to.? I think there are devices on the market to do something like that,
>>> just haven't pursued it yet.
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:50:28 -0500
> From: Richard Ferch <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID:
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>
> Relaying FFT spectrum data to another computer is certainly doable.
>
> For example, N1MM Logger+ can relay its spectrum display window to other
> instances of N1MM+ over a LAN or the Internet. If you have a copy of N1MM+
> running at the radio site and equipped to display a spectrum window, that
> copy of N1MM+ can relay its spectrum window data to another copy of N1MM+
> running somewhere else. Either copy of N1MM+ can be the one doing the
> actual logging.
>
> With a K3/K3S, at the radio site you would need an SDR such as the SDRPlay,
> or an LP-PAN plus a good sound card, plus software: Win4K3Suite, or N2IC's
> Waterfall Bandmap program, together with a copy of N1MM+. At the remote
> control site, all you need is N1MM+. See the online documentation for N1MM+
> (the Spectrum Display Window web page) for details.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:58:12 -0800
> From: Walter Underwood <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Sending spectrum data means you only need to send the new line of data. So every second or so, it sends another 1024 data points. With 16 bit integers, that would be 2 kbytes, but simple arithmetic coding (lossless compression) would reduce that to under a kbyte, or about 8000 bits/s. That is one packet on a slow link.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Richard Ferch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Relaying FFT spectrum data to another computer is certainly doable.
>>
>> For example, N1MM Logger+ can relay its spectrum display window to other
>> instances of N1MM+ over a LAN or the Internet. If you have a copy of N1MM+
>> running at the radio site and equipped to display a spectrum window, that
>> copy of N1MM+ can relay its spectrum window data to another copy of N1MM+
>> running somewhere else. Either copy of N1MM+ can be the one doing the
>> actual logging.
>>
>> With a K3/K3S, at the radio site you would need an SDR such as the SDRPlay,
>> or an LP-PAN plus a good sound card, plus software: Win4K3Suite, or N2IC's
>> Waterfall Bandmap program, together with a copy of N1MM+. At the remote
>> control site, all you need is N1MM+. See the online documentation for N1MM+
>> (the Spectrum Display Window web page) for details.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rich VE3KI
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:09:53 -0800
> From: Rick Tavan <[hidden email]>
> To: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 speaker with Remoterig
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> You can switch an external speaker (or two) between the radio and the RRC.
> You might need a little amplification, depending on the efficiency of the
> chosen speaker(s). Powered computer speakers should do nicely.
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
>
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee, CA
>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Jorge,
>>
>> You said "K3".  RemoteRig with a K3 is a bit different than with a K3s or
>> K3/0.  With the K3, the receive audio is on the SP jack on the RRC 1258.
>> It never gets into the control K3 radio.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 11/20/2017 10:47 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I use K3 speaker, I programmed RIT button to switch SPKR+PH to YES and NO
>>>
>>> Now I connected Remoterig, and on control radio, I am not able to listen
>>> to
>>> K3 speaker
>>>
>>> How can I do to listen to K3 speaker, so, to hear K3 speaker when  SPKR+PH
>>> = YES ?
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:11:16 -0500
> From: Thom <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Fix and Align
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I built my K1 and I was so careful to make sure I did everything right.
>
> I have the receiver aligned but for some reason I cannot get the
> transmitter to align at all.
>
> I do not have the time,? with everything going on, to try and
> troubleshoot this thing.
>
> I would like to find someone I can send this radio to and get it up and
> running like it should.
>
> Please send me a private email if you can help.
>
> thanks
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:14:35 -0800
> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Agreed Jim,? Only the top line of the waterfall changes, all the rest is
> history that could easily be replicated at the control site. In that
> scheme, one would just send the output of the FFT and do all the display
> at the control site.? However, whatever is involved, I would also like
> to be able to push the buttons and turn the knob.? The max BW required
> at the 1st IF to just bring it down and feed my P3 is 200 KHz, and I
> never use more than 50 KHz spans, usually 20 KHz on CW.? With RemoteRig,
> my K3 looks, feels, and sounds like it is actually making the RF.? Would
> be nice to include the P3 in that.
>
> Interesting ensemble of engineering tradeoffs, no?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>> On 11/20/2017 3:52 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> Doing a screen grab is certainly possible a variety of ways. But it
>> would seem to me that doing the FFT of a realistic size and update
>> rate and just streaming the data to the control location would likely
>> be more efficient. Most of the SVGA display is blank at any point in
>> time and a waste of bandwidth. Doing an A/D converter and feeding an
>> FPGA for the FFT must have been done before by the HPSDR guys.
>> https://openhpsdr.org/
>> The control point can then display the data, average it as desired,
>> provide a waterfall of it, etc.
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:41:02 -0500
> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
> To: Thom <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Fix and Align
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Thom,
>
> I am ignoring your request for a private email - but I believe I can
> help, and there may be other K1 users out there who may want similar
> information.
>
> First I need to ask what specifically are you having trouble with in the
> transmit alignment.
>
> If it is that you cannot adjust the pre-mixer and RF bandpass filters on
> the band board, all I can say is that you should re-do the receive
> alignment with a strong signal source of a known frequency within the
> tuning range of the K1.  Although on-the-air signals may be sufficient,
> they may not tell the entire story.
>
> First make certain the BFO is adjusted properly to peak the FL3 passband
> at your preferred sidetone pitch.
> Then turn the switch on the bottom of the K1 board to the TEST position
> and adjust the TX Offset trimmer so the audio frequency is the same as
> your sidetone pitch (use SPOT to zero beat).  Spectrogram is useful in
> setting te audio pitch properly.  You can download Spectrogram from my
> website www.w3fpr.com.  Scroll down on the opening page for the links.
>
> After doing that, re-do the Premixer and RF Bandpass adjustments in
> transmit mode with the OUT parameter set to 1.5 watts.  Adjust for peak
> output power on each band.
>
> I can do the alignment/repair/calibration of your K1 if you do not want
> to pursue it on your own.
>
> You can send me a private email and I will send you my service form.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 11/20/2017 8:11 PM, Thom wrote:
>> I built my K1 and I was so careful to make sure I did everything right.
>>
>> I have the receiver aligned but for some reason I cannot get the
>> transmitter to align at all.
>>
>> I do not have the time,? with everything going on, to try and
>> troubleshoot this thing.
>>
>> I would like to find someone I can send this radio to and get it up and
>> running like it should.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:50:49 -0800
> From: Brian Hunt <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Walwarts - linear supplies
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>
> Be careful using the non-regulated linear wall warts. The open circuit voltage can be more than 16 VDC and could be harmful to gear not rated that high. Best to measure OC first!
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 21:02:09 -0500
> From: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>
> To: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digitized IF over IP?
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>
> And if it?s all bundled up as a P3/0-Mini I have no problem with that.
>
> 73
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
> On Nov 20, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Agreed Jim,  Only the top line of the waterfall changes, all the rest is history that could easily be replicated at the control site. In that scheme, one would just send the output of the FFT and do all the display at the control site.  However, whatever is involved, I would also like to be able to push the buttons and turn the knob.  The max BW required at the 1st IF to just bring it down and feed my P3 is 200 KHz, and I never use more than 50 KHz spans, usually 20 KHz on CW.  With RemoteRig, my K3 looks, feels, and sounds like it is actually making the RF.  Would be nice to include the P3 in that.
>
> Interesting ensemble of engineering tradeoffs, no?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
>> On 11/20/2017 3:52 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> Doing a screen grab is certainly possible a variety of ways. But it would seem to me that doing the FFT of a realistic size and update rate and just streaming the data to the control location would likely be more efficient. Most of the SVGA display is blank at any point in time and a waste of bandwidth. Doing an A/D converter and feeding an FPGA for the FFT must have been done before by the HPSDR guys. https://openhpsdr.org/
>> The control point can then display the data, average it as desired, provide a waterfall of it, etc.
>>
>
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