Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 171, Issue 11

[Sid Frissell]

I’ve been licensed since 1951 also and I think you old narrow-minded rag-chewers should stay away from FT8 frequencies. You are obviously too old to learn how FT8 really works!  Meanwhile I’ll keep racking up new dx contacts there.
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>   1. k3 and power sdr software (buddy s)
>   2. Low Voltage Band Data Output (William Liporace)
>   3. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Bill)
>   4. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Dave Sublette)
>   5. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Ken G Kopp)
>   6. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Doug Person)
>   7. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Phil Hystad)
>   8. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Scott Manthe)
>   9. K3S VS: IC-7300 (Doug Person)
>  10. Re: K-Line Climate Control (Lee Ormiston)
>  11. Re: K3S VS: IC-7300 (Doug Turnbull)
>  12. Re: Low Voltage Band Data Output (Jim Miller)
>  13. Re: K-Line Climate Control (K2bew)
>  14. Re: K3S VS: IC-7300 (Tom)
>  15. K3S VS: IC-7300 (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  16. Re: K3S VS: IC-7300 (Clay Autery)
>  17. Re: [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and    Regular    Modes
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>  18. Re: [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and    Regular    Modes
>      (Barry)
>  19. Re: FT8: "Magic radio"? (Wes Stewart)
>  20. Re: [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular    Modes
>      (Ken G Kopp)
>  21. Re: K3S VS: IC-7300 (Bill)
>  22. Re: [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes
>      (Jim Brown)
>  23. Re: Low Voltage Band Data Output (William Liporace)
>  24. Re: K3S VS: IC-7300 (Doug Person)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:55:17 -0500
> From: buddy s <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] k3 and power sdr software
> Message-ID:
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> does anybody want to share their first hand knowledge of using power sdr
> software with their k3 or k3s?
>
> thanks
>
>
> buddy, w3bs
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:55:43 -0400
> From: William Liporace <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Low Voltage Band Data Output
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Hi Folks,
> I thought it was me, but I guess not... When I hook up a cable to the
> ACC plug for band data output, I get about 4.8v (slightly less than 5v).
> When I hook up the radio to any antenna switch that has band data input,
> the voltage goes down to 3v. This is not enough to drive the antenna
> switches.? This is a new KIO3B board, so is it a bad board? Is there
> something else not set right that I am missing?? I didn't anything in
> the manuals..
>
> TNX Will WC2L
>
> --
> William Liporace WC2L
> http://www.wc2l.com or http://dxc.wc2l.com
> AR-Cluster Node  telnet dxc.wc2l.com or 144.93 MHz
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:04:45 -0400
> From: Bill <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Poor little radio - out there all alone, hot in the summer and freezing
> in the winter. Alone and forgotten - waiting in the lonely darkness.
> But, you expect it to do your bidding at the drop of a hat. How would
> you feel if you did all your yard work in the blazing sun - then went
> back to your hot damp shed?
>
> Yeah yeah - the devil made me say it!
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:09:36 -0400
> From: Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
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> Is this some sort of a spoof?  You can't be serious.  Putting beautiful
> equipment like this into the weather(not quite, but almost) is poor
> engineering practice at least and at most, a felony.  If you insist on
> doing this, sell your Elecraft stuff and buy one of the other three
> imported brands, but don't expect to get any repair service when it breaks
> from environmental abuse.
>
> End of soapbox rant, for now.
>
> Dave, K4TO
>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:42 AM [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my
>> K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate it
>> remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been sweltering
>> in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What makes
>> since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and
>> humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and
>> summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew point
>> of 76, for example.
>>
>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?
>> If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that
>> environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does not
>> seem to mention environmental specs.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Gary W2CS
>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:22:15 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
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> A strange ... and "nutty"... concept.  More appropriate for April 1st IMO.
>
> K0PP
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>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 10:10 Dave Sublette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Is this some sort of a spoof?  You can't be serious.  Putting beautiful
>> equipment like this into the weather(not quite, but almost) is poor
>> engineering practice at least and at most, a felony.  If you insist on
>> doing this, sell your Elecraft stuff and buy one of the other three
>> imported brands, but don't expect to get any repair service when it breaks
>> from environmental abuse.
>>
>> End of soapbox rant, for now.
>>
>> Dave, K4TO
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:42 AM [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my
>>> K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate
>> it
>>> remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been
>> sweltering
>>> in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What
>> makes
>>> since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and
>>> humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and
>>> summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew
>> point
>>> of 76, for example.
>>>
>>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?
>>> If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that
>>> environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does
>> not
>>> seem to mention environmental specs.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>
>>> Gary W2CS
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:55:30 -0600
> From: Doug Person <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> Operating a K3 remotely is one thing. Subjecting it to varying
> temperatures and humidity is something else. Obviously, high temps and
> humidity will be a problem for any radio. You need reasonable climate
> control no matter what.
>
> The reason I'm responding to this is because eventually the only way I
> will be able to operate is to place a transceiver in a shed on a
> friend's property and use a multiband antenna -all of which will be
> operated over the internet. The ambient RF noise in my townhome makes
> any HF operating impossible.
>
> A 5000 BTU air conditioner can be obtained from many retailers for very
> little money. This would solve humidity and high temperature issues.
> Unless the low temperatures are extreme, I don't think its much of an issue.
>
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
>
>> On 7/4/2018 10:22 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> A strange ... and "nutty"... concept.  More appropriate for April 1st IMO.
>>
>> K0PP
>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 10:10 Dave Sublette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this some sort of a spoof?  You can't be serious.  Putting beautiful
>>> equipment like this into the weather(not quite, but almost) is poor
>>> engineering practice at least and at most, a felony.  If you insist on
>>> doing this, sell your Elecraft stuff and buy one of the other three
>>> imported brands, but don't expect to get any repair service when it breaks
>>> from environmental abuse.
>>>
>>> End of soapbox rant, for now.
>>>
>>> Dave, K4TO
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:42 AM [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my
>>>> K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate
>>> it
>>>> remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been
>>> sweltering
>>>> in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What
>>> makes
>>>> since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and
>>>> humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and
>>>> summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew
>>> point
>>>> of 76, for example.
>>>>
>>>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?
>>>>  If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that
>>>> environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does
>>> not
>>>> seem to mention environmental specs.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>>
>>>> Gary W2CS
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 10:03:24 -0700
> From: Phil Hystad <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
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> Surprised to see the term "Climate Control".  Sorry to be fussy and pendantic but this is not a climate control question.  Climate is the long term, local & world-wide, changing of weather parameters/variables.  More correctly this would be environmental control of the operation of your rig considering weather changes and even extremes of weather.
>
> 73, pendantic phil, K7PEH
>
>
>> On Jul 4, 2018, at 8:42 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate it remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been sweltering in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What makes since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew point of 76, for example.
>>
>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?   If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does not seem to mention environmental specs.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Gary W2CS
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:06:13 -0400
> From: Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
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> I'd bet that doing this will shorten the lives of both the K3 and the
> KPA1500, maybe significantly.
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>
>> On 7/4/18 11:42 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate it remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been sweltering in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What makes since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew point of 76, for example.
>>
>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?   If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does not seem to mention environmental specs.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Gary W2CS
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:11:11 -0600
> From: Doug Person <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.? I did
> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
> entry level radio.
>
> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
> last much longer.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:25:07 -0600
> From: Lee Ormiston <[hidden email]>
> To: Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
> Message-ID:
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> What about creating a Faraday Cage (as done in some offices) by covering
> walls, ceilings, floors of apartment with electrically bonded, metal (not
> plastic) window screen.  Also, follow bonding/grounding techniques in H.
> Ward Silver's book published by ARRL?
>
> Lee
> N0RRL
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Scott Manthe <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> I'd bet that doing this will shorten the lives of both the K3 and the
>> KPA1500, maybe significantly.
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>>> On 7/4/18 11:42 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my
>>> K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate it
>>> remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been sweltering
>>> in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What makes
>>> since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and
>>> humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and
>>> summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew point
>>> of 76, for example.
>>>
>>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?
>>> If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that
>>> environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does not
>>> seem to mention environmental specs.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>
>>> Gary W2CS
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 17:40:41 -0000
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Doug Person'" <[hidden email]>,    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
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> Friends,
>    There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
> pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
> does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
> time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
> and with high power neighbours.
>
>     Other K3/S advantages:
> 1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
> needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
> facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
> No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
> future try to maintain this modular approach.
>
> 2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
> there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
> factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
>
> 3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.
>
> 4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
> K3/S.
>
> 5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
> all of this is modular.
>
> 6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
> radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
> needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.
>
>      Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
> Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
> Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
> equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.
>
>       I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
> I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
> Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
>
>                   73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>
> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.? I did
> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
> entry level radio.
>
> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
> last much longer.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:45:53 -0400
> From: Jim Miller <[hidden email]>
> To: William Liporace <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low Voltage Band Data Output
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>
> The open collector outputs is
> F the K3 or K3s are lightly pulled up then fed thru a series resistor. Your decode must have adequate buffering in place to avoid drawing excessive current. A cmos buffer chip will do the trick.
>
> 73
>
> Jim ab3cv (got the t shirt)
>
> On Jul 4, 2018, at 11:55 AM, William Liporace <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> I thought it was me, but I guess not... When I hook up a cable to the ACC plug for band data output, I get about 4.8v (slightly less than 5v). When I hook up the radio to any antenna switch that has band data input, the voltage goes down to 3v. This is not enough to drive the antenna switches.  This is a new KIO3B board, so is it a bad board? Is there something else not set right that I am missing?? I didn't anything in the manuals..
>
> TNX Will WC2L
>
> --
> William Liporace WC2L
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:48:43 -0400
> From: K2bew <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Mail List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Line Climate Control
> Message-ID:
>    <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Just buy a few old tube radios off eBay to restore that were stored in
> sheds or garages and look at the all the corrosion from condensation inside
> them and you will have your answer. Not a good idea unless you climate
> control the shed.
> 73, Tom, k2bew
>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 11:43 AM [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I?m at the point now in my household move where I should like to put my
>> K-Line (K3/KPA1500) out in a shed about 200? from the house and operate it
>> remotely via an local ethernet connection.  This week I?ve been sweltering
>> in the humid heat here in the NE and that prompts the question:  What makes
>> since in the way of keep the equipment happy across wide temperature and
>> humidity changes?   Winters possibly down below freezing, but dry, and
>> summers up to 100F and humid.  Today?s temp is clearing 88 with a dew point
>> of 76, for example.
>>
>> What do you all do, short of supplying heaters and/or air conditioners?
>> If I could avoid that, I would like to.  The good news is that
>> environmental changes are gradual.  The spec page for the KPA1500 does not
>> seem to mention environmental specs.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Gary W2CS
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:10:01 -0400
> From: "Tom" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Doug Turnbull" <[hidden email]>, "'Doug Person'"
>    <[hidden email]>,    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
> Message-ID: <FB93182D98314722AD23265A713CCA9C@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
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>
> My experience with technical support from Icom, .. most emails go
> unanswered.  Phone calls get resolved.  Very little feedback for firmware
> updates or issues.
> My experience with Yaesu, some of the most rude and condescending support
> staff anywhere. Horrible to deal with.  Everything is "send in the radio".
> My experience with Elecraft, top notch, always want to help, sometimes slow
> firmware updates, but always proportional to the number of requests.
>
> Ergonomics:  Feel of controls, and quality of controls: Yaeus first,
> followed by Icom, then Elecraft.  Using a FTDX-5000 is just real pleasure.
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Turnbull
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 1:40 PM
> To: 'Doug Person' ; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>
> Friends,
>    There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
> pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
> does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
> time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
> and with high power neighbours.
>
>     Other K3/S advantages:
> 1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
> needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
> facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
> No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
> future try to maintain this modular approach.
>
> 2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
> there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
> factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
>
> 3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.
>
> 4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
> K3/S.
>
> 5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
> all of this is modular.
>
> 6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
> radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
> needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.
>
>      Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
> Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
> Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
> equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.
>
>       I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
> I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
> Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
>
>                   73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>
> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.  I did
> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
> entry level radio.
>
> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
> last much longer.
>
> Doug -- KJ0F
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:15:30 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> From my take and experience comparing the K3S and the IC-7300:
>
> (A)?? Both are ham radios.
>
> (B)
>
> (C)
>
> End of comparison.
>
> 73
> ?Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:23:44 -0500
> From: Clay Autery <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I tried a friend's IC-7300 out....? OK for the money, but I would not
> trade my Elecraft for ALL the money I paid for it PLUS a FREE IC-7300.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> [phone]
>
>> On 04-Jul-18 12:11, Doug Person wrote:
>> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.? I did
>> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
>> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve
>> feature parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This
>> actually makes the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300
>> is, after all, an entry level radio.
>>
>> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
>> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
>> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
>> last much longer.
>>
>> Doug -- KJ0F
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 18:39:09 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> To: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>,    Robert Duncan
>    <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>,
>    "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>,    Doug Millar
>    <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and
>    Regular    Modes
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> A Taylor series is quite appropriate since FT8 was invented by Joe Taylor ;-)
> Russ, N3CO
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>  On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Wayne Burdick<[hidden email]> wrote:   Yeah, sorry. Math joke....
>
> Wayne
>
>
>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Robert Duncan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Just in case there are others like me ....who did not know what a Taylor Series is :
>>
>> In mathematics, a Taylor series is a representation of a function as an infinite sum of terms
>> that are calculated from the values of the function's derivatives at a single point.
>>
>> Source - Wikipedia
>>
>> Cheers
>> Rob
>> VK5ZIK
>>
>> On 4 July 2018 at 11:03, Wayne Burdick [hidden email] [KX3] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Doug,
>>
>> I accept your gauntlet and will submit one final OT post despite my business partner?s attempt to shut it down.
>>
>> To wit:
>>
>> Many of us have vanishingly little ?, and from earlier posts it?s clear that K is irrational, so I propose reordering the terms as a Taylor series.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 6:27 PM, Doug Millar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I was thinking about the differences between using the digital modes on HF and Knob and Dial modes, and I came up with this comparison.
>>>
>>> Basically ft8 and digital modes take more work on the setup end and are easy to operate and "knob and dial" radios have little setup and the most time is spent directing the operation. Both take the same amount of effort but are inverse.
>>> My limited math abilities express then relationship as-
>>>
>>> Dm(S10?+O?)=K
>>>
>>> Kd(S?+O10?)=K
>>>
>>> Where Dm= Digital Mode Kd=Knob and Dial radios S= Setup
>>> O= Operating ?= Time K= Total effort
>>>
>>>
>>> Revisions welcome----- Doug Millar K6JEY
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:59:52 -0700 (MST)
> From: Barry <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and
>    Regular    Modes
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> First, I haven't read through this entire thread.
>
> I've been a RTTY guy for a long time and am in the #1 spot on the RTTY DXCC
> Honor Roll.  That said, I don't get FT8 at all.  Turn on your radio and
> computer, come back an hour later and see what you worked - really?  
>
> I've been in an antenna limited condo for 9 years now.  I'd rather not get
> on the air than make QSOs (if that's still the correct term) with FT8.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:07:51 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8: "Magic radio"?
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I quoted the context.
>
>> On 7/3/2018 6:35 PM, Neil Zampella wrote:
>> Wes,
>>
>> you're taking that out of context.?? The structured messages allow for
>> redundancy if some of the original message is missing. The decoder can take
>> the sync symbols so that the system can understand what type of message it is,
>> it still needs the callsign and signal report.
>>
>> More details can be found here:
>> https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.9.1.html#PROTOCOLS
>> and here https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FrankeTaylor_QEX_2016.pdf 
>> which covers JT65, but which forms some of the basis for the other JT/FT
>> protocols.
>>
>> Neil, KN3ILZ
>>
>>
>>> On 7/3/2018 5:16 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>>> In a message to this group back in February I wrote:
>>>
>>> ?? Quoting G4WJS: "For FT8 the net effect is that
>>> ?? up to about 5 seconds of a message may be missing yet still
>>> ?? be decoded. The amount missing can be either a truncation or
>>> ?? parts of the message below the decoding threshold. The FT8
>>> ?? message is structured with sync symbols at the start, middle
>>> ?? and end so missing the start or end may have less impact
>>> ?? than missing other parts since mostly sync symbols may be
>>> ?? lost and they contain no message information."
>>>
>>> Hence, I dubbed the mode, "Imaginary"? since it hears things that aren't there.
>>>
>>> Wes? N7WS
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:09:40 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
> To: Barry <[hidden email]>, Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and
>    Regular    Modes
> Message-ID:
>    <CAD4CdTOaFS6yohNGG6=CCwzfc97p2=[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Well-said Barry.
>
> IMO, it's a stretch to call FT8 legitimate.
>
> But then I'm an old poop ... licensed since 1951 ... and CW all the time.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>
> 73!
>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 13:00 Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> First, I haven't read through this entire thread.
>>
>> I've been a RTTY guy for a long time and am in the #1 spot on the RTTY DXCC
>> Honor Roll.  That said, I don't get FT8 at all.  Turn on your radio and
>> computer, come back an hour later and see what you worked - really?
>>
>> I've been in an antenna limited condo for 9 years now.  I'd rather not get
>> on the air than make QSOs (if that's still the correct term) with FT8.
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:13:35 -0400
> From: Bill <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I asked a similar question awhile back. The fact that I still do not
> have a 7300 may indicate the results of my fact finding.
>
> My reasoning is simple: The K3 is a great radio, certainly part of the
> equation. The Elecraft product support is the other part of the equation.
>
> I have been there and done that with the other manufacturers and I have
> no desire to attempt to work with them again. Life is too short to have
> to deal with rudeness, shoddy workmanship, outright lies, and total lack
> of customer respect. I have experienced same with the big three and Flex.
>
> Happy 4th of July!
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:36:35 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and
>    Regular Modes
> Message-ID:
>    <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>> First, I haven't read through this entire thread.
>>
>> I've been a RTTY guy for a long time and am in the #1 spot on the RTTY DXCC
>> Honor Roll.  That said, I don't get FT8 at all.  Turn on your radio and
>> computer, come back an hour later and see what you worked - really?
>
> NOT really. An exaggeration by those who don't want to use the mode and
> discredit those who do.
>
> What do I know -- I'm one of the younger guys -- only licensed since
> 1955, Extra only since 1959, primarily worked CW all my life except for
> contributing to our club score for contests. I do a lot of RTTY
> contesting, but I have yet to meet anyone who can copy RTTY with their
> two ears.
>
> And radio is FAR more than pushing buttons, yelling in to a mic, or
> doing CW. It also includes maximizing your station and understanding
> propagation, antennas, transmission lines, noise suppression, and
> operating skill. It is totally false that WSJT modes require no
> operating skills. Knowing where to place your signal in the waterfall,
> what to do when QRM causes problems, understanding that you can call a
> station when he's having difficulty with another QSO (the equivalent of
> "tail-ending" with other modes) and so on, are also a factor.
>
> If you don't like a mode (or don't want to learn it) don't use it, but
> don't disparage it by saying things about it that aren't correct.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:55:29 -0400
> From: William Liporace <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Low Voltage Band Data Output
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I really should have said antenna switch controller. I have two
> controllers.
> A) Is the DX Solutions SAS-6 (Smart Antenna Switch-6)
> B) The KK1L 2x6 Controller.
> Both devices worked flawlessly from the FTdx5000.
>
> Will WC2L
>
>> On 7/4/2018 11:55 AM, William Liporace wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> I thought it was me, but I guess not... When I hook up a cable to the
>> ACC plug for band data output, I get about 4.8v (slightly less than
>> 5v). When I hook up the radio to any antenna switch that has band data
>> input, the voltage goes down to 3v. This is not enough to drive the
>> antenna switches.? This is a new KIO3B board, so is it a bad board? Is
>> there something else not set right that I am missing?? I didn't
>> anything in the manuals..
>>
>> TNX Will WC2L
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>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:05:06 -0700
> From: Doug Person <[hidden email]>
> To: Doug Turnbull <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>
>> On 7/4/2018 10:40 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> Friends,
>>     There are some other points not mentioned.   Yes, I agree the K3 is
>> pricy but the performance is there.   However for most things the IC-7300
>> does a grand job as does the TD590s.    For now and for some considerable
>> time in the past though the K3 has had a superior receiver good in contests
>> and with high power neighbours.
> As I said - I agree that the K3 has a superior receiver. It's noticeable
> but not a dramatic difference however.
>>      Other K3/S advantages:
>> 1)Modular construction allows one to only purchase what is relevant to your
>> needs and to build the radio up over time if desired.   This also
>> facilitates repair as modules can be swapped or sent back to California.
>> No need to send the entire radio.   Elecraft if you make a new radio in the
>> future try to maintain this modular approach.
> Modular has its advantages. However, the IC-7300 comes well featured
> already, e.g., 100 watts, spectrum display, built-in tuner ( mine does
> much better than 3:1), effective digital filters, voice recorder for
> receiving and sending.
>> 2) Just what type of support does one get from Icom?   I very much doubt
>> there is an equal forum with the designers involved.    Support from the
>> factory in getting questions answered is also excellent.
> Perhaps you haven't had an opportunity to need support from Icom - thus
> you are speculating.
>> 3)More attention should be given to the clean output signal of the K3.
>>
>> 4)I wonder if the facilitation of digimodes by the 7610 is the equal of the
>> K3/S.
>>
>> 5) There is a very full line of accessories for the Elecraft line and again
>> all of this is modular.
>>
>> 6) The ability to at least assemble the radio gives the owner of a kit built
>> radio a better understanding as to operation and trouble shooting if ever
>> needed.   It also saves on import duties into the EU.
> One can describe the K3s as a kit if they like. The K2 is a real kit.
>>       Maybe Wayne should toot Elecrafts horn for these advantages as well.
>> Again though you can work DX with an old FTDX 100 or Drake 2B with Johnson
>> Ranger at much lower cost it will not be so well facilitated.   The fully
>> equipped K3 is not an inexpensive radio it is a Porsche of the radio world.
> I have, in fact, done that with those. As well as operated a K3 since it
> was first released. Mine was one of the first 2000 or so. I'm not
> knocking it.
>>        I can not imagine a company better than Elecraft to deal with though
>> I understand that Flex is pretty good and so to has TenTec been in the past.
>> Are they as good - this is hard for me to believe.
> Ten-Tec has been (past tense since they pretty much don't exist at the
> moment) great. No argument regarding the involvement of Wayne and Eric
> in this group. Flex engineers are also pretty active and responsive. But
> they are just following Elecraft's lead.
>>                    73 Doug EI2CN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Doug Person
>> Sent: 04 July 2018 17:11
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: IC-7300
>>
>> I didn't see any comparison chart for the K3S and the IC-7610.? I did
>> see the comparison of the K3S with the IC-7300. This made me laugh. By
>> the time you add up the required options for the K3S to achieve feature
>> parity with the IC-7300 it costs 3 times as much. This actually makes
>> the IC-7300 look like a really good deal. The IC-7300 is, after all, an
>> entry level radio.
>>
>> I'll never stop being impressed by the ability of the K3/K3S. But, to
>> me, it is no longer cost competitive. The only advantage the K3S has
>> today is it has one of the best receivers. I doubt this advantage will
>> last much longer.
>>
>> Doug -- KJ0F
>>
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[Carl Yaffey]

This anti-FT8 stuff reminds me of the old AM vs SSB doings back in the old days. Never stops does it?

> On Jul 4, 2018, at 8:03 PM, Sidney Frissell <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I’ve been licensed since 1951 also and I think you old narrow-minded rag-chewers should stay away from FT8 frequencies. You are obviously too old to learn how FT8 really works!  Meanwhile I’ll keep racking up new dx contacts there.
>

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[Jim Brown-10]

On 7/4/2018 5:40 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> This anti-FT8 stuff reminds me of the old AM vs SSB doings back in the old days. Never stops does it?

Exactly right. In the jazz world, some listeners refused to listen to
Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Thelonious Monk when they first came on
the scene. Now all are considered giants.

There's another similarity -- Diz never drank or did drugs, but a lazy
magazine writer said he did, and the lie got repeated for a decade. An
early example of "fake news."

73, Jim K9YC

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