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Dick-4
Amazing isn't it Hugh? What hypricrits !!!!


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Today's Topics:

   1. KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question (Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen)
   2. Re: KPA1500 Failed (Dave Agsten)
   3. W8ZR Station Pro I for K3/K2 ([hidden email])
   4.  KPA-1500 failed! ([hidden email])
   5. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
   6. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
   7. Re: KPA3A Failure & related (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
   8. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Peter Dougherty)
   9. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Jim Brown)
  10. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (John Stengrevics)
  11. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Wes)
  12. Re: KPA3A Failure & related (Don Wilhelm)
  13. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Peter Dougherty)
  14. Re: KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question (Don Wilhelm)
  15. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
  16. Searching for Noise (i.e., Samples Thereof) (Wayne Burdick)
  17. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Drew AF2Z)
  18. Re: KPA-1500 failed! ([hidden email])
  19. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (hawley, charles j jr)
  20. Re: Removing/connecting PL-259s (Don Wilhelm)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:03:44 +0100
From: Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question
Message-ID:
        <CAF2nHKeo8EC=[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hello Elecrafters.,

Have some of you connected an SDR IQ to the KX3,, ( use as an Panadapter
with Spectravue) ?

Work very well with the K3........

73' Viggo  LA9NEA.,

KX3,K3 and KPA500 owner.


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:03:40 -0500
From: Dave Agsten <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Failed
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:26:33 -0500
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] W8ZR Station Pro I for K3/K2
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Selling master station controller which integrates the switching and
control functions of amateur stations consisting of two transceivers (or
receiver/transmitter pairs)+ two linear amps. See
W8ZR.net/stationpro/index.htm or review in QST August 2010 for complete
description.

Handles legal limit up to 30MHz and 800w @ 54MHz. Works great with
modern and boat anchor rigs. Complete with cables and two breakout pods.
You supply 12v wall wart. Pictures on request. Shipped CONUS $285 from FL.
Tom, K2GO/HP1XT
305-767-1927


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:35:10 -0500
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <004201d4c61d$f7dc53f0$e794fbd0$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Sorry to hear this happen Peter, especially during a contes. LDMOS devices
are suppose to be pretty tough and the KPA1500 is not pushing their limits.
There are videos of a different LDMOS showing it to be indestructible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ziYqjMQGEQ  Is the KPA1500 cooling and heat
sink adequate?  Personally if I owned this amp I would leave the fan on at a
tolerable speed 100% of the time.  Did you use the amp during the RTTY
contest last weekend?

John KK9A


Paul Baldock wrote:

It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out
is usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if
Elecraft are working on a fix.

- Paul

>
>On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, lists at w2irt.net wrote:
> > I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with a
> > 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
> > 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily as
> > when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
> and made a few contacts.
> > Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
> > finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
> > reports that my audio was badly distorted.
> >
> > Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
> > diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
> > thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
> > from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > 73 and Good DX
> > Peter, W2IRT



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:39:13 -0600
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email], wrayplace <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.??? ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock
pliers.?? You'd be amazed how many strange issues will go away.

Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.

Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S.??
Again, another issue of concern resolved.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>
> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>
> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>
> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>
> Dave wo2x
>
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>
>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>
>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>
>> Best of luck,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>
>>>   - pjd
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>
>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>> working on a fix.
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>
>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator is
>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>
>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>> a
>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:13:19 -0800
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi Peter,

I'm sorry to hear about this failure and deeply apologize for the problem.

I'll follow up with another email to you to diagnose what actually happened.


In any case we'll deal with it quickly and get your amp repaired asap.

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:28 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with a
1.2:1
> SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about 450-500W
with
> about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily as when I turned
> everything on this morning. Switched over to phone and made a few
contacts.
> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
finals
> itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got reports that
my
> audio was badly distorted.
>
> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any diagnostics
I
> can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have thought protection
would
> have kicked in to prevent anything untoward from happening. I'm in
complete

> disbelief, to be honest.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:43:47 -0600
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA3A Failure & related
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

This discussion has risen its nasty head earlier.? Wes and I exchanged
several private e-mails on the topic.? Here is what I've learned:

My purchased new from the factory my K3S -100 in August of 2015. With it
I drove my AL-80B with 60 to 80 watts for some two years.?? Absolute no
issues of concern.??? In April of 2018 I purchased a new KPA500 and put
it in place of the AL-80B.?? I drove the KPA500 with my K3S at 15 watts
for some 2 weeks.? Then reports of "fuzzy audio" surfaced.? The 2 tone
test revealed excessive IMD.? I contacted Tech Support and they arranged
to send me a LPA3 and a KPA3A.?? These were installed and all was well
for about one week.? Then again the reports of "fuzzy audio".? I
contacted Tech Support again and they said "send it in".?? The service
report indicated they replaced the KPA3A with a rev E which is reported
to be more stable.? An interesting comment on the Elecraft Service
report; "Due to failure of the stable rev E amp, this indicates
something in the shack.?? Possible kickback from and amplifier.?? It is
likely to happen again if the root cause is not found. ........"???
UGH...folks, the amp is a KPA500!???? >> HOUSTON - DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM?>>

In the discussions via e-mail and here on the reflector which followed,
I learned of others which experienced the same type issues.? I asked
"what's the solution".?? Interestingly the answer came back [I don't
recall from whom}? "stay away from 15 watts". Since then I have driven
my KPA500 with 20 watts .....PLUS? I have connected and engaged the ALC
from the KPA500 to my K3S.? This is a menu item in the K3S.? Now some
may not like the ALC connection and activation.

My thinking is that IF there are any spikes originated with the rise of
the CW signal or voice signal this may overdrive the amp.?? With my P3 I
see this A LOT on SSB signals on the bands which exhibit initial ALC
overshoot.? This is both on CW and SSB. ?? Makes me wonder what does the
input impedance of the KPA500 does when hit with a millisecond or so of
excessive drive? ? Not long enough to activate the attenuator or throw a
fault signal. I do know that tube amps reflect to their input the
effective tuning of the output. ? Could this be an issue with solid
state amps where the input impedance goes to zero thus placing in effect
short on the driving transceiver? ? Mind you not long enough to throw a
fault signal but........what does it do to the driving stage? ? ? I've
not measured it and am not exactly sure how to accomplish this.? It may
not be the issue at all.?? Perhaps some of you more technical gurus can
expound further on the topic.

I do know factually since the change to the KPA3A? rev E, and I
activated the ALC between the KPA500 and my K3S the issue has not reared
its ugly head. ? Lets hope it doesn't.

All in all, I am VERY pleased with Elecraft Tech support and extremely
pleased with my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500.? A winning combination.??
But I'm still walking on eggs? and hoping none break.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 2/16/2019 10:24 AM, Wes wrote:

> Unfortunately, you're wrong.? My K3S has failed multiple times.?
> Fortunately, my KPA500 has not.? I'm not in the market for a KPA1500.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:08:38 -0500
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Bob McGraw K4TAX'" <[hidden email]>,
        <[hidden email]>, "'wrayplace'"
<[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <018001d4c62b$0672d7b0$13588710$@w2irt.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I agree with you re PL-259s. I follow best practices in this regard.
Quarter-turn with channel-locks after finger tight, Amphenol 83-1SP,
assembled correctly, with cables swept by a TDR.
 
 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On
Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:39 PM
To: [hidden email]; wrayplace <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!

Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many of
those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality connectors.
ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock pliers.   You'd be
amazed how many strange issues will go away.

Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.

Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S. Again,
another issue of concern resolved.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>
> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>
> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>
> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>
> Dave wo2x
>
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>
>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>
>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>
>> Best of luck,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>
>>>   - pjd
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>
>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>> working on a fix.
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>
>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator is
>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>
>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>> a
>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:47:39 -0800
From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID:
        <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 2/16/2019 9:39 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today
> many of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor
> quality connectors.

If you live in North America, the ONLY good PL-259 connector is one that
labeled Amphenol 83-1SP.? Most others are JUNK.? I'm told there are some
other decent brands sold in EU.

> ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock pliers.

RIGHT. And always be VERY careful about how you solder them, especially
the shield.

73, Jim K9YC



------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 15:55:32 -0500
From: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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Who uses PL-259s?  They suck.  I ordered my K3S with Ns and really should
have specified DINs.  But, that is a retrofit project for another day.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Feb 16, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 2/16/2019 9:39 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.
>
> If you live in North America, the ONLY good PL-259 connector is one that
labeled Amphenol 83-1SP.  Most others are JUNK.  I'm told there are some
other decent brands sold in EU.
>
>> ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock pliers.
>
> RIGHT. And always be VERY careful about how you solder them, especially
the shield.

>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:19:48 -0700
From: Wes <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Thousands of people; without issue.

Wes? N7WS

On 2/16/2019 1:55 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Who uses PL-259s?



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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:29:22 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA3A Failure & related
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Bob and all,

I think this problem is not so much with the amplifier, but the K3/K3S.
Consider that the switchover from the low power amplifier to the KPA3 is
in the 12 to 15 watt range.  That is where the LPA is generating about
all the power it can produce.  Above that range, the KPA3 kicks in and
everything is "loafing along".

Oh yes, aside from that, some amplifiers do fail for various reasons -
and I think we are mixing failures of the K3/K3S with amplifier failures
in this thread.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2019 1:43 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> This discussion has risen its nasty head earlier.? Wes and I exchanged
> several private e-mails on the topic.? Here is what I've learned:
>
> My purchased new from the factory my K3S -100 in August of 2015. With it
> I drove my AL-80B with 60 to 80 watts for some two years.?? Absolute no
> issues of concern.??? In April of 2018 I purchased a new KPA500 and put
> it in place of the AL-80B.?? I drove the KPA500 with my K3S at 15 watts
> for some 2 weeks.? Then reports of "fuzzy audio" surfaced.? The 2 tone
> test revealed excessive IMD.? I contacted Tech Support and they arranged
> to send me a LPA3 and a KPA3A.?? These were installed and all was well
> for about one week.? Then again the reports of "fuzzy audio".? I
> contacted Tech Support again and they said "send it in".?? The service
> report indicated they replaced the KPA3A with a rev E which is reported
> to be more stable.? An interesting comment on the Elecraft Service
> report; "Due to failure of the stable rev E amp, this indicates
> something in the shack.?? Possible kickback from and amplifier.?? It is
> likely to happen again if the root cause is not found. ........"
> UGH...folks, the amp is a KPA500!???? >> HOUSTON - DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM?>>
>
> In the discussions via e-mail and here on the reflector which followed,
> I learned of others which experienced the same type issues.? I asked
> "what's the solution".?? Interestingly the answer came back [I don't
> recall from whom}? "stay away from 15 watts". Since then I have driven
> my KPA500 with 20 watts .....PLUS? I have connected and engaged the ALC
> from the KPA500 to my K3S.? This is a menu item in the K3S.? Now some
> may not like the ALC connection and activation.
>
> My thinking is that IF there are any spikes originated with the rise of
> the CW signal or voice signal this may overdrive the amp.?? With my P3 I
> see this A LOT on SSB signals on the bands which exhibit initial ALC
> overshoot.? This is both on CW and SSB. ?? Makes me wonder what does the
> input impedance of the KPA500 does when hit with a millisecond or so of
> excessive drive? ? Not long enough to activate the attenuator or throw a
> fault signal. I do know that tube amps reflect to their input the
> effective tuning of the output. ? Could this be an issue with solid
> state amps where the input impedance goes to zero thus placing in effect
> short on the driving transceiver? ? Mind you not long enough to throw a
> fault signal but........what does it do to the driving stage? ? ? I've
> not measured it and am not exactly sure how to accomplish this.? It may
> not be the issue at all.?? Perhaps some of you more technical gurus can
> expound further on the topic.
>
> I do know factually since the change to the KPA3A? rev E, and I
> activated the ALC between the KPA500 and my K3S the issue has not reared
> its ugly head. ? Lets hope it doesn't.
>
> All in all, I am VERY pleased with Elecraft Tech support and extremely
> pleased with my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500.? A winning combination. But
> I'm still walking on eggs? and hoping none break.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:45:20 -0500
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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I don't contest in RTTY (I don't use that mode other than for Dxpeditions)
and rarely even do FT8. I mostly operate CW and a bit of SSB and that's it.

I have no idea why it would fail. I did have some issues in the past with
antennas going stupid on me or the HF-Auto tuner failing to match when it
was supposed to, but those always hard-faulted instantly. I never attempted
to push RF through more than about a 2:1 without a tuner, and for CW, all my
antennas are resonant on the bottom of all the bands. That it happened on 20
where I'm about 1.2:1 is very strange.

 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:35 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!

Sorry to hear this happen Peter, especially during a contes. LDMOS devices
are suppose to be pretty tough and the KPA1500 is not pushing their limits.
There are videos of a different LDMOS showing it to be indestructible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ziYqjMQGEQ  Is the KPA1500 cooling and heat
sink adequate?  Personally if I owned this amp I would leave the fan on at a
tolerable speed 100% of the time.  Did you use the amp during the RTTY
contest last weekend?

John KK9A


Paul Baldock wrote:

It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft are
working on a fix.

- Paul

>
>On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, lists at w2irt.net wrote:
> > I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
> > a
> > 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
> > 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
> > as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
> and made a few contacts.
> > Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
> > finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
> > reports that my audio was badly distorted.
> >
> > Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
> > diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
> > thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
> > from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > 73 and Good DX
> > Peter, W2IRT

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:04:09 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
To: Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen <[hidden email]>,
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question
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Viggo,

How do you propose to connect the SDR IQ to the KX3?
The KX3 does not have an IF output - in fact the KX3 IF is either at
baseband or 8kHz if you turn on the 8kHz shift in the menu.

The KX3 DOES have the RX I/Q output which you can connect to a computer
soundcard or the KX3 for a panadapter display.

Yes, the SDR IQ works fine with the K3 which has an IF output at 8.215MHz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2019 12:03 PM, Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen wrote:

> Hello Elecrafters.,
>
> Have some of you connected an SDR IQ to the KX3,, ( use as an Panadapter
> with Spectravue) ?
>
> Work very well with the K3........
>
> 73' Viggo  LA9NEA.,
>
> KX3,K3 and KPA500 owner.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:20:05 -0300
From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <[hidden email]>
To: Wes <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Guys

the problem here is not who use PL259 or what coaxial is using. I think
Peter and most of us, and mostly if you do contests, is not that, we are
using good coax and connectors over the years and no problem with other
radios or amplifiers, thats what Peter said.

If you are in a contest, you prepear your station to not fail. Robust
radios and amplifiers, not only pretty ones

Hopefully guys in USA will have this problem solved *easily*

But what about if you dont live in USA?  I didnt buy Expert 1.3K amplifier
because many owners told me about it?s fail. Is very expensive and dificult
to deal with customs to take it to USA and back to Uruguay to repair it.

So, KPA1500 is a robust amplifier?  Of course always will be a problem, but
is 1% or 25% of the cases?

And I dont want parts sent by Elecraft to fix it, I want an amp that not
fail

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

El s?b., 16 feb. 2019 a las 18:20, Wes (<[hidden email]>) escribi?:

> Thousands of people; without issue.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 2/16/2019 1:55 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> > Who uses PL-259s?
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:56:15 -0800
From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Searching for Noise (i.e., Samples Thereof)
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As time permits, we're trying to better characterize the RF noise that
plagues stations at various locations.

So far, data collected during this informal survey has taken the form of
verbal descriptions. Scope traces or digitized samples would be much more
helpful, since they'd show the actual waveforms. We could then look at how
to better suppress the noise profiles, pulse widths, and rep rates
encountered by stations surrounded by modern appliances, vehicles,
peripherals, lighting, etc. Many of these didn't exist decades ago when the
first noise blankers were designed.

On a K3 or K3S, the best place to capture noise signals would be at the
output of the first MC1350 in the KNB3's amplifier chain. In the presence of
strong noise, the signal at this point is likely to produce a visible scope
trace, or a good sample using an RF digitizer. The latter would have to do a
good job at the IF, 8.215 MHz.

On a KX3, the RX IQ outputs should work, assuming the noise signal is quite
strong. As the RX IQ signal occurs at base band, a much lower-bandwidth
scope or an audio-class A-to-D converter would suffice.

Spectral data would also be of use in both cases.

I don't have any specific recommendations for equipment or software. But if
you have the means in hand, as well as a noise problem worth capturing, feel
free to contact me directly. Please include photos or screen captures as
well as details on what remediation techniques work -- and don't.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:07:08 -0500
From: Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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FWIW, I use NO-OX-ID contact grease on my PL259 connectors. This allows
very tight snugging by hand, no need of wrenching.

During lightning season I frequently connect/disconnect my rig and tuner
cables. The fine film of lube on the connector threads makes a big
difference. Without it? A real PITA, not to mention wear and tear on the
the SO-239's.

73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 02/16/19 14:08, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I agree with you re PL-259s. I follow best practices in this regard.
Quarter-turn with channel-locks after finger tight, Amphenol 83-1SP,
assembled correctly, with cables swept by a TDR.
>  
>   - pjd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]; wrayplace <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>
> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.    ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock
pliers.   You'd be amazed how many strange issues will go away.
>
> Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.
>
> Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S. Again,
another issue of concern resolved.

>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
>> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>>
>> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>>
>> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>>
>> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>>
>> Dave wo2x
>>
>> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>>
>>>>    - pjd
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>>> working on a fix.
>>>>
>>>> - Paul
>>>>
>>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator
is

>>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:16:32 -0500
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Amphenol 83-1SP connectors are great however I have a number of Andrew
44ASP, L44P and L45P connectors in my system and I also consider to be very
high quality UHF connectors.

John KK9A



Jim Brown jim at audiosystemsgroup.com

If you live in North America, the ONLY good PL-259 connector is one that
labeled Amphenol 83-1SP.  Most others are JUNK.  I'm told there are some
other decent brands sold in EU.

73, Jim K9YC



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:16:26 +0000
From: "hawley, charles j jr" <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>,
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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com>
       
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I never wrench. I just wiggle the connector as I tighten it and it tightens
down into the v grooves tightly. Almost have to use a pliers to unscrew it.

Chuck Hawley
 [hidden email]

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

________________________________
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on
behalf of Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:07 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!

FWIW, I use NO-OX-ID contact grease on my PL259 connectors. This allows
very tight snugging by hand, no need of wrenching.

During lightning season I frequently connect/disconnect my rig and tuner
cables. The fine film of lube on the connector threads makes a big
difference. Without it? A real PITA, not to mention wear and tear on the
the SO-239's.

73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 02/16/19 14:08, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I agree with you re PL-259s. I follow best practices in this regard.
Quarter-turn with channel-locks after finger tight, Amphenol 83-1SP,
assembled correctly, with cables swept by a TDR.
>
>   - pjd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]; wrayplace <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>
> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.    ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock
pliers.   You'd be amazed how many strange issues will go away.
>
> Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.
>
> Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S. Again,
another issue of concern resolved.

>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
>> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>>
>> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>>
>> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>>
>> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>>
>> Dave wo2x
>>
>> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>>
>>>>    - pjd
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>>> working on a fix.
>>>>
>>>> - Paul
>>>>
>>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator
is

>>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>>
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:24:51 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Removing/connecting PL-259s
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Drew and all,

I have changed the subject line to something more akin to the current
discussion.

Have you considered adding a coax switch?  Turning to switch to an open
position (or better yet to a dummy load) when the radio is not in use
will provide protection and is a lot easier than removing the connectors.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2019 6:07 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> FWIW, I use NO-OX-ID contact grease on my PL259 connectors. This allows
> very tight snugging by hand, no need of wrenching.
>
> During lightning season I frequently connect/disconnect my rig and tuner
> cables. The fine film of lube on the connector threads makes a big
> difference. Without it? A real PITA, not to mention wear and tear on the
> the SO-239's.


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Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 178, Issue 14

Charlie T, K3ICH
What the heyull is a " hypricrits "  ???

C


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Amazing isn't it Hugh? What hypricrits !!!!


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Today's Topics:

   1. KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question (Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen)
   2. Re: KPA1500 Failed (Dave Agsten)
   3. W8ZR Station Pro I for K3/K2 ([hidden email])
   4.  KPA-1500 failed! ([hidden email])
   5. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
   6. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
   7. Re: KPA3A Failure & related (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
   8. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Peter Dougherty)
   9. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Jim Brown)
  10. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (John Stengrevics)
  11. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Wes)
  12. Re: KPA3A Failure & related (Don Wilhelm)
  13. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Peter Dougherty)
  14. Re: KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question (Don Wilhelm)
  15. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
  16. Searching for Noise (i.e., Samples Thereof) (Wayne Burdick)
  17. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (Drew AF2Z)
  18. Re: KPA-1500 failed! ([hidden email])
  19. Re: KPA-1500 failed! (hawley, charles j jr)
  20. Re: Removing/connecting PL-259s (Don Wilhelm)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:03:44 +0100
From: Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question
Message-ID:
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Hello Elecrafters.,

Have some of you connected an SDR IQ to the KX3,, ( use as an Panadapter
with Spectravue) ?

Work very well with the K3........

73' Viggo  LA9NEA.,

KX3,K3 and KPA500 owner.


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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:03:40 -0500
From: Dave Agsten <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Failed
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:26:33 -0500
From: [hidden email]
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Subject: [Elecraft] W8ZR Station Pro I for K3/K2
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Selling master station controller which integrates the switching and
control functions of amateur stations consisting of two transceivers (or
receiver/transmitter pairs)+ two linear amps. See
W8ZR.net/stationpro/index.htm or review in QST August 2010 for complete
description.

Handles legal limit up to 30MHz and 800w @ 54MHz. Works great with
modern and boat anchor rigs. Complete with cables and two breakout pods.
You supply 12v wall wart. Pictures on request. Shipped CONUS $285 from FL.
Tom, K2GO/HP1XT
305-767-1927


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:35:10 -0500
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA-1500 failed!
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Sorry to hear this happen Peter, especially during a contes. LDMOS devices
are suppose to be pretty tough and the KPA1500 is not pushing their limits.
There are videos of a different LDMOS showing it to be indestructible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ziYqjMQGEQ  Is the KPA1500 cooling and heat
sink adequate?  Personally if I owned this amp I would leave the fan on at a
tolerable speed 100% of the time.  Did you use the amp during the RTTY
contest last weekend?

John KK9A


Paul Baldock wrote:

It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out
is usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if
Elecraft are working on a fix.

- Paul

>
>On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, lists at w2irt.net wrote:
> > I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with a
> > 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
> > 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily as
> > when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
> and made a few contacts.
> > Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
> > finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
> > reports that my audio was badly distorted.
> >
> > Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
> > diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
> > thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
> > from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > 73 and Good DX
> > Peter, W2IRT



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:39:13 -0600
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email], wrayplace <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.??? ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock
pliers.?? You'd be amazed how many strange issues will go away.

Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.

Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S.??
Again, another issue of concern resolved.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>
> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>
> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>
> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>
> Dave wo2x
>
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>
>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>
>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>
>> Best of luck,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>
>>>   - pjd
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>
>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>> working on a fix.
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>
>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator is
>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>
>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>> a
>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:13:19 -0800
From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Hi Peter,

I'm sorry to hear about this failure and deeply apologize for the problem.

I'll follow up with another email to you to diagnose what actually happened.


In any case we'll deal with it quickly and get your amp repaired asap.

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:28 AM, <[hidden email]> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with a
1.2:1
> SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about 450-500W
with
> about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily as when I turned
> everything on this morning. Switched over to phone and made a few
contacts.
> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
finals
> itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got reports that
my
> audio was badly distorted.
>
> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any diagnostics
I
> can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have thought protection
would
> have kicked in to prevent anything untoward from happening. I'm in
complete

> disbelief, to be honest.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
>
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:43:47 -0600
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>
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This discussion has risen its nasty head earlier.? Wes and I exchanged
several private e-mails on the topic.? Here is what I've learned:

My purchased new from the factory my K3S -100 in August of 2015. With it
I drove my AL-80B with 60 to 80 watts for some two years.?? Absolute no
issues of concern.??? In April of 2018 I purchased a new KPA500 and put
it in place of the AL-80B.?? I drove the KPA500 with my K3S at 15 watts
for some 2 weeks.? Then reports of "fuzzy audio" surfaced.? The 2 tone
test revealed excessive IMD.? I contacted Tech Support and they arranged
to send me a LPA3 and a KPA3A.?? These were installed and all was well
for about one week.? Then again the reports of "fuzzy audio".? I
contacted Tech Support again and they said "send it in".?? The service
report indicated they replaced the KPA3A with a rev E which is reported
to be more stable.? An interesting comment on the Elecraft Service
report; "Due to failure of the stable rev E amp, this indicates
something in the shack.?? Possible kickback from and amplifier.?? It is
likely to happen again if the root cause is not found. ........"???
UGH...folks, the amp is a KPA500!???? >> HOUSTON - DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM?>>

In the discussions via e-mail and here on the reflector which followed,
I learned of others which experienced the same type issues.? I asked
"what's the solution".?? Interestingly the answer came back [I don't
recall from whom}? "stay away from 15 watts". Since then I have driven
my KPA500 with 20 watts .....PLUS? I have connected and engaged the ALC
from the KPA500 to my K3S.? This is a menu item in the K3S.? Now some
may not like the ALC connection and activation.

My thinking is that IF there are any spikes originated with the rise of
the CW signal or voice signal this may overdrive the amp.?? With my P3 I
see this A LOT on SSB signals on the bands which exhibit initial ALC
overshoot.? This is both on CW and SSB. ?? Makes me wonder what does the
input impedance of the KPA500 does when hit with a millisecond or so of
excessive drive? ? Not long enough to activate the attenuator or throw a
fault signal. I do know that tube amps reflect to their input the
effective tuning of the output. ? Could this be an issue with solid
state amps where the input impedance goes to zero thus placing in effect
short on the driving transceiver? ? Mind you not long enough to throw a
fault signal but........what does it do to the driving stage? ? ? I've
not measured it and am not exactly sure how to accomplish this.? It may
not be the issue at all.?? Perhaps some of you more technical gurus can
expound further on the topic.

I do know factually since the change to the KPA3A? rev E, and I
activated the ALC between the KPA500 and my K3S the issue has not reared
its ugly head. ? Lets hope it doesn't.

All in all, I am VERY pleased with Elecraft Tech support and extremely
pleased with my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500.? A winning combination.??
But I'm still walking on eggs? and hoping none break.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 2/16/2019 10:24 AM, Wes wrote:

> Unfortunately, you're wrong.? My K3S has failed multiple times.?
> Fortunately, my KPA500 has not.? I'm not in the market for a KPA1500.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>



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Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:08:38 -0500
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To: "'Bob McGraw K4TAX'" <[hidden email]>,
        <[hidden email]>, "'wrayplace'"
<[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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I agree with you re PL-259s. I follow best practices in this regard.
Quarter-turn with channel-locks after finger tight, Amphenol 83-1SP,
assembled correctly, with cables swept by a TDR.
 
 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On
Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:39 PM
To: [hidden email]; wrayplace <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!

Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many of
those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality connectors.
ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock pliers.   You'd be
amazed how many strange issues will go away.

Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.

Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S. Again,
another issue of concern resolved.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>
> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>
> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>
> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>
> Dave wo2x
>
> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>
>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>
>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>
>> Best of luck,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>
>>>   - pjd
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>
>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>> working on a fix.
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>
>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator is
>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>
>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>> a
>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:47:39 -0800
From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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On 2/16/2019 9:39 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today
> many of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor
> quality connectors.

If you live in North America, the ONLY good PL-259 connector is one that
labeled Amphenol 83-1SP.? Most others are JUNK.? I'm told there are some
other decent brands sold in EU.

> ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock pliers.

RIGHT. And always be VERY careful about how you solder them, especially
the shield.

73, Jim K9YC



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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 15:55:32 -0500
From: John Stengrevics <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Who uses PL-259s?  They suck.  I ordered my K3S with Ns and really should
have specified DINs.  But, that is a retrofit project for another day.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Feb 16, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 2/16/2019 9:39 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.
>
> If you live in North America, the ONLY good PL-259 connector is one that
labeled Amphenol 83-1SP.  Most others are JUNK.  I'm told there are some
other decent brands sold in EU.
>
>> ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock pliers.
>
> RIGHT. And always be VERY careful about how you solder them, especially
the shield.

>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:19:48 -0700
From: Wes <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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Thousands of people; without issue.

Wes? N7WS

On 2/16/2019 1:55 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Who uses PL-259s?



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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:29:22 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA3A Failure & related
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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Bob and all,

I think this problem is not so much with the amplifier, but the K3/K3S.
Consider that the switchover from the low power amplifier to the KPA3 is
in the 12 to 15 watt range.  That is where the LPA is generating about
all the power it can produce.  Above that range, the KPA3 kicks in and
everything is "loafing along".

Oh yes, aside from that, some amplifiers do fail for various reasons -
and I think we are mixing failures of the K3/K3S with amplifier failures
in this thread.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2019 1:43 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> This discussion has risen its nasty head earlier.? Wes and I exchanged
> several private e-mails on the topic.? Here is what I've learned:
>
> My purchased new from the factory my K3S -100 in August of 2015. With it
> I drove my AL-80B with 60 to 80 watts for some two years.?? Absolute no
> issues of concern.??? In April of 2018 I purchased a new KPA500 and put
> it in place of the AL-80B.?? I drove the KPA500 with my K3S at 15 watts
> for some 2 weeks.? Then reports of "fuzzy audio" surfaced.? The 2 tone
> test revealed excessive IMD.? I contacted Tech Support and they arranged
> to send me a LPA3 and a KPA3A.?? These were installed and all was well
> for about one week.? Then again the reports of "fuzzy audio".? I
> contacted Tech Support again and they said "send it in".?? The service
> report indicated they replaced the KPA3A with a rev E which is reported
> to be more stable.? An interesting comment on the Elecraft Service
> report; "Due to failure of the stable rev E amp, this indicates
> something in the shack.?? Possible kickback from and amplifier.?? It is
> likely to happen again if the root cause is not found. ........"
> UGH...folks, the amp is a KPA500!???? >> HOUSTON - DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM?>>
>
> In the discussions via e-mail and here on the reflector which followed,
> I learned of others which experienced the same type issues.? I asked
> "what's the solution".?? Interestingly the answer came back [I don't
> recall from whom}? "stay away from 15 watts". Since then I have driven
> my KPA500 with 20 watts .....PLUS? I have connected and engaged the ALC
> from the KPA500 to my K3S.? This is a menu item in the K3S.? Now some
> may not like the ALC connection and activation.
>
> My thinking is that IF there are any spikes originated with the rise of
> the CW signal or voice signal this may overdrive the amp.?? With my P3 I
> see this A LOT on SSB signals on the bands which exhibit initial ALC
> overshoot.? This is both on CW and SSB. ?? Makes me wonder what does the
> input impedance of the KPA500 does when hit with a millisecond or so of
> excessive drive? ? Not long enough to activate the attenuator or throw a
> fault signal. I do know that tube amps reflect to their input the
> effective tuning of the output. ? Could this be an issue with solid
> state amps where the input impedance goes to zero thus placing in effect
> short on the driving transceiver? ? Mind you not long enough to throw a
> fault signal but........what does it do to the driving stage? ? ? I've
> not measured it and am not exactly sure how to accomplish this.? It may
> not be the issue at all.?? Perhaps some of you more technical gurus can
> expound further on the topic.
>
> I do know factually since the change to the KPA3A? rev E, and I
> activated the ALC between the KPA500 and my K3S the issue has not reared
> its ugly head. ? Lets hope it doesn't.
>
> All in all, I am VERY pleased with Elecraft Tech support and extremely
> pleased with my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500.? A winning combination. But
> I'm still walking on eggs? and hoping none break.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:45:20 -0500
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I don't contest in RTTY (I don't use that mode other than for Dxpeditions)
and rarely even do FT8. I mostly operate CW and a bit of SSB and that's it.

I have no idea why it would fail. I did have some issues in the past with
antennas going stupid on me or the HF-Auto tuner failing to match when it
was supposed to, but those always hard-faulted instantly. I never attempted
to push RF through more than about a 2:1 without a tuner, and for CW, all my
antennas are resonant on the bottom of all the bands. That it happened on 20
where I'm about 1.2:1 is very strange.

 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On
Behalf Of [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:35 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!

Sorry to hear this happen Peter, especially during a contes. LDMOS devices
are suppose to be pretty tough and the KPA1500 is not pushing their limits.
There are videos of a different LDMOS showing it to be indestructible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ziYqjMQGEQ  Is the KPA1500 cooling and heat
sink adequate?  Personally if I owned this amp I would leave the fan on at a
tolerable speed 100% of the time.  Did you use the amp during the RTTY
contest last weekend?

John KK9A


Paul Baldock wrote:

It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft are
working on a fix.

- Paul

>
>On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, lists at w2irt.net wrote:
> > I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
> > a
> > 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
> > 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
> > as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
> and made a few contacts.
> > Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
> > finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
> > reports that my audio was badly distorted.
> >
> > Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
> > diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
> > thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
> > from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > 73 and Good DX
> > Peter, W2IRT

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:04:09 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
To: Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen <[hidden email]>,
        [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and SDR IQ ( Spectravue) question
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Viggo,

How do you propose to connect the SDR IQ to the KX3?
The KX3 does not have an IF output - in fact the KX3 IF is either at
baseband or 8kHz if you turn on the 8kHz shift in the menu.

The KX3 DOES have the RX I/Q output which you can connect to a computer
soundcard or the KX3 for a panadapter display.

Yes, the SDR IQ works fine with the K3 which has an IF output at 8.215MHz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2019 12:03 PM, Viggo Magnus Nilsen Nilsen wrote:

> Hello Elecrafters.,
>
> Have some of you connected an SDR IQ to the KX3,, ( use as an Panadapter
> with Spectravue) ?
>
> Work very well with the K3........
>
> 73' Viggo  LA9NEA.,
>
> KX3,K3 and KPA500 owner.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:20:05 -0300
From: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <[hidden email]>
To: Wes <[hidden email]>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Guys

the problem here is not who use PL259 or what coaxial is using. I think
Peter and most of us, and mostly if you do contests, is not that, we are
using good coax and connectors over the years and no problem with other
radios or amplifiers, thats what Peter said.

If you are in a contest, you prepear your station to not fail. Robust
radios and amplifiers, not only pretty ones

Hopefully guys in USA will have this problem solved *easily*

But what about if you dont live in USA?  I didnt buy Expert 1.3K amplifier
because many owners told me about it?s fail. Is very expensive and dificult
to deal with customs to take it to USA and back to Uruguay to repair it.

So, KPA1500 is a robust amplifier?  Of course always will be a problem, but
is 1% or 25% of the cases?

And I dont want parts sent by Elecraft to fix it, I want an amp that not
fail

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

El s?b., 16 feb. 2019 a las 18:20, Wes (<[hidden email]>) escribi?:

> Thousands of people; without issue.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 2/16/2019 1:55 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> > Who uses PL-259s?
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:56:15 -0800
From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Searching for Noise (i.e., Samples Thereof)
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As time permits, we're trying to better characterize the RF noise that
plagues stations at various locations.

So far, data collected during this informal survey has taken the form of
verbal descriptions. Scope traces or digitized samples would be much more
helpful, since they'd show the actual waveforms. We could then look at how
to better suppress the noise profiles, pulse widths, and rep rates
encountered by stations surrounded by modern appliances, vehicles,
peripherals, lighting, etc. Many of these didn't exist decades ago when the
first noise blankers were designed.

On a K3 or K3S, the best place to capture noise signals would be at the
output of the first MC1350 in the KNB3's amplifier chain. In the presence of
strong noise, the signal at this point is likely to produce a visible scope
trace, or a good sample using an RF digitizer. The latter would have to do a
good job at the IF, 8.215 MHz.

On a KX3, the RX IQ outputs should work, assuming the noise signal is quite
strong. As the RX IQ signal occurs at base band, a much lower-bandwidth
scope or an audio-class A-to-D converter would suffice.

Spectral data would also be of use in both cases.

I don't have any specific recommendations for equipment or software. But if
you have the means in hand, as well as a noise problem worth capturing, feel
free to contact me directly. Please include photos or screen captures as
well as details on what remediation techniques work -- and don't.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:07:08 -0500
From: Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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FWIW, I use NO-OX-ID contact grease on my PL259 connectors. This allows
very tight snugging by hand, no need of wrenching.

During lightning season I frequently connect/disconnect my rig and tuner
cables. The fine film of lube on the connector threads makes a big
difference. Without it? A real PITA, not to mention wear and tear on the
the SO-239's.

73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 02/16/19 14:08, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I agree with you re PL-259s. I follow best practices in this regard.
Quarter-turn with channel-locks after finger tight, Amphenol 83-1SP,
assembled correctly, with cables swept by a TDR.
>  
>   - pjd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]; wrayplace <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>
> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.    ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock
pliers.   You'd be amazed how many strange issues will go away.
>
> Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.
>
> Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S. Again,
another issue of concern resolved.

>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
>> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>>
>> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>>
>> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>>
>> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>>
>> Dave wo2x
>>
>> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>>
>>>>    - pjd
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>>> working on a fix.
>>>>
>>>> - Paul
>>>>
>>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator
is

>>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:16:32 -0500
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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Amphenol 83-1SP connectors are great however I have a number of Andrew
44ASP, L44P and L45P connectors in my system and I also consider to be very
high quality UHF connectors.

John KK9A



Jim Brown jim at audiosystemsgroup.com

If you live in North America, the ONLY good PL-259 connector is one that
labeled Amphenol 83-1SP.  Most others are JUNK.  I'm told there are some
other decent brands sold in EU.

73, Jim K9YC



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 23:16:26 +0000
From: "hawley, charles j jr" <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>,
        "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
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I never wrench. I just wiggle the connector as I tighten it and it tightens
down into the v grooves tightly. Almost have to use a pliers to unscrew it.

Chuck Hawley
 [hidden email]

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

________________________________
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on
behalf of Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:07 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!

FWIW, I use NO-OX-ID contact grease on my PL259 connectors. This allows
very tight snugging by hand, no need of wrenching.

During lightning season I frequently connect/disconnect my rig and tuner
cables. The fine film of lube on the connector threads makes a big
difference. Without it? A real PITA, not to mention wear and tear on the
the SO-239's.

73,
Drew
AF2Z





On 02/16/19 14:08, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I agree with you re PL-259s. I follow best practices in this regard.
Quarter-turn with channel-locks after finger tight, Amphenol 83-1SP,
assembled correctly, with cables swept by a TDR.
>
>   - pjd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 12:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]; wrayplace <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>
> Do not trust PL-259 connectors installed only "finger tight". Today many
of those PL-259 connectors "look good" but are really poor quality
connectors.    ALWAYS snug the PL-259's with a pair of 4" channel lock
pliers.   You'd be amazed how many strange issues will go away.
>
> Not saying this is or was the cause of failure, but I've seen it and
experienced it too many times.
>
> Also, for other reasons, I run the ALC from my KPA500 to my K3S. Again,
another issue of concern resolved.

>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 10:13 AM, Dave wrote:
>> His radio blew one final while driving the KPA1500 in the fall.
>>
>> Now his amp blew one LDMOS.
>>
>> I?ve been to Peter?s house and used a TDR to check all of his antennas,
cabling, and switching. Cable connectors replaced last year.
>>
>> I agree it is good idea to check everything again. Looking at the amp
fault log today did not show signs of anything arcing
>>
>> Dave wo2x
>>
>> Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been said there are no coincidences. Have you checked your coaxes /
connectors? I agree that protection built in should not allow radios to blow
finals, but this sounds like too much of a coincidence with two different
radios blowing to not be an external intermittent connection. Try wiggling
all the cables with low power. Unfortunately, sometimes a problem will only
show up as arcing at high power. Is there another HAM near you with a
powerful amp and antenna close to yours?
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 8:50 AM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Exact same thing happened to my K3s in October, now my KPA-1500. Yeah,
So
>>>> done here. Once repaired and confirmed working it will be up for sale.
Going
>>>> back to a tube amp after this.
>>>>
>>>>    - pjd
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> On
>>>> Behalf Of Paul Baldock
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:28 AM
>>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like one of the output devices have failed. Half power out is
>>>> usually the indicator. A number here have reported this happening.
>>>> It would be nice to know why this problem is occurring and if Elecraft
are

>>>> working on a fix.
>>>>
>>>> - Paul
>>>>
>>>> At 07:10 AM 2/16/2019, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> I talked to Peter on the phone. He has no bias current when amp is
>>>>> transmitting with no power applied (key on SSB without talking. He is
>>>>> reading 54 volts and has tried power cycling amp from power supply
>>>>> switch and reseated all cables. Definitely BAD distortion on SSB (we
>>>>> are close enough to hear each other). Looks like one RF device let
>>>>> loose and it is dragging down the bias voltage. That is my guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wo2x
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: [hidden email]
>>>>> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Wes
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:49 AM
>>>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 failed!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a two-tone test is the best evaluation tool..  The generator
is

>>>>> built into the K3 if you have another receiver that you can use to
>>>>> listen to the amp output.  I use an SDR-IQ which is a very nice tool
>>>>> for this but any other SDR would do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for your pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:28 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>> I was operating in the ARRL-CW contest this morning and on 20m, with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 1.2:1 SWR on the Yagi, all of a sudden I saw my power drop to about
>>>>>> 450-500W with about 40W in. Worked a few stations but not as easily
>>>>>> as when I turned everything on this morning. Switched over to phone
>>>>> and made a few contacts.
>>>>>> Audio is fine barefoot with 100W out of the K3s-which suffered blown
>>>>>> finals itself during CQWW SSB last fall, but with the amp in I got
>>>>>> reports that my audio was badly distorted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I send it in, is there anything I should look at or any
>>>>>> diagnostics I can easily perform? For the cost of this, I'd have
>>>>>> thought protection would have kicked in to prevent anything untoward
>>>>>> from happening. I'm in complete disbelief, to be honest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 73 and Good DX
>>>>>> Peter, W2IRT
>>>>>>
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:24:51 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email], [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Removing/connecting PL-259s
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Drew and all,

I have changed the subject line to something more akin to the current
discussion.

Have you considered adding a coax switch?  Turning to switch to an open
position (or better yet to a dummy load) when the radio is not in use
will provide protection and is a lot easier than removing the connectors.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2019 6:07 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> FWIW, I use NO-OX-ID contact grease on my PL259 connectors. This allows
> very tight snugging by hand, no need of wrenching.
>
> During lightning season I frequently connect/disconnect my rig and tuner
> cables. The fine film of lube on the connector threads makes a big
> difference. Without it? A real PITA, not to mention wear and tear on the
> the SO-239's.


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