Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 163, Issue 9

[Kenneth Lopez-2]

Yard house is fine

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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Edward R Cole)
>   2. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Doug Person)
>   3. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>   4. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
>   5. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Walter Underwood)
>   6. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Bill Johnson)
>   7. Re: K3 / K3s Filters Available - Update (Doug Hensley)
>   8. K2 S/N.7723 Lives :) (Martin Sole)
>   9. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Ron D'Eau Claire)
>  10. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Graziano Roccon)
>  11. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T)
>  12. kxpd3 question (JEROME SODUS)
>  13. Re: kxpd3 question (Clay Autery)
>  14. Re: kxpd3 question (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
>  15. Re: kxpd3 question (rich hurd WC3T)
>  16. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T)
>  17. Re: kxpd3 question ([hidden email])
>  18. Re: kxpd3 question (Gary Smith)
>  19. Re: kxpd3 question (Dave Sublette)
>  20. Re: kxpd3 question (Mark Petiford)
>  21. Re: kxpd3 question (Ron D'Eau Claire)
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>   1. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Edward R Cole)
>   2. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Doug Person)
>   3. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>   4. Re: Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500 (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
>   5. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Walter Underwood)
>   6. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Bill Johnson)
>   7. Re: K3 / K3s Filters Available - Update (Doug Hensley)
>   8. K2 S/N.7723 Lives :) (Martin Sole)
>   9. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Ron D'Eau Claire)
>  10. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Graziano Roccon)
>  11. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T)
>  12. kxpd3 question (JEROME SODUS)
>  13. Re: kxpd3 question (Clay Autery)
>  14. Re: kxpd3 question (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
>  15. Re: kxpd3 question (rich hurd WC3T)
>  16. Re: Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028! (Charlie T)
>  17. Re: kxpd3 question ([hidden email])
>  18. Re: kxpd3 question (Gary Smith)
>  19. Re: kxpd3 question (Dave Sublette)
>  20. Re: kxpd3 question (Mark Petiford)
>  21. Re: kxpd3 question (Ron D'Eau Claire)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 12:45:23 -0900
> From: Edward R Cole <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
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> Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales.  10,000
> sounds like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture
> (only Wayne and Eric know what the break even point was).  As a
> (former) small business  owner, I know that is not trivial to
> estimate.  Even more important to achieve.
>
> I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders
> were taken and I received SN 475.
>
> I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one.  Only thing it
> did better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation.  I
> now have an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband
> duplex satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig).
>
> But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF
> performance.  I have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100,
> which works really nice as mobile rig.  I bought it with 2m promised,
> thinking of using that as IF for portable mw operating.  It will get
> its first real workout Aug. 18/19 (2018) at the most northern point
> in Michigan's UP attempting 10-GHz across Lake Superior to MN and
> ON.  That weekend is the first of two for the ARRL 10-GHz Up Contest.
>
> I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use
> the KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home.
>
> I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me
> to monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3
> plus transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz
> where there is no local SSB activity.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>   http://www.kl7uw.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:53:51 -0700
> From: Doug Person <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> I used the FT-817 for a long time for QRP CW, RTTY and PSK using a
> NUE-PSK digital modem. It was as great combination and a lot of fun. I
> now have a KX2 which , obviously, is very superior to the old 817. Yet
> it was a very revolutionary radio that could do an incredible number of
> things. I think the KX2/3 are also very revolutionary. An awesome
> receiver in a hand-holdable, lightweight package. Bicycle mobile with
> the KX2 is an amazing experience.
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
>
>> On 11/8/2017 2:45 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales.? 10,000
>> sounds like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture
>> (only Wayne and Eric know what the break even point was).? As a
>> (former) small business? owner, I know that is not trivial to
>> estimate.? Even more important to achieve.
>>
>> I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders
>> were taken and I received SN 475.
>>
>> I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one.? Only thing it
>> did better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation.? I
>> now have an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband
>> duplex satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig).
>>
>> But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF performance.?
>> I have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100, which works really
>> nice as mobile rig.? I bought it with 2m promised, thinking of using
>> that as IF for portable mw operating. It will get its first real
>> workout Aug. 18/19 (2018) at the most northern point in Michigan's UP
>> attempting 10-GHz across Lake Superior to MN and ON.? That weekend is
>> the first of two for the ARRL 10-GHz Up Contest.
>>
>> I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use
>> the KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home.
>>
>> I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me
>> to monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3
>> plus transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz
>> where there is no local SSB activity.
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> ? http://www.kl7uw.com
>> Dubus-NA Business mail:
>> ? [hidden email]
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:55:12 -0500
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500
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> Posted to the Elecraft list three months ago:
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>>> On 8/4/2017 8:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza wrote:
>>> I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 Tax (S+H
>>> FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward to install.
>>> I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to loosen under the
>>> rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in less than a week. Much cheaper
>>> than a new headset.
>>> Mike VE3EQP .....
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>> On 11/8/2017 2:10 PM, Dick Grolleman wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm looking for replacement earpads for my Yamaha CM500. Yahama does not sell in EU.  I know some use Koss replacements. I can get Koss over here in EU. I just need to know which type does fit the Yamaha CM500. Any advise please.
>>
>>
>> 73 de Dick PA3FQA
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 21:08:11 -0300
> From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <[hidden email]>
> To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Replacement earpads for Yamaha CM500
> Message-ID:
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> unfortunately not a friendly company
>
> is hard to find on this days a company with this policies
>
> *"The credit card has to be issued by a U.S. company and the billing
> address must be in the U.S"*
>
> from amazon, maybe this work but not sure
> https://www.amazon.com/Products-Replacement-Headphone-Earpad-Cushion/dp/B01MR6PL5V/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1510186015&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=koss+ur40+pads
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
>
> 2017-11-08 20:55 GMT-03:00 Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]>:
>
>>
>> Posted to the Elecraft list three months ago:
>>
>>> On 8/4/2017 8:10 PM, mpupeza mpupeza wrote:
>>>
>>>> I ordered Koss UR40 cushions from Koss and they were $5.00 + $0.35 Tax
>>>> (S+H
>>>> FREE) to my Winter Home in Florida. Perfect fit but snug and awkward to
>>>> install.
>>>> I looked how to do them on Youtube. There are several screws to loosen
>>>> under the
>>>> rim of the old ones. They were mail delivered in less than a week. Much
>>>> cheaper
>>>> than a new headset.
>>>> Mike VE3EQP .....
>>>>
>>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>> On 11/8/2017 2:10 PM, Dick Grolleman wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for replacement earpads for my Yamaha CM500. Yahama does not
>>> sell in EU.  I know some use Koss replacements. I can get Koss over here in
>>> EU. I just need to know which type does fit the Yamaha CM500. Any advise
>>> please.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de Dick PA3FQA
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:19:07 -0800
> From: Walter Underwood <[hidden email]>
> To: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
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> Today on the SOTA mailing list, an activator in England (FT-817) reported trying to work an activator in the Canary Islands (KX2). The KX2 operator could copy, but the FT-817 operator could not. I couldn?t quite figure out from the post whether it was SSB or CW.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Doug Person <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I used the FT-817 for a long time for QRP CW, RTTY and PSK using a NUE-PSK digital modem. It was as great combination and a lot of fun. I now have a KX2 which , obviously, is very superior to the old 817. Yet it was a very revolutionary radio that could do an incredible number of things. I think the KX2/3 are also very revolutionary. An awesome receiver in a hand-holdable, lightweight package. Bicycle mobile with the KX2 is an amazing experience.
>>
>> Doug -- K0DXV
>>
>>> On 11/8/2017 2:45 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>>> Hmm, really doesn't matter (to me) who's first in sales.  10,000 sounds like a success and probably means it was a profitable venture (only Wayne and Eric know what the break even point was).  As a (former) small business  owner, I know that is not trivial to estimate.  Even more important to achieve.
>>>
>>> I think my order for a KX3 kit went in within the first day orders were taken and I received SN 475.
>>>
>>> I know the popularity of the FT-817, having owned one.  Only thing it did better was operate crossband VHF/UHF for satellite operation.  I now have an old surplus FT-736R which was designed for full crossband duplex satellite operating (also my backup VHF/UHF FM/SSB rig).
>>>
>>> But never cared for FT-817 small display or mediocre HF performance.  I have the atu and 2m module and added the KXPA100, which works really nice as mobile rig.  I bought it with 2m promised, thinking of using that as IF for portable mw operating. It will get its first real workout Aug. 18/19 (2018) at the most northern point in Michigan's UP attempting 10-GHz across Lake Superior to MN and ON.  That weekend is the first of two for the ARRL 10-GHz Up Contest.
>>>
>>> I like that I can switch between my K3/10 and KX3 seamlessly to use the KXPA100 (especially on 6m-SSB) at home.
>>>
>>> I operate VHF Contests on multiple bands so having the KX3 allows me to monitor 6m continuously while working 2m and higher with the K3 plus transverters. I also use dedicated FM radios on 222 and 900 MHz where there is no local SSB activity.
>>>
>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>>  http://www.kl7uw.com
>>> Dubus-NA Business mail:
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 00:28:46 +0000
> From: Bill Johnson <[hidden email]>
> To: Doug Person <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]"
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
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> I think the K2 was available pre 2000 and I was a field tester.
>
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:41 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>
> Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available?
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
>
>> On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
>> Collins... 817... 706... K3...
>> You are all wrong. :-)
>>
>> Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still in production and for sale.
>> No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the market (maybe is a record).
>>
>> Down the hat...
>>
>> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY
>>
>>
>>> Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 2.25 Raymond Sills <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>
>>> I say that the Yaesu FT-817 is king of the hill.   Over 250,000 sold, and still selling.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de Ray
>>> K2ULR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Walter Underwood <[hidden email]>
>>> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 7:57 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>>>
>>> We know that the K3 sold nearly 10,000, so add in the K3S sales, and that is more than the KX3.
>>>
>>> ICOM sure sold a lot of the IC-706 series. I would not be surprised to see that at the top of the list.
>>>
>>> If we are talking rigs made specifically for amateurs, the Collins S-line might not qualify. If we are talking all HF, it is probably some marine or aircraft HF box.
>>>
>>> wunder
>>> K6WRU
>>> Walter Underwood
>>> CM87wj
>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 00:57:45 +0000
> From: Doug Hensley <[hidden email]>
> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>,
>    Elecraft List    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 / K3s Filters Available - Update
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> The 1.0 kHz filters have been spoken for.
>
>
> Available still are two (2) each of:
>
>
> KFL3A-1.8K  1.8 kHz
>
>
> KFL3A-2.7K  2.7 kHz
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Doug W5JV
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Hensley <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:02 AM
> To: [hidden email]; Elecraft List
> Subject: Fw: K3 / K3s Filters Available - Adendum
>
>
> I forgot to put the Elecraft model numbers on the filters I have for sale:
>
>
> They are:
>
>
> KFL3A-1.0K     1 kHz
>
> KFL3A-1.8K  1.8 kHz
>
> KFL3A-2.7K  2.7 kHz
>
>
> I will have two (2) of each.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug W5JV
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Hensley <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 9:38 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: K3 / K3s Filters Available
>
>
> In about a week I will be getting my K3S back from Elecraft service where I sent
>
> it in for updating.  While it is there, I am reconfiguring the crystal filters and will
>
> have the following available if anyone needs one or more:
>
>
> Two each 2.7 kHZ OEM SSB filters; list 139.95 sell 100.00 each;
>
> Two each 1.8 kHZ wide data filters; list 149.95 sell 119.95 each;
>
> Two each 1.0 kHZ wide CW filters; list 149.95 sell  119.95 each;
>
>
> The filters are less than 6 months old and hardly used.  You can buy one or more
>
> of these with confidence.  They are guaranteed to be as I describe.
>
>
> No paypal; simple personal check or money order (for faster shipping). Shipping is
>
> a flat $10 for one or more via USPS Priority Mail with tracking & some insurance.
>
>
> To hold one or more: email me direct <<  W5JV @ HOTMAIL.COM >>.  Be patient &
>
> I will respond as soon as I can.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Doug W5JV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:06:47 +0700
> From: Martin Sole <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S/N.7723 Lives :)
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> Just to say, that 7723 is alive and kicking albeit in a bare bones QRP
> CW only format for the time being. I bought this as a way to pass a
> little time stuck out in the desert and it did the job superbly.
>
> Initial testing went well though I am a little concerned that the 20m
> sensitivity is a little down, might just need a more careful alignment
> of the bpf. I also need to do a proper setup of the IF filters with the pc.
>
> Back home now and on some antennas it seems to be playing nicely.
>
> The SSB module, 160m, NB and I/O kits are on hand and will join the
> family soon.
>
> Interesting to note the K2 was, according to Wikipedia, prototyped in
> October 1997, so that radio is 20 years old and still being produced and
> more importantly I think is still relevant. Has that bettered the
> Collins S line?
>
> So one of the very latest K2's joins one of the earliest K3's S/N 298.
> Now I'm starting to think that might need some updating but I'm not sure
> if there have been any major upgrades to the K3, barring the synthesiser
> and the S of course.
>
> Martin, HS0ZED
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:31:30 -0800
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Bill Johnson'" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
> Message-ID: <003001d35913$a0c96440$e25c2cc0$@biz>
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> Yep, 1998 I believe. I built mine in 2000 and it was S/N 1289 after working
> several of them on the air the previous year or so.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 4:29 PM
> To: Doug Person; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>
> I think the K2 was available pre 2000 and I was a field tester.
>
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:41 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>
> Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available?
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
>
>> On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
>> Collins... 817... 706... K3...
>> You are all wrong. :-)
>>
>> Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still
> in production and for sale.
>> No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the
> market (maybe is a record).
>>
>> Down the hat...
>>
>> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY
>>
>>
>>> Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 2.25 Raymond Sills <[hidden email]> ha
> scritto:
>>>
>>>
>>> I say that the Yaesu FT-817 is king of the hill.   Over 250,000 sold, and
> still selling.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de Ray
>>> K2ULR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Walter Underwood <[hidden email]>
>>> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 7:57 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>>>
>>> We know that the K3 sold nearly 10,000, so add in the K3S sales, and that
> is more than the KX3.
>>>
>>> ICOM sure sold a lot of the IC-706 series. I would not be surprised to
> see that at the top of the list.
>>>
>>> If we are talking rigs made specifically for amateurs, the Collins S-line
> might not qualify. If we are talking all HF, it is probably some marine or
> aircraft HF box.
>>>
>>> wunder
>>> K6WRU
>>> Walter Underwood
>>> CM87wj
>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 14:41:24 +0100 (CET)
> From: Graziano Roccon <[hidden email]>
> To: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]>, [hidden email],    Doug
>    Person <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
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>
> You are right, 1998, following the first assumption of Doug.
> Also FT-817 is correct, but i think that numbers of sales are still for the TS-2000.
>
> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY
>
>> Il 8 novembre 2017 alle 18.11 Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>
>>
>> I believe the K2 was sold in 1998. I built mine in 2000 after working a few
>> on the air. My K2 is S/N 1289.
>>
>> 73, Ron AC7AC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:41 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>>
>> Isn't that exactly the same life span of the K2 -- which is still available?
>>
>> Doug -- K0DXV
>>
>>> On 11/8/2017 5:59 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
>>> Collins... 817... 706... K3...
>>> You are all wrong. :-)
>>>
>>> Sorry guys but i think is the Kenwood TS-2000, from 2000 to 2017 and still
>> in production and for sale.
>>> No other radio reach a so long time in production and availability on the
>> market (maybe is a record).
>>>
>>> Down the hat...
>>>
>>> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 09:08:16 -0500
> From: "Charlie T" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
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> The Collins KWM-2 was in production from 1959 to 1982.....23 years.
> Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Graziano Roccon
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:41 AM
> To: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]; Doug Person
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>
> You are right, 1998, following the first assumption of Doug.
> Also FT-817 is correct, but i think that numbers of sales are still for the
> TS-2000.
>
> Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 09:14:41 -0500 (EST)
> From: JEROME SODUS <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have signed up to a course by CWops.
>
> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at 20-wpm.
>
>
> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think that a single paddle might work best for me.
>
> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>
> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a dual-paddle,
>
> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated.
>
>
> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something?
>
>
> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I presume a single-paddle).
>
> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a paddle.
>
>
> TIA for any reply.
>
> 73 Jerry KM3K
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:31:35 -0600
> From: Clay Autery <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> JUST finished Level 1 of the CW Academy here.
>
> I chose the Begali HST Mark II.? They've moved on to the Mark III now.
> They are expensive, but I have absolutely zero regrets.? I love, love,
> love, my key.? Worth every cent I paid for it.
>
> When I pass 25 wpm and hopefully gain entry to CW Ops, I will treat
> myself to a Sculpture Mono... just because.? Frankly, I'll never NEED
> another key.
>
> IF you are serious.... don't muck around.? Get a serious key. "Buy the
> best tools you can afford, and only have to buy them once." -My Dad
>
> I can't help you with the KX3 questions...? My K3s works just fine with
> a single paddle.
>
> 73,
> Clay, KY5G
>
>
>> On 11/09/17 08:14, JEROME SODUS wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have signed up to a course by CWops.
>>
>> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at 20-wpm.
>>
>>
>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think that a single paddle might work best for me.
>>
>> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>>
>> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a dual-paddle,
>>
>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated.
>>
>>
>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed something?
>>
>>
>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I presume a single-paddle).
>>
>> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had a paddle.
>>
>>
>> TIA for any reply.
>>
>> 73 Jerry KM3K
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 16:33:46 +0200
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
> Jerry,
>
> A real single paddle is nice, but you can still send non-iambically with
> a dual paddle. Just don't squeeze it. You make a 'C' with four back and
> forth motions instead of a squeeze.
>
> The connections to the rig for a single or dual paddle are the same. The
> only difference is in the mechanical design of the paddle. A single
> paddle cannot close both dit and dah contacts at the same time. With a
> dual paddle, you can -- but you don't need to.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> CWA Adviser
>
>> On 9 Nov 2017 16:14, JEROME SODUS wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so
>> have signed up to a course by CWops.
>>
>> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done
>> at 20-wpm.
>>
>>
>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I
>> think that a single paddle might work best for me.
>>
>> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>>
>> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence
>> with a dual-paddle,
>>
>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated.
>>
>>
>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that
>> the KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed
>> something?
>>
>>
>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I
>> presume a single-paddle).
>>
>> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with
>> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any
>> had a paddle.
>>
>>
>> TIA for any reply.
>>
>> 73 Jerry KM3K
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:00:12 -0500
> From: rich hurd WC3T <[hidden email]>
> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
> Message-ID:
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>
> Victor brings up an advantage of using a dual paddle; if at some point in
> the future, you want to use an iambic keying method, using a dual paddle
> would afford you that capability with the initial spend.
>
> If you never do iambic, it's only a small incremental cost between a single
> and a dual lever paddle that you'll probably never miss.
>
> He's sort of talking me into reconsidering my single lever paddle
> purchase.   :)
>
> ---
> 72,
> Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
> PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer
> for Scouting
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>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> A real single paddle is nice, but you can still send non-iambically with
>> a dual paddle. Just don't squeeze it. You make a 'C' with four back and
>> forth motions instead of a squeeze.
>>
>> The connections to the rig for a single or dual paddle are the same. The
>> only difference is in the mechanical design of the paddle. A single paddle
>> cannot close both dit and dah contacts at the same time. With a dual
>> paddle, you can -- but you don't need to.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> CWA Adviser
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Nov 2017 16:14, JEROME SODUS wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so
>>> have signed up to a course by CWops.
>>>
>>> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done
>>> at 20-wpm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I
>>> think that a single paddle might work best for me.
>>>
>>> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>>>
>>> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence
>>> with a dual-paddle,
>>>
>>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated.
>>>
>>>
>>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that
>>> the KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed
>>> something?
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I
>>> presume a single-paddle).
>>>
>>> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with
>>> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any
>>> had a paddle.
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA for any reply.
>>>
>>> 73 Jerry KM3K
>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:09:42 -0500
> From: "Charlie T" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
> Message-ID: <004501d3596c$c8b19e60$5a14db20$@erols.com>
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>
> Yes, you are QUITE wrong.....
> AND, you can fix it if it breaks.... for probably less than the cost of  shipping the new stuff one way to any of the big three service centers.
> C
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graziano Roccon [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:18 AM
> To: Charlie T <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just RX'd KX3 Serial No. 10,028!
>
> Dedicated to very rich people only... or i am wrong ?
>
>
>
>> Il 9 novembre 2017 alle 15.08 Charlie T <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>
>>
>> The Collins KWM-2 was in production from 1959 to 1982.....23 years.
>> Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 11:36:31 -0500
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I made the decision to use a single lever paddle and not learn the  
> "squeeze" technique needed to run a dual lever paddle. Several reasons:
>
> The truly high speed guys use single lever paddles--they feel they make  
> fewer mistakes with the single lever.
>
> If you learn the single lever technique you can use a dual lever paddle and
> just not "squeeze"
>
> The dual lever technique doesn't save that much time.
>
> I think that a lot of the impetus to a dual lever is "CQ", both letters are
> "squeeze" letters and if you are sending it a lot it is easier to send
> repeated  CQ's with a dual lever paddle.
>
> I think regular practice is needed with both single an dual lever  paddles.
>
> I am fond of my Begali Sculpture single lever, along with my Tony Baleno  
> single lever.
>
> If you go single lever, if you occasionally use a dual lever paddle you  
> will be happier with minimal space between the paddles; it's closer to the  
> distance your fingers need to move for the single lever.  Begali's Magnum  has
> a very narrow space and I use it as well as my Sculpture single lever.  
> Tony Baleno of N3ZN keys will make a dual lever with what ever spacing between
> the paddles you want.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73
>
> Mike KD8RQE
>
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2017 9:31:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [hidden email] writes:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a  "know-code-ham" and so have
> signed up to a course by CWops.
>
> They  require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at  
> 20-wpm.
>
>
> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that  effort, I think
> that a single paddle might work best for me.
>
> Here are  the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>
> 1. a comment that  regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a
> dual-paddle,
>
> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically  complicated.
>
>
> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it  seems to me that the
> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I  missed something?
>
>
> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an  external key (I presume
> a single-paddle).
>
> In the past, I recall seeing  photos of hams working KX3-portable with a
> straight-key but, at those times, I  did not pay attention if any had a paddle.
>
>
> TIA for any  reply.
>
> 73 Jerry  KM3K
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 12:30:39 -0500
> From: "Gary Smith" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
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>
> Jerry,
>
> I learned on a Navy key and when I got my
> license, Iambic was a new thing but those
> who used it, swore by it. There were a few
> interfaces that used what I think was a
> Curtis 8044 IC and it was a fantastic chip
> to learn Iambic with. I had a "Ham Keyer"
> which used it and later made my own using
> this chip. It had two settings for Iambic
> and one seemed more natural than the other
> so I stuck with it.
>
> I then bought a (at the time) new Corsair
> II from TenTec which had a keyer built in
> for Iambic but I never liked the way it
> felt or operated so I stuck with that
> Curtis chip. When I bought the K3 kit &
> checked out the built-in Iambic option and
> it was exactly what I had come to love all
> along so the Curtis is now on the shelf
> beside the Corsair for when I'll fire that
> up again in the future. FWIW, the K3s has
> that same functionality and I'm guessing
> the other Elecraft rigs have the same as
> well.
>
> Iambic is efficient, it requires I think,
> less motions to accomplish the same
> character and it flows like water with
> such little effort. I also use a Begali
> Sculpture but I started with a Bencher
> Iambic paddle, moved to a Vibroplex Iambic
> and finally to the Begali. The original
> Bencher came apart easily and always when
> I was excited and I had to put it back
> together (easy to do but not an elegant
> thing). Maybe they've attended to this
> flaw by now? The Vibroplex worked very
> well but seemed to require occasional
> attention and could have been heavier to
> stay in place during my moments of
> exuberance. I ordered the Begali maybe 3
> years ago and never have had to touch it.
> I'm sure the other Iambic paddles made by
> hand are just as good. I will likely keep
> this one for what time I have left.
>
> As the Iambic from the rig is spaced
> perfectly as regards timing, it is a
> perfect teacher as to how to send well.
> Set your speed, go into the test mode so
> you don't transmit and practice with
> headphones to your heart's content. You
> will find it intuitive and what you will
> need to focus on is not running your
> characters and words together as it is so
> easy to send, you forget the point of
> error is you and your not sending with the
> proper gaps between characters and words.
>
> The way to best do this on the K3/K3s is
> to go to test mode! Now push the TEXT DEC
> on the front panel for decoding CW, select
> the TX ONLY option and you can read what
> you're sending on the LCD and this will
> help you get your character spacing and
> word spacing down just right.
>
> Lastly, I'm sure that whatever key you
> get, you'll learn how to be comfortable
> with it. For me, & me being a musician,
> the timing is everything and again, for
> me... Iambic was the easiest way to do it
> right with the least effort.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a "know-code-ham" and so have
>> signed up to a course by CWops.
>>
>> They require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done
>> at 20-wpm.
>>
>>
>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think
>> that a single paddle might work best for me.
>>
>> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>>
>> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence
>> with a dual-paddle,
>>
>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated.
>>
>>
>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it seems to me that the
>> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I missed
>> something?
>>
>>
>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an external key (I
>> presume a single-paddle).
>>
>> In the past, I recall seeing photos of hams working KX3-portable with
>> a straight-key but, at those times, I did not pay attention if any had
>> a paddle.
>>
>>
>> TIA for any reply.
>>
>> 73 Jerry KM3K
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:43:03 -0500
> From: Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
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>
> Jerry,
>
> Don?t obsess over which paddle is best for you.  Which ever system you choose, it will take hours and hours of off the air practice before you "should? put it on the air.  Which ever system you start with, you will learn to love and prefer ? if you get that far.
>
> I use iambic B and a dual paddle, but don?t often use the squeeze feature.  If you start with this, as others have pointed out, you don?t have to squeeze.  My opinion is (and it is just an opinion) by starting with the dual paddle, Iambic B, you give yourself the most options to expand or change methods.  
>
> It is mostly timing and getting your internal ?clock? to a place where you make proper, readable communication using Morse.  An automatic keyer doesn?t do this for you.  I hear plenty of people using keys who don?t send code that is comfortable to copy.
>
> Pick something and start practicing.  You will never master it until you start.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mike via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> I made the decision to use a single lever paddle and not learn the  
>> "squeeze" technique needed to run a dual lever paddle. Several reasons:
>>
>> The truly high speed guys use single lever paddles--they feel they make  
>> fewer mistakes with the single lever.
>>
>> If you learn the single lever technique you can use a dual lever paddle and
>> just not "squeeze"
>>
>> The dual lever technique doesn't save that much time.
>>
>> I think that a lot of the impetus to a dual lever is "CQ", both letters are
>> "squeeze" letters and if you are sending it a lot it is easier to send
>> repeated  CQ's with a dual lever paddle.
>>
>> I think regular practice is needed with both single an dual lever  paddles.
>>
>> I am fond of my Begali Sculpture single lever, along with my Tony Baleno  
>> single lever.
>>
>> If you go single lever, if you occasionally use a dual lever paddle you  
>> will be happier with minimal space between the paddles; it's closer to the  
>> distance your fingers need to move for the single lever.  Begali's Magnum  has
>> a very narrow space and I use it as well as my Sculpture single lever.  
>> Tony Baleno of N3ZN keys will make a dual lever with what ever spacing between
>> the paddles you want.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Mike KD8RQE
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/9/2017 9:31:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>> [hidden email] writes:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a  "know-code-ham" and so have
>> signed up to a course by CWops.
>>
>> They  require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done at  
>> 20-wpm.
>>
>>
>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that  effort, I think
>> that a single paddle might work best for me.
>>
>> Here are  the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>>
>> 1. a comment that  regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a
>> dual-paddle,
>>
>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically  complicated.
>>
>>
>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it  seems to me that the
>> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I  missed something?
>>
>>
>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an  external key (I presume
>> a single-paddle).
>>
>> In the past, I recall seeing  photos of hams working KX3-portable with a
>> straight-key but, at those times, I  did not pay attention if any had a paddle.
>>
>>
>> TIA for any  reply.
>>
>> 73 Jerry  KM3K
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> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 18:02:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mark Petiford <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email], JEROME SODUS <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
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> Jerome,
> I'm not sure why anyone would go through the process of learning to send CW and do it "single paddle".? Every radio in production supports one, or both, Iambic modes, and they are actually easier to LEARN than they are to UNDERSTAND!? Here is my 2-cents worth:
>
> 1.? The best method of sending will be the one you learn first.? This is true of MOST things we learn.? That doesn't mean you can't learn a second method later, but USUALLY the first method will come back to you the easiest.
>
> 2.? Reading about the differences in Iambic keying is far more complex than slowing the keyer down and listening to what happens.? Slow down to around 10wpm, hold one paddle down and tap the other to learn how dit or dah insertion works and sounds.? Hold both paddles down and listen to what happens when you release them.? Play with it, but do it at slow speed so you can hear it.? I am NOT talking about learning characters yet.? That should happen at much faster speeds, and after you know what the paddles do to make dots and dashes at the right times.? After playing with this for as long as you need, speed it up a bit and play some more.? Eventually you can work up to the speed CW Ops recommends for learning the characters.
>
> 3.? Stop trying to decide between Iambic A and B based on the analysis of what they do or how many paddle movements are required.? You can listen to the differences as I have outlined in 2 above, but simply PICK ONE.? I happen to like Iambic B because I learned on a homebrew AccuKeyer which died years ago.? I can switch to Iambic A with a few minutes of practice, but I prefer Iambic B simply because it doesn't seem to be as sensitive to paddle release after holding both paddles closed in the letter C.? Oops, there I go with too much analysis!
>
> 4.? Dual paddles can be used as a single paddle.? I suspect most of the single paddle operatiors were extensive bug users first (again, first learned is the easiest), but I couldn't afford a bug, so I learned Iambic B.? I find that transitioning from Iambic B to single paddle is easy.? I do that when necessary at events like Field Day.
>
> 5.? No more maintenance is required for dual paddle modes than for any other mode.? It all depends on what you learned first and what you use the most.? In aviation, a pilot's total flight time is important, but accident reports indicate that recent experience is also important.? Look at the aviation regulations for recent experience and you will see what I mean.? Same for CW.
>
> Well, I went over 2 cents worth!
>
> Mark
> KE6BB
>
>
>    On Thursday, November 9, 2017, 6:32:28 AM PST, JEROME SODUS <[hidden email]> wrote:  
>
>
> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that effort, I think that a single paddle might work best for me.
>
> Here are the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>
> 1. a comment that regular practice is needed to maintain competence with a dual-paddle,
>
> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically complicated.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 10:12:35 -0800
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Dave Sublette'" <[hidden email]>,    <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
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> After more than 50 years "pounding brass", mostly with either a bug (semi-automatic) key or paddles I still make time for practice sessions - especially if I've been off the air for a while. My favorite is to send names, addresses and numbers from a telephone book (they are getting rare, but still around) with the goal of getting through one full page without a flub.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave Sublette
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:43 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxpd3 question
>
> Jerry,
>
> Don?t obsess over which paddle is best for you.  Which ever system you choose, it will take hours and hours of off the air practice before you "should? put it on the air.  Which ever system you start with, you will learn to love and prefer ? if you get that far.
>
> I use iambic B and a dual paddle, but don?t often use the squeeze feature.  If you start with this, as others have pointed out, you don?t have to squeeze.  My opinion is (and it is just an opinion) by starting with the dual paddle, Iambic B, you give yourself the most options to expand or change methods.  
>
> It is mostly timing and getting your internal ?clock? to a place where you make proper, readable communication using Morse.  An automatic keyer doesn?t do this for you.  I hear plenty of people using keys who don?t send code that is comfortable to copy.
>
> Pick something and start practicing.  You will never master it until you start.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
>> On Nov 9, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mike via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> I made the decision to use a single lever paddle and not learn the
>> "squeeze" technique needed to run a dual lever paddle. Several reasons:
>>
>> The truly high speed guys use single lever paddles--they feel they
>> make fewer mistakes with the single lever.
>>
>> If you learn the single lever technique you can use a dual lever
>> paddle and just not "squeeze"
>>
>> The dual lever technique doesn't save that much time.
>>
>> I think that a lot of the impetus to a dual lever is "CQ", both
>> letters are "squeeze" letters and if you are sending it a lot it is
>> easier to send repeated  CQ's with a dual lever paddle.
>>
>> I think regular practice is needed with both single an dual lever  paddles.
>>
>> I am fond of my Begali Sculpture single lever, along with my Tony
>> Baleno single lever.
>>
>> If you go single lever, if you occasionally use a dual lever paddle
>> you will be happier with minimal space between the paddles; it's
>> closer to the distance your fingers need to move for the single lever.  Begali's Magnum  has
>> a very narrow space and I use it as well as my Sculpture single lever.  
>> Tony Baleno of N3ZN keys will make a dual lever with what ever spacing
>> between the paddles you want.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Mike KD8RQE
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/9/2017 9:31:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> [hidden email] writes:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I'm a "no-code-ham" determined to become a  "know-code-ham" and so
>> have signed up to a course by CWops.
>>
>> They  require a paddle for sending practice since lessons will be done
>> at 20-wpm.
>>
>>
>> Having researched the topic of 'paddles' and from that  effort, I
>> think that a single paddle might work best for me.
>>
>> Here are  the negative items which helped form that opinion:
>>
>> 1. a comment that  regular practice is needed to maintain competence
>> with a dual-paddle,
>>
>> 2. iambic-a or iambic-b just seem physically  complicated.
>>
>>
>> In reading my KX3-manual and Fred-KE7X's book, it  seems to me that
>> the
>> KXPD3 is capable of only dual-paddle operating. Or have I  missed something?
>>
>>
>> I understand that my KX3 has a second port for an  external key (I
>> presume a single-paddle).
>>
>> In the past, I recall seeing  photos of hams working KX3-portable with
>> a straight-key but, at those times, I  did not pay attention if any had a paddle.
>>
>>
>> TIA for any  reply.
>>
>> 73 Jerry  KM3K
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