Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 199, Issue 22
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 04:12 <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check (Jim Brown) > 13. Re: K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check (Bill Frantz) > 14. Setting up new KPA1500 and find it mutes receive when ATU > active (Fredric Serota) > 15. FS: Elecraft KPA1500 amplifier (Jeff Blaine) > 16. KANT3 Replacement PC board (David Olean) > 17. Re: KANT3 Replacement PC board (Don Wilhelm) > 18. Re: KANT3 Replacement PC board (David Olean) > 19. Re: KANT3 Replacement PC board (Nr4c) > 20. KPA1500 Warrenty Work Turnaround ([hidden email]) > 21. Re: Sunspots!?!? (Robert Cunnings) > 22. Re: Sunspots!?!? (Paul GACEK) > 23. Re: Firmware development (SteveL) > 24. Re: Firmware development (David Gilbert) > 25. Re: Firmware development (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:50:31 -0500 > From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!? > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On 2020-11-25 16:52:-0700, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft wrote: > > >If, by some miracle, the sunspot count were to eventually jump up to a > really high level, as was the case in around 2002, or even better in 1959, > how would the various Elecraft receivers work? I?m specifically interested > in the K1 and K2, but in general, is there a realistic problem with > overloading of the front end? Or, assuming that you can hear signals from > all over, will the selectivity, etc., be sufficient? > > > >Doug, W0UHU. > > I have been studying the records (I have a background in space plasma > physics). Of course, I am not an expert, but I do enjoy analyzing > scientific data. It seems to me that cycle 25 is likely to be a very active > cycle. I see that NASA is anticipating a peak with 115 sunspots in July > 2025, but I suspect that it will be much larger. Oops. Guess we'll see. > > ~R~ > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE > The Dusty Key > On the banks of the Piscataqua > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:19:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: Louandzip <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] Sunspots and the K2, K1 > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I built my K2 and then a K1 during the solar maximum in 2001/2.? One of > the hallmarks of the K2 is it strong signal rejection.? It was one of the > best radios of the time and is still among the better radios today.? The K1 > isn't really in the same league, but it's no slouch either.? The worst test > I put it to was operating in CH on 40m during a contest weekend during a > business trip.? Huge wall to wall signals but I was able to participate > fine. > Somebody mentioned switching in the K1's attenuator.? Originally, doing so > created a loud audio pop.? I came up with a mod to eliminate this, adding a > RFC across the contacts of the relay K1 (coincidentally) which was adopted > as part of the design.? > > I grinned when I saw Wayne N6KR's terse response.? He's still justifiable > proud and protective of his babies. > Lou W7HV > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 14:02:10 +0000 > From: "Jim Sheldon" <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots and the K2, K1 > Message-ID: <emb7a2a6d8-6174-445e-b8f4-9f90f1bb75e2@jimsdesktop-pc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I had just gotten my K2 after having problems with a close neighbor ham > that ALWAYS ran his 2KW amp full bore, even for crosstown QSO's, had an > early Yaesu FT-1000 with super key clicks. He refused to do the key > click mod (so he could grab and hold a frequency in a contest without > people encroaching on it). He overloaded a Yaesu FT-897 which I > replaced with an ICOM 706 MKII and overloaded that too. I ordered & > built a K2 which took care of the overload, if not the key click > problem. I loved that K2 and had a lot of nice successes with it. > > First off, I was working 160 meters one early morning, heard a Caribbean > station (will remain nameless to keep from shaming him) calling CQ (not > CQ JA or CQ DX) so I called him. He acknowledged but refused the > contact because he said he was only working JA stations. I continued to > listen to him call CQ for a while when a JA station answered him. After > he returned the JA's call, the JA station said "Sorry, I'm only working > USA stations this morning and then the JA called me! - Wow. I was only > running the K2 at 5 watts on 160 and that was totally unexpected. Had a > nice chat with the JA station (got the QSL card to prove it about a > month later). > > Later, I inherited a tidy sum of money when my favorite Aunt passed away > and got a full K line. Final to the story, the FCC got on the local ham > with the key clicks so he had to fix them, I now had a KPA500/KAT500 > behind the K3 and in a contest I could operate within a couple KHz of > this guy with the K3's attenuator on and not have a problem > copying/working weak signals. Back when he was overloading the Yaesu & > ICOM rigs I had, I asked him to turn the amp off in local QSO's but his > comment was "Get a real radio!". Well after I got the K line and ran > the amp in contests, he asked ME to turn MY amp off. My response to > that was -- "Like YOU said, get a real radio!". Shortly after that he > moved out to a farm he inherited about 35 miles from me and I haven't > heard him since - LOL. > > Speaks extremely well for the Elecraft line's strong (even extreme) > signal handling capability. It was good, but not perfect with the K2 > but even better with the K3 and now a K3S. At 78, I doubt I'll ever > have a K4, but I fully expect the K3S to just keep on truckin' as it has > for the last few years. > > Thanks Elecraft for some of the best rigs of the age. > > Jim Sheldon, W0EB > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:23:13 -0700 > From: Wes <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 failure > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I've been incorporating a new transceiver into my station and was going > through > setting the per band power limits for driving my KPA500.? When I got to 50 > MHz, > a band I seldom use, I was dismayed to note that there is no > amplification, it > operates as if in Standby.? The RF frequency sensing fails to switch bands > and > even manually switching to 50 MHz makes no difference. > > I have the schematics, but it's unclear to me where to start. Any ideas > welcome. > > Wes? N7WS > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:29:44 -0700 > From: Wes <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 failure > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Never mind, I solved my own cockpit problem.? The transceiver has a > different > setting for 50 MHZ.? All is good. > > On 11/26/2020 7:23 AM, Wes wrote: > > I've been incorporating a new transceiver into my station and was going > > through setting the per band power limits for driving my KPA500. When I > got to > > 50 MHz, a band I seldom use, I was dismayed to note that there is no > > amplification, it operates as if in Standby.? The RF frequency sensing > fails > > to switch bands and even manually switching to 50 MHz makes no > difference. > > > > I have the schematics, but it's unclear to me where to start. Any ideas > welcome. > > > > Wes? N7WS > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 09:33:54 -0500 > From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I ran my own small engineering company for 25 years. Projects ranged from > $1ooK to $10M USD. We had no warranty claims at all. It takes a lot to > produce software and hardware to that level of reliability. > > Recently, someone posted on a different professional forum I am on "As a > programmer I am faced with incompetence at every level. No one wants to put > the time into making things great, just getting something out the door is > the norm." I think that applies to a broad spectrum of products these days, > and has applied for some time. > > A while back, I was participating in a cutting edge open source project. I > commented on a design feature, supplying a schematic, simulation results, > and references to various related technical specs. The reply from one of > the "big" players was that he had not read those thousand pages of tech > specs, but surely I was wrong. He even opined why, saying what he "thought" > the tech specs must say. He got support from some of his pet squirrels. I > dropped out of the project. > > This is not necessarily the norm...I'd like to think that it is a worst > case. I know from personal experience that it takes a lot of time to > understand a specific piece of hardware and its associated software. My > company never went open source. I eventually closed it because I could not > replace retiring professional staff from the current workforce. Not and > keep the same level of quality. > > I don't have the Elecraft experience to speak knowledgeably about all > these discussions, but I certainly understand the level of quality that I > see, and understand the pressures of modern economics. I can't think of one > open source, community-based product that I'd want to hang my hat on, even > if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the professional depth > in the general community. > > I'd actually vote in favor of opening the older Elecraft stuff up to > community support, IF Elecraft went out of business or decided that some > piece of gear is so old that it doesn't matter. (I actually own 2 pieces of > gear that I'd love to see open source, but I don't see that happening.) > Folks have invested a lot of $$ in their gear, and don't want to hear that > 10 years later they need to toss it and buy new gear. > > ~R~ > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE > The Dusty Key > On the banks of the Piscataqua > > > On 2020-11-26 00:08:-0600, Tim Neu wrote: > >The point on Moore's law is taken. > > > >But the options aren't just limited to Elecraft doing more work on older > >radios or no updates at all (or supporting the old radios to the detriment > >of the new) > > > >Many software development projects now are community based and although > >radio firmware may be more time-consuming and more complex than OpenWRT > for > >example, community based development may have more umph than Elecraft > might > >have as far as inclination to tweak old radios. > > > >Just a thought. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 15:32:41 +0000 > From: Darren Long <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 TX/RX antenna changeover relay? > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Hi Ian, > > I bodged together a solution for this, using a modified MFJ-1707. Notes > are here: > http://www.g0hww.net/2015/02/rx-antenna-switching-with-kx3-wellbrook.html > > Cheers, 73 > > Darren, G0HWW > > On 26/11/2020 11:38, Ian Liston-Smith wrote: > > Many of us have separate receive antennas - often active loops etc. - > because out transmit antenna picks up too much noise. Does Elecraft have a > changeover device that switches between the two fast enough not to damage > the rx antenna? Specifically for the KX3? Thanks. > > > > PS: I have this option for the K2 and it's very useful. > > > > 73, > > > > Ian, G4JQT > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 11:05:48 -0500 > From: <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > Message-ID: <000001d6c40e$0171a6a0$0454f3e0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The Kenwood TS-590SG is ~$1300 new and you can get one in a week. Why are > you bashing it on the Elecraft list? > > John KK9A > > > Rick NK7I rick.nk7i at gmail.com > > And yet the TS-590 still has unfixed design flaws (overshoot being one of > the worst) without sending it to an authorized shop, taking weeks. > > It was MONTHS before that firmware was updated (since originally reported). > I find the reaction time for updates with Elecraft to be more responsive. > Plus you can talk to a tech (except for COVID delays > now) the same day you initiate contact. > > 73, > Rick NK7I > > > > Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. > Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 08:07:18 -0800 > From: Ray <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]" > <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Seems like this is now the Kenwood page ? > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 8:06 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > > T > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:09:07 +0000 (UTC) > From: Keith Ennis <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Displays would make a great stocking > stuffer > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's W2 Watt Meter: > ? ? ? > With the digital read out the DDU takes the guess work out of the LED > lights. > ? ? ? > ? ?? > Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KXPA100 amplifier: > ? ? ? > Don't wait for a fault light to come on.? Keep an eye on 5 crucial > readings at all times. > 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature > 2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage > 3. Power amplifier's current > 4. Power amplifier's output power > 5. SWR that the KXPA100 sees at its output > ? ? ? > ? ?? > Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500 amplifier: > ? ? ? > Instead of seeing only 1 crucial reading, monitor 5 at all times. > 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature > 2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage > 3. Power amplifier's current > 4. Power amplifier's output power > 5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output > 6. Operate/Standby mode displayed > 7. Band operation displayed > ? ?? > Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA1500 amplifier: > ? ? ? > Displays the same display that is on the KPA1500 Amplifier? > Change the display on the KPA1500 and the DDU changes > ? ? ? > ? ?? > All of the Digital Display Units: > ? ? ? > Display Unit can be located at a more visible location > Up to the RS232 limit from unit > Easy to read 2 line display > No USB or serial cable to computer > No com port in Windows to manage > No computer needed > Plug and Play > Simply connect the SUPPLIED dc power cable (with inline on/off switch) > from the DDU to power supply and SUPPLIED XCVR SERIAL data jumper cable to > the device > Retains all functions of the front panel > All displayed info obtained directly from the device > ? ? ? > Only 4" x 4" x 2" > > https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14701 > > https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14820 > ? ? ? > For more information and ordering go to:? ?www.kv5j.com > ? ? > Thanks 73, > ? ? > Keith,KV5J > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:10:59 -0600 > From: <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] For sale: KPA100 and KAT100 combined in K2 size > Elecraft Case > Message-ID: <1be301d6c427$e0651d60$a12f5820$@charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Includes manuals and all cables necessary for operating with your K2. Power > out of the amplifier is 100W or more on all bands except 12M where it is > about 75W, when driven by my K2. The RS-232 port works for computer control > and monitoring. Photos available. Price is $600 plus shipping. PayPal OK. > Bill K5EMI > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 11:52:58 -0800 > From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 11/26/2020 1:43 AM, LDE wrote: > > Line In Gain = 40 seems too high to me. > > Numerical values are pretty much meaningless. The values cited simply > indicate that levels coming out of the computer are fairly low, so more > gain is needed in the Elecraft input stage. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 15:19:43 -0500 > From: Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check > Message-ID: > > <[hidden email] > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Remember also, if the output level from the computer is too > high, then it may not be possible to get the 4 bars steady, 5th > flashing by adjusting the radio line in gain. This is because a > change of one in the line in on the radio gives you either 4 > bars steady or 5 bars steady. Cutting down the levels from the > computer will let you use more gain in the radio, getting to a > place where the step size of the digital gain is smaller, giving > finer control. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 11/26/20 at 2:52 PM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote: > > >On 11/26/2020 1:43 AM, LDE wrote: > >>Line In Gain = 40 seems too high to me. > > > >Numerical values are pretty much meaningless. The values cited > >simply indicate that levels coming out of the computer are > >fairly low, so more gain is needed in the Elecraft input stage. > > > >73, Jim K9YC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle > (408)348-7900 | around us, is there any choice | 150 > Rivermead Rd #235 > www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | > Peterborough, NH 03458 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:06:05 +0000 > From: Fredric Serota <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] Setting up new KPA1500 and find it mutes receive > when ATU active > Message-ID: > < > [hidden email] > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I find that when the ATU becomes active, it mutes the received sound a > great deal. It does tune to a fine match, below 1.15:1. But regardless of > band, as soon as it matches the received sound is way down. Don?t > experience same when the ICOM transceiver tunes to the same antenna, all > seems fine. Any help appreciated. This is a brand new unit right out of the > box. I did upgrade to the latest firmware. > > Fred Serota, K3BHX > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 16:27:33 -0600 > From: Jeff Blaine <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email], [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KPA1500 amplifier > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I offer for sale my KPA1500 amplifier in excellent cosmetic and > operational condition. > > Given the amount of nonsense I see on a lot of boards with respect to > high end gear sales, I would welcome the serious buyer come to the shack > for a first hand personal check out of the amp so the new owner can be > 100% satisfied of it's condition. > > For those otherwise trusting buyers who don't associate my callsign with > that of a scoundrel, I would be willing to do some driving for a meet up > & hand off as part of the deal.? QTH here is about 30 minutes south of > Kansas City, KS, in the lovely center of the propagation black hole here > in the great USA. > > $5400 OBO. > > Those interested - kindly contact me off list to ?? jeff at ac0c dot com > > Happy Thanksgiving and this year it looks like we will have some extra > propagation on the CQ WPX CW contest this weekend as well to be thankful > for. > > 73/jeff/ac0c > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie > www.ac0c.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:03:47 -0500 > From: David Olean <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Subject: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling > through my junk and found a new un populated PC board.? I must have > bought it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no memory > of any of it!?? All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet with a > parts list.? By board has "Copyright Arcom 2016? KANT3 REV 1.0" printed > on it. > > The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like it > was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no > information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can > anyone point me towards a description? on this accessory?? I could find > no mention of anything with a google search. > > Dave K1WHS > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:32:40 -0500 > From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> > To: David Olean <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]" > <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Dave, > > If I am not mistaken, that board would be installed in a K3 that did not > have an ATU. > > If you bought the K3 without the tuner and later installed the tuner, > that would be the reason you have it in your 'junk'. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 11/26/2020 6:03 PM, David Olean wrote: > > I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling > > through my junk and found a new un populated PC board.? I must have > > bought it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no memory > > of any of it!?? All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet with a > > parts list.? By board has "Copyright Arcom 2016? KANT3 REV 1.0" printed > > on it. > > > > The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like it > > was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no > > information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can > > anyone point me towards a description? on this accessory?? I could find > > no mention of anything with a google search. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 19:35:28 -0500 > From: David Olean <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email], "[hidden email]" > <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello Don and Carl, > > I guess I was not very clear on this. I have a couple of K3s and all > have a KANT3. I know what that board is. This board is a bare (un > populated) board that was made by someone to be a replacement for the > stock KANT3 but it has some added switching and routing capabilities > apparently.?? It was a non Elecraft mod kit for the K3. I vaguely > remember saying that I was interested in the board after someone > mentioned the design on the Elecraft reflector.? I ended up with a board > and the parts list. I have no idea how to implement same! > > To be clear, this is not a KANT3 from Elecraft. It is a bare board and a > list of parts that includes three ICs (TPIC6C596PW) a 78LO5 5 volt > regulator plus a bunch of capacitors and resistors. There are two > antenna connections that go on the board along with the 20 pin connector > that you remove off the original KANT3 board from your radio. > > I am trying to figure out what this is and if it is usable. > > > Dave K1WHS > > On 11/26/2020 6:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Dave, > > > > If I am not mistaken, that board would be installed in a K3 that did > > not have an ATU. > > > > If you bought the K3 without the tuner and later installed the tuner, > > that would be the reason you have it in your 'junk'. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 11/26/2020 6:03 PM, David Olean wrote: > >> I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling > >> through my junk and found a new un populated PC board.? I must have > >> bought it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no > >> memory of any of it!?? All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet > >> with a parts list.? By board has "Copyright Arcom 2016? KANT3 REV > >> 1.0" printed on it. > >> > >> The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like > >> it was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no > >> information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can > >> anyone point me towards a description? on this accessory?? I could > >> find no mention of anything with a google search. > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 19:56:35 -0500 > From: Nr4c <[hidden email]> > To: David Olean <[hidden email]> > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I suspect it?s a way to have more than 1 antenna connection without the > KAT3. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Nov 26, 2020, at 7:37 PM, David Olean <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > ?Hello Don and Carl, > > > > I guess I was not very clear on this. I have a couple of K3s and all > have a KANT3. I know what that board is. This board is a bare (un > populated) board that was made by someone to be a replacement for the stock > KANT3 but it has some added switching and routing capabilities apparently. > It was a non Elecraft mod kit for the K3. I vaguely remember saying that I > was interested in the board after someone mentioned the design on the > Elecraft reflector. I ended up with a board and the parts list. I have no > idea how to implement same! > > > > To be clear, this is not a KANT3 from Elecraft. It is a bare board and a > list of parts that includes three ICs (TPIC6C596PW) a 78LO5 5 volt > regulator plus a bunch of capacitors and resistors. There are two antenna > connections that go on the board along with the 20 pin connector that you > remove off the original KANT3 board from your radio. > > > > I am trying to figure out what this is and if it is usable. > > > > > > Dave K1WHS > > > >> On 11/26/2020 6:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Dave, > >> > >> If I am not mistaken, that board would be installed in a K3 that did > not have an ATU. > >> > >> If you bought the K3 without the tuner and later installed the tuner, > that would be the reason you have it in your 'junk'. > >> > >> 73, > >> Don W3FPR > >> > >>> On 11/26/2020 6:03 PM, David Olean wrote: > >>> I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling > through my junk and found a new un populated PC board. I must have bought > it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no memory of any of > it! All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet with a parts list. By > board has "Copyright Arcom 2016 KANT3 REV 1.0" printed on it. > >>> > >>> The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like > it was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no > information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can > anyone point me towards a description on this accessory? I could find no > mention of anything with a google search. > >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > Th > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:06:46 -0500 > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Warrenty Work Turnaround > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > My KPA1500 was received on Monday Nov 23rd and I had an acknowledgment on > Tuesday > saying 10-15 business days. (Fault: Low Gain Ratio 0) > > 73 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:30:33 -0700 (MST) > From: Robert Cunnings <[hidden email]> > To: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> > Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!? > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > A contrarian view of cycle 25 was recently published which predicts a peak > SSN twice that of cycle 24: > > < > https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/community/topic/1775-new-research-suggests-solar-cycle-25-could-be-strongest-in-50-years/ > > > > The article has a link to the paper, it's worth reading. They propose a > new criterion for predicting the strength of a cycle which in their > interpretation predicts a very strong cycle 25. Maybe they are on to > something, maybe not, but we'll have to wait until 2025 to find out. My K3 > is standing ready! > > Bob NW8L > > On Thu, 26 Nov 2020, Rich NE1EE wrote: > > > On 2020-11-25 16:52:-0700, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft wrote: > > > >> If, by some miracle, the sunspot count were to eventually jump up to a > really high level, as was the case in around 2002, or even better in 1959, > how would the various Elecraft receivers work? I?m specifically interested > in the K1 and K2, but in general, is there a realistic problem with > overloading of the front end? Or, assuming that you can hear signals from > all over, will the selectivity, etc., be sufficient? > >> > >> Doug, W0UHU. > > > > I have been studying the records (I have a background in space plasma > physics). Of course, I am not an expert, but I do enjoy analyzing > scientific data. It seems to me that cycle 25 is likely to be a very active > cycle. I see that NASA is anticipating a peak with 115 sunspots in July > 2025, but I suspect that it will be much larger. Oops. Guess we'll see. > > > > ~R~ > > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE > > The Dusty Key > > On the banks of the Piscataqua > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:13:14 -0800 > From: Paul GACEK <[hidden email]> > To: Robert Cunnings <[hidden email]> > Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>, Rich NE1EE > <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!? > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Happy thanksgiving to all you care! > > ....and thinking positively , I?m all for cycle 25 being a whopper and > incredible! > > Paul > W6PNG/M0SNA > www.nomadic.blog > > > > On Nov 26, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Robert Cunnings <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > ?A contrarian view of cycle 25 was recently published which predicts a > peak SSN twice that of cycle 24: > > > > < > https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/community/topic/1775-new-research-suggests-solar-cycle-25-could-be-strongest-in-50-years/ > > > > > > The article has a link to the paper, it's worth reading. They propose a > new criterion for predicting the strength of a cycle which in their > interpretation predicts a very strong cycle 25. Maybe they are on to > something, maybe not, but we'll have to wait until 2025 to find out. My K3 > is standing ready! > > > > Bob NW8L > > > >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020, Rich NE1EE wrote: > >> > >>> On 2020-11-25 16:52:-0700, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft wrote: > >>> > >>> If, by some miracle, the sunspot count were to eventually jump up to a > really high level, as was the case in around 2002, or even better in 1959, > how would the various Elecraft receivers work? I?m specifically interested > in the K1 and K2, but in general, is there a realistic problem with > overloading of the front end? Or, assuming that you can hear signals from > all over, will the selectivity, etc., be sufficient? > >>> > >>> Doug, W0UHU. > >> > >> I have been studying the records (I have a background in space plasma > physics). Of course, I am not an expert, but I do enjoy analyzing > scientific data. It seems to me that cycle 25 is likely to be a very active > cycle. I see that NASA is anticipating a peak with 115 sunspots in July > 2025, but I suspect that it will be much larger. Oops. Guess we'll see. > >> > >> ~R~ > >> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE > >> The Dusty Key > >> On the banks of the Piscataqua > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 23:26:37 -0500 > From: SteveL <[hidden email]> > To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > . I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd > want to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just > don't see the professional depth in the general community. > > > > > I own a popular open-source based 3D printer. Finding the firmware to run > the printer reliably is a challenge. Once found (or so I thought) then > there?s the task of compiling and loading the firmware after customizing > specifically for one of 4 different mother boards the vendor shipped with > the same printer model, using vague and incomplete recommendations from the > ?community". Then there?s the matter of rounding up all the right > libraries and versions used during the code ?make? when it fails. Oh and > it may require re-flashing a boot loader as it is susceptible to corruption > for reasons I cannot get a clear answer on. Once loaded to the printer, > only then to discover it?s really worse than the version you hoped to > repair, or dramatically changed in ways that demand relearning from the > beginning. > > I would have gladly paid $$ extra for non-open firmware that was supported > by the vendor and just worked!! I wanted to print - not test and debug > code! > > There is real value in proprietary, closed source?. particularly if it > reliably brings the features and functions I purchased and is well > supported by a responsive vendor such as Elecraft. > > Kudos to the Elecraft Team! > Steve > aa8af > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:47:14 -0700 > From: David Gilbert <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > "I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want > to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support.?? I just > don't see the professional depth in the general community." > > Presumably you're talking about the amature radio community because > nonprofessional collaborative open source software development in > general is alive and very well, but even so how about N1MM+, or even > WSJT-X and derivatives?? I could probably come up with other examples if > I was willing to waste more time on it. > > I think it would be insane of Elecraft to open up any of their products > to open source development simply because of the chaos it would create > for them trying to deal with users who busted their radios with buggy > software that they probably wouldn't even admit to, but I also think > your basic premise is flawed. > > Dave?? AB7E > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 11:09:07 +0200 > From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development > Message-ID: <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On the other hand, Elecraft can't afford to expend resources on new > features for products no longer in production. Professional development > costs money, and there's no revenue stream from free firmware for > products that are not for sale. It might even have a negative effect by > influencing users of older gear to keep it instead of upgrading. > > We are lucky that Elecraft fixes bugs in firmware for older products, > and provides support for module upgrades. Some companies don't. > > There really isn't a simple solution, except to buy a K4 and make > suggestions for new features while it is still the top of the line! > > Or, as I seem to be doing, follow Shimon Ben Zoma, who said, "Who is > rich? He who appreciates what he has," in my case an upgraded K3. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > CWops no. 5 > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > . > On 27/11/2020 6:47, David Gilbert wrote: > > > > "I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want > > to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support.?? I just > > don't see the professional depth in the general community." > > > > Presumably you're talking about the amature radio community because > > nonprofessional collaborative open source software development in > > general is alive and very well, but even so how about N1MM+, or even > > WSJT-X and derivatives?? I could probably come up with other examples if > > I was willing to waste more time on it. > > > > I think it would be insane of Elecraft to open up any of their products > > to open source development simply because of the chaos it would create > > for them trying to deal with users who busted their radios with buggy > > software that they probably wouldn't even admit to, but I also think > > your basic premise is flawed. > > > > Dave?? 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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:02 Jonathan Archer <[hidden email]> wrote: > I’m interested in your sale please contact > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 04:12 <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >> [hidden email] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [hidden email] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [hidden email] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Sunspots!?!? (Rich NE1EE) >> 2. Sunspots and the K2, K1 (Louandzip) >> 3. Re: Sunspots and the K2, K1 (Jim Sheldon) >> 4. KPA500 failure (Wes) >> 5. Re: KPA500 failure (Wes) >> 6. Re: Firmware development (Rich NE1EE) >> 7. Re: KX3 TX/RX antenna changeover relay? (Darren Long) >> 8. Re: Firmware development ([hidden email]) >> 9. Re: Firmware development (Ray) >> 10. Digital Displays would make a great stocking stuffer (Keith Ennis) >> 11. For sale: KPA100 and KAT100 combined in K2 size Elecraft Case >> ([hidden email]) >> 12. Re: K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check (Jim Brown) >> 13. Re: K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check (Bill Frantz) >> 14. Setting up new KPA1500 and find it mutes receive when ATU >> active (Fredric Serota) >> 15. FS: Elecraft KPA1500 amplifier (Jeff Blaine) >> 16. KANT3 Replacement PC board (David Olean) >> 17. Re: KANT3 Replacement PC board (Don Wilhelm) >> 18. Re: KANT3 Replacement PC board (David Olean) >> 19. Re: KANT3 Replacement PC board (Nr4c) >> 20. KPA1500 Warrenty Work Turnaround ([hidden email]) >> 21. Re: Sunspots!?!? (Robert Cunnings) >> 22. Re: Sunspots!?!? (Paul GACEK) >> 23. Re: Firmware development (SteveL) >> 24. Re: Firmware development (David Gilbert) >> 25. Re: Firmware development (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:50:31 -0500 >> From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!? >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> On 2020-11-25 16:52:-0700, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft wrote: >> >> >If, by some miracle, the sunspot count were to eventually jump up to a >> really high level, as was the case in around 2002, or even better in 1959, >> how would the various Elecraft receivers work? I?m specifically interested >> in the K1 and K2, but in general, is there a realistic problem with >> overloading of the front end? Or, assuming that you can hear signals from >> all over, will the selectivity, etc., be sufficient? >> > >> >Doug, W0UHU. >> >> I have been studying the records (I have a background in space plasma >> physics). Of course, I am not an expert, but I do enjoy analyzing >> scientific data. It seems to me that cycle 25 is likely to be a very active >> cycle. I see that NASA is anticipating a peak with 115 sunspots in July >> 2025, but I suspect that it will be much larger. Oops. Guess we'll see. >> >> ~R~ >> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE >> The Dusty Key >> On the banks of the Piscataqua >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:19:15 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Louandzip <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Sunspots and the K2, K1 >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> I built my K2 and then a K1 during the solar maximum in 2001/2.? One of >> the hallmarks of the K2 is it strong signal rejection.? It was one of the >> best radios of the time and is still among the better radios today.? The K1 >> isn't really in the same league, but it's no slouch either.? The worst test >> I put it to was operating in CH on 40m during a contest weekend during a >> business trip.? Huge wall to wall signals but I was able to participate >> fine. >> Somebody mentioned switching in the K1's attenuator.? Originally, doing >> so created a loud audio pop.? I came up with a mod to eliminate this, >> adding a RFC across the contacts of the relay K1 (coincidentally) which was >> adopted as part of the design.? >> >> I grinned when I saw Wayne N6KR's terse response.? He's still justifiable >> proud and protective of his babies. >> Lou W7HV >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 14:02:10 +0000 >> From: "Jim Sheldon" <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots and the K2, K1 >> Message-ID: <emb7a2a6d8-6174-445e-b8f4-9f90f1bb75e2@jimsdesktop-pc> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I had just gotten my K2 after having problems with a close neighbor ham >> that ALWAYS ran his 2KW amp full bore, even for crosstown QSO's, had an >> early Yaesu FT-1000 with super key clicks. He refused to do the key >> click mod (so he could grab and hold a frequency in a contest without >> people encroaching on it). He overloaded a Yaesu FT-897 which I >> replaced with an ICOM 706 MKII and overloaded that too. I ordered & >> built a K2 which took care of the overload, if not the key click >> problem. I loved that K2 and had a lot of nice successes with it. >> >> First off, I was working 160 meters one early morning, heard a Caribbean >> station (will remain nameless to keep from shaming him) calling CQ (not >> CQ JA or CQ DX) so I called him. He acknowledged but refused the >> contact because he said he was only working JA stations. I continued to >> listen to him call CQ for a while when a JA station answered him. After >> he returned the JA's call, the JA station said "Sorry, I'm only working >> USA stations this morning and then the JA called me! - Wow. I was only >> running the K2 at 5 watts on 160 and that was totally unexpected. Had a >> nice chat with the JA station (got the QSL card to prove it about a >> month later). >> >> Later, I inherited a tidy sum of money when my favorite Aunt passed away >> and got a full K line. Final to the story, the FCC got on the local ham >> with the key clicks so he had to fix them, I now had a KPA500/KAT500 >> behind the K3 and in a contest I could operate within a couple KHz of >> this guy with the K3's attenuator on and not have a problem >> copying/working weak signals. Back when he was overloading the Yaesu & >> ICOM rigs I had, I asked him to turn the amp off in local QSO's but his >> comment was "Get a real radio!". Well after I got the K line and ran >> the amp in contests, he asked ME to turn MY amp off. My response to >> that was -- "Like YOU said, get a real radio!". Shortly after that he >> moved out to a farm he inherited about 35 miles from me and I haven't >> heard him since - LOL. >> >> Speaks extremely well for the Elecraft line's strong (even extreme) >> signal handling capability. It was good, but not perfect with the K2 >> but even better with the K3 and now a K3S. At 78, I doubt I'll ever >> have a K4, but I fully expect the K3S to just keep on truckin' as it has >> for the last few years. >> >> Thanks Elecraft for some of the best rigs of the age. >> >> Jim Sheldon, W0EB >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:23:13 -0700 >> From: Wes <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 failure >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I've been incorporating a new transceiver into my station and was going >> through >> setting the per band power limits for driving my KPA500.? When I got to >> 50 MHz, >> a band I seldom use, I was dismayed to note that there is no >> amplification, it >> operates as if in Standby.? The RF frequency sensing fails to switch >> bands and >> even manually switching to 50 MHz makes no difference. >> >> I have the schematics, but it's unclear to me where to start. Any ideas >> welcome. >> >> Wes? N7WS >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:29:44 -0700 >> From: Wes <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 failure >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Never mind, I solved my own cockpit problem.? The transceiver has a >> different >> setting for 50 MHZ.? All is good. >> >> On 11/26/2020 7:23 AM, Wes wrote: >> > I've been incorporating a new transceiver into my station and was going >> > through setting the per band power limits for driving my KPA500. When I >> got to >> > 50 MHz, a band I seldom use, I was dismayed to note that there is no >> > amplification, it operates as if in Standby.? The RF frequency sensing >> fails >> > to switch bands and even manually switching to 50 MHz makes no >> difference. >> > >> > I have the schematics, but it's unclear to me where to start. Any ideas >> welcome. >> > >> > Wes? N7WS >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 09:33:54 -0500 >> From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I ran my own small engineering company for 25 years. Projects ranged from >> $1ooK to $10M USD. We had no warranty claims at all. It takes a lot to >> produce software and hardware to that level of reliability. >> >> Recently, someone posted on a different professional forum I am on "As a >> programmer I am faced with incompetence at every level. No one wants to put >> the time into making things great, just getting something out the door is >> the norm." I think that applies to a broad spectrum of products these days, >> and has applied for some time. >> >> A while back, I was participating in a cutting edge open source project. >> I commented on a design feature, supplying a schematic, simulation results, >> and references to various related technical specs. The reply from one of >> the "big" players was that he had not read those thousand pages of tech >> specs, but surely I was wrong. He even opined why, saying what he "thought" >> the tech specs must say. He got support from some of his pet squirrels. I >> dropped out of the project. >> >> This is not necessarily the norm...I'd like to think that it is a worst >> case. I know from personal experience that it takes a lot of time to >> understand a specific piece of hardware and its associated software. My >> company never went open source. I eventually closed it because I could not >> replace retiring professional staff from the current workforce. Not and >> keep the same level of quality. >> >> I don't have the Elecraft experience to speak knowledgeably about all >> these discussions, but I certainly understand the level of quality that I >> see, and understand the pressures of modern economics. I can't think of one >> open source, community-based product that I'd want to hang my hat on, even >> if I do see some that I'd support. I just don't see the professional depth >> in the general community. >> >> I'd actually vote in favor of opening the older Elecraft stuff up to >> community support, IF Elecraft went out of business or decided that some >> piece of gear is so old that it doesn't matter. (I actually own 2 pieces of >> gear that I'd love to see open source, but I don't see that happening.) >> Folks have invested a lot of $$ in their gear, and don't want to hear that >> 10 years later they need to toss it and buy new gear. >> >> ~R~ >> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE >> The Dusty Key >> On the banks of the Piscataqua >> >> >> On 2020-11-26 00:08:-0600, Tim Neu wrote: >> >The point on Moore's law is taken. >> > >> >But the options aren't just limited to Elecraft doing more work on older >> >radios or no updates at all (or supporting the old radios to the >> detriment >> >of the new) >> > >> >Many software development projects now are community based and although >> >radio firmware may be more time-consuming and more complex than OpenWRT >> for >> >example, community based development may have more umph than Elecraft >> might >> >have as far as inclination to tweak old radios. >> > >> >Just a thought. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 15:32:41 +0000 >> From: Darren Long <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 TX/RX antenna changeover relay? >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> >> Hi Ian, >> >> I bodged together a solution for this, using a modified MFJ-1707. Notes >> are here: >> http://www.g0hww.net/2015/02/rx-antenna-switching-with-kx3-wellbrook.html >> >> Cheers, 73 >> >> Darren, G0HWW >> >> On 26/11/2020 11:38, Ian Liston-Smith wrote: >> > Many of us have separate receive antennas - often active loops etc. - >> because out transmit antenna picks up too much noise. Does Elecraft have a >> changeover device that switches between the two fast enough not to damage >> the rx antenna? Specifically for the KX3? Thanks. >> > >> > PS: I have this option for the K2 and it's very useful. >> > >> > 73, >> > >> > Ian, G4JQT >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 11:05:48 -0500 >> From: <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> Message-ID: <000001d6c40e$0171a6a0$0454f3e0$@com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> The Kenwood TS-590SG is ~$1300 new and you can get one in a week. Why are >> you bashing it on the Elecraft list? >> >> John KK9A >> >> >> Rick NK7I rick.nk7i at gmail.com >> >> And yet the TS-590 still has unfixed design flaws (overshoot being one of >> the worst) without sending it to an authorized shop, taking weeks. >> >> It was MONTHS before that firmware was updated (since originally >> reported). >> I find the reaction time for updates with Elecraft to be more responsive. >> Plus you can talk to a tech (except for COVID delays >> now) the same day you initiate contact. >> >> 73, >> Rick NK7I >> >> >> >> Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. >> Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 08:07:18 -0800 >> From: Ray <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]" >> <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Seems like this is now the Kenwood page ? >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: [hidden email] >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 8:06 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> >> T >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:09:07 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Keith Ennis <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Displays would make a great stocking >> stuffer >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's W2 Watt Meter: >> ? ? ? >> With the digital read out the DDU takes the guess work out of the LED >> lights. >> ? ? ? >> ? ?? >> Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KXPA100 amplifier: >> ? ? ? >> Don't wait for a fault light to come on.? Keep an eye on 5 crucial >> readings at all times. >> 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature >> 2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage >> 3. Power amplifier's current >> 4. Power amplifier's output power >> 5. SWR that the KXPA100 sees at its output >> ? ? ? >> ? ?? >> Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500 amplifier: >> ? ? ? >> Instead of seeing only 1 crucial reading, monitor 5 at all times. >> 1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature >> 2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage >> 3. Power amplifier's current >> 4. Power amplifier's output power >> 5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output >> 6. Operate/Standby mode displayed >> 7. Band operation displayed >> ? ?? >> Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA1500 amplifier: >> ? ? ? >> Displays the same display that is on the KPA1500 Amplifier? >> Change the display on the KPA1500 and the DDU changes >> ? ? ? >> ? ?? >> All of the Digital Display Units: >> ? ? ? >> Display Unit can be located at a more visible location >> Up to the RS232 limit from unit >> Easy to read 2 line display >> No USB or serial cable to computer >> No com port in Windows to manage >> No computer needed >> Plug and Play >> Simply connect the SUPPLIED dc power cable (with inline on/off switch) >> from the DDU to power supply and SUPPLIED XCVR SERIAL data jumper cable to >> the device >> Retains all functions of the front panel >> All displayed info obtained directly from the device >> ? ? ? >> Only 4" x 4" x 2" >> >> https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14701 >> >> https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=14820 >> ? ? ? >> For more information and ordering go to:? ?www.kv5j.com >> ? ? >> Thanks 73, >> ? ? >> Keith,KV5J >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:10:59 -0600 >> From: <[hidden email]> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] For sale: KPA100 and KAT100 combined in K2 size >> Elecraft Case >> Message-ID: <1be301d6c427$e0651d60$a12f5820$@charter.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Includes manuals and all cables necessary for operating with your K2. >> Power >> out of the amplifier is 100W or more on all bands except 12M where it is >> about 75W, when driven by my K2. The RS-232 port works for computer >> control >> and monitoring. Photos available. Price is $600 plus shipping. PayPal OK. >> Bill K5EMI >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 11:52:58 -0800 >> From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> On 11/26/2020 1:43 AM, LDE wrote: >> > Line In Gain = 40 seems too high to me. >> >> Numerical values are pretty much meaningless. The values cited simply >> indicate that levels coming out of the computer are fairly low, so more >> gain is needed in the Elecraft input stage. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 15:19:43 -0500 >> From: Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FT8 Levels Sanity Check >> Message-ID: >> >> <[hidden email] >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Remember also, if the output level from the computer is too >> high, then it may not be possible to get the 4 bars steady, 5th >> flashing by adjusting the radio line in gain. This is because a >> change of one in the line in on the radio gives you either 4 >> bars steady or 5 bars steady. Cutting down the levels from the >> computer will let you use more gain in the radio, getting to a >> place where the step size of the digital gain is smaller, giving >> finer control. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> On 11/26/20 at 2:52 PM, [hidden email] (Jim Brown) wrote: >> >> >On 11/26/2020 1:43 AM, LDE wrote: >> >>Line In Gain = 40 seems too high to me. >> > >> >Numerical values are pretty much meaningless. The values cited >> >simply indicate that levels coming out of the computer are >> >fairly low, so more gain is needed in the Elecraft input stage. >> > >> >73, Jim K9YC >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle >> (408)348-7900 | around us, is there any choice | 150 >> Rivermead Rd #235 >> www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | >> Peterborough, NH 03458 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:06:05 +0000 >> From: Fredric Serota <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Setting up new KPA1500 and find it mutes receive >> when ATU active >> Message-ID: >> < >> [hidden email] >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> I find that when the ATU becomes active, it mutes the received sound a >> great deal. It does tune to a fine match, below 1.15:1. But regardless of >> band, as soon as it matches the received sound is way down. Don?t >> experience same when the ICOM transceiver tunes to the same antenna, all >> seems fine. Any help appreciated. This is a brand new unit right out of the >> box. I did upgrade to the latest firmware. >> >> Fred Serota, K3BHX >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 16:27:33 -0600 >> From: Jeff Blaine <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email], [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KPA1500 amplifier >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I offer for sale my KPA1500 amplifier in excellent cosmetic and >> operational condition. >> >> Given the amount of nonsense I see on a lot of boards with respect to >> high end gear sales, I would welcome the serious buyer come to the shack >> for a first hand personal check out of the amp so the new owner can be >> 100% satisfied of it's condition. >> >> For those otherwise trusting buyers who don't associate my callsign with >> that of a scoundrel, I would be willing to do some driving for a meet up >> & hand off as part of the deal.? QTH here is about 30 minutes south of >> Kansas City, KS, in the lovely center of the propagation black hole here >> in the great USA. >> >> $5400 OBO. >> >> Those interested - kindly contact me off list to ?? jeff at ac0c dot com >> >> Happy Thanksgiving and this year it looks like we will have some extra >> propagation on the CQ WPX CW contest this weekend as well to be thankful >> for. >> >> 73/jeff/ac0c >> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie >> www.ac0c.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:03:47 -0500 >> From: David Olean <[hidden email]> >> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling >> through my junk and found a new un populated PC board.? I must have >> bought it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no memory >> of any of it!?? All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet with a >> parts list.? By board has "Copyright Arcom 2016? KANT3 REV 1.0" printed >> on it. >> >> The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like it >> was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no >> information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can >> anyone point me towards a description? on this accessory?? I could find >> no mention of anything with a google search. >> >> Dave K1WHS >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 18:32:40 -0500 >> From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> >> To: David Olean <[hidden email]>, "[hidden email]" >> <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Dave, >> >> If I am not mistaken, that board would be installed in a K3 that did not >> have an ATU. >> >> If you bought the K3 without the tuner and later installed the tuner, >> that would be the reason you have it in your 'junk'. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 11/26/2020 6:03 PM, David Olean wrote: >> > I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling >> > through my junk and found a new un populated PC board.? I must have >> > bought it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no memory >> > of any of it!?? All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet with a >> > parts list.? By board has "Copyright Arcom 2016? KANT3 REV 1.0" printed >> > on it. >> > >> > The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like >> it >> > was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no >> > information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can >> > anyone point me towards a description? on this accessory?? I could find >> > no mention of anything with a google search. >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 19:35:28 -0500 >> From: David Olean <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email], "[hidden email]" >> <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hello Don and Carl, >> >> I guess I was not very clear on this. I have a couple of K3s and all >> have a KANT3. I know what that board is. This board is a bare (un >> populated) board that was made by someone to be a replacement for the >> stock KANT3 but it has some added switching and routing capabilities >> apparently.?? It was a non Elecraft mod kit for the K3. I vaguely >> remember saying that I was interested in the board after someone >> mentioned the design on the Elecraft reflector.? I ended up with a board >> and the parts list. I have no idea how to implement same! >> >> To be clear, this is not a KANT3 from Elecraft. It is a bare board and a >> list of parts that includes three ICs (TPIC6C596PW) a 78LO5 5 volt >> regulator plus a bunch of capacitors and resistors. There are two >> antenna connections that go on the board along with the 20 pin connector >> that you remove off the original KANT3 board from your radio. >> >> I am trying to figure out what this is and if it is usable. >> >> >> Dave K1WHS >> >> On 11/26/2020 6:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> > Dave, >> > >> > If I am not mistaken, that board would be installed in a K3 that did >> > not have an ATU. >> > >> > If you bought the K3 without the tuner and later installed the tuner, >> > that would be the reason you have it in your 'junk'. >> > >> > 73, >> > Don W3FPR >> > >> > On 11/26/2020 6:03 PM, David Olean wrote: >> >> I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling >> >> through my junk and found a new un populated PC board.? I must have >> >> bought it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no >> >> memory of any of it!?? All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet >> >> with a parts list.? By board has "Copyright Arcom 2016? KANT3 REV >> >> 1.0" printed on it. >> >> >> >> The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like >> >> it was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no >> >> information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can >> >> anyone point me towards a description? on this accessory?? I could >> >> find no mention of anything with a google search. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 19:56:35 -0500 >> From: Nr4c <[hidden email]> >> To: David Olean <[hidden email]> >> Cc: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KANT3 Replacement PC board >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I suspect it?s a way to have more than 1 antenna connection without the >> KAT3. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >> > On Nov 26, 2020, at 7:37 PM, David Olean <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > ?Hello Don and Carl, >> > >> > I guess I was not very clear on this. I have a couple of K3s and all >> have a KANT3. I know what that board is. This board is a bare (un >> populated) board that was made by someone to be a replacement for the stock >> KANT3 but it has some added switching and routing capabilities apparently. >> It was a non Elecraft mod kit for the K3. I vaguely remember saying that I >> was interested in the board after someone mentioned the design on the >> Elecraft reflector. I ended up with a board and the parts list. I have no >> idea how to implement same! >> > >> > To be clear, this is not a KANT3 from Elecraft. It is a bare board and >> a list of parts that includes three ICs (TPIC6C596PW) a 78LO5 5 volt >> regulator plus a bunch of capacitors and resistors. There are two antenna >> connections that go on the board along with the 20 pin connector that you >> remove off the original KANT3 board from your radio. >> > >> > I am trying to figure out what this is and if it is usable. >> > >> > >> > Dave K1WHS >> > >> >> On 11/26/2020 6:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Dave, >> >> >> >> If I am not mistaken, that board would be installed in a K3 that did >> not have an ATU. >> >> >> >> If you bought the K3 without the tuner and later installed the tuner, >> that would be the reason you have it in your 'junk'. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> >>> On 11/26/2020 6:03 PM, David Olean wrote: >> >>> I hope someone can steer me in the right direction. I was trolling >> through my junk and found a new un populated PC board. I must have bought >> it from someone on the Elecraft reflector, but I have no memory of any of >> it! All I have is the PC board and a printed sheet with a parts list. By >> board has "Copyright Arcom 2016 KANT3 REV 1.0" printed on it. >> >>> >> >>> The board has positions for 3 ICs and two small relays. It looks like >> it was made to route extra antenna connections etc. but I have no >> information on what it does or how it is implemented into the K3. Can >> anyone point me towards a description on this accessory? I could find no >> mention of anything with a google search. >> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> > >> > Th >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:06:46 -0500 >> From: [hidden email] >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Warrenty Work Turnaround >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> My KPA1500 was received on Monday Nov 23rd and I had an acknowledgment on >> Tuesday >> saying 10-15 business days. (Fault: Low Gain Ratio 0) >> >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:30:33 -0700 (MST) >> From: Robert Cunnings <[hidden email]> >> To: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!? >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> >> A contrarian view of cycle 25 was recently published which predicts a >> peak >> SSN twice that of cycle 24: >> >> < >> https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/community/topic/1775-new-research-suggests-solar-cycle-25-could-be-strongest-in-50-years/ >> > >> >> The article has a link to the paper, it's worth reading. They propose a >> new criterion for predicting the strength of a cycle which in their >> interpretation predicts a very strong cycle 25. Maybe they are on to >> something, maybe not, but we'll have to wait until 2025 to find out. My >> K3 >> is standing ready! >> >> Bob NW8L >> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020, Rich NE1EE wrote: >> >> > On 2020-11-25 16:52:-0700, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft wrote: >> > >> >> If, by some miracle, the sunspot count were to eventually jump up to a >> really high level, as was the case in around 2002, or even better in 1959, >> how would the various Elecraft receivers work? I?m specifically interested >> in the K1 and K2, but in general, is there a realistic problem with >> overloading of the front end? Or, assuming that you can hear signals from >> all over, will the selectivity, etc., be sufficient? >> >> >> >> Doug, W0UHU. >> > >> > I have been studying the records (I have a background in space plasma >> physics). Of course, I am not an expert, but I do enjoy analyzing >> scientific data. It seems to me that cycle 25 is likely to be a very active >> cycle. I see that NASA is anticipating a peak with 115 sunspots in July >> 2025, but I suspect that it will be much larger. Oops. Guess we'll see. >> > >> > ~R~ >> > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE >> > The Dusty Key >> > On the banks of the Piscataqua >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 22 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 20:13:14 -0800 >> From: Paul GACEK <[hidden email]> >> To: Robert Cunnings <[hidden email]> >> Cc: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>, Rich NE1EE >> <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sunspots!?!? >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Happy thanksgiving to all you care! >> >> ....and thinking positively , I?m all for cycle 25 being a whopper and >> incredible! >> >> Paul >> W6PNG/M0SNA >> www.nomadic.blog >> >> >> > On Nov 26, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Robert Cunnings <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> > >> > ?A contrarian view of cycle 25 was recently published which predicts a >> peak SSN twice that of cycle 24: >> > >> > < >> https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/community/topic/1775-new-research-suggests-solar-cycle-25-could-be-strongest-in-50-years/ >> > >> > >> > The article has a link to the paper, it's worth reading. They propose a >> new criterion for predicting the strength of a cycle which in their >> interpretation predicts a very strong cycle 25. Maybe they are on to >> something, maybe not, but we'll have to wait until 2025 to find out. My K3 >> is standing ready! >> > >> > Bob NW8L >> > >> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020, Rich NE1EE wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 2020-11-25 16:52:-0700, Douglas Hagerman via Elecraft wrote: >> >>> >> >>> If, by some miracle, the sunspot count were to eventually jump up to >> a really high level, as was the case in around 2002, or even better in >> 1959, how would the various Elecraft receivers work? I?m specifically >> interested in the K1 and K2, but in general, is there a realistic problem >> with overloading of the front end? Or, assuming that you can hear signals >> from all over, will the selectivity, etc., be sufficient? >> >>> >> >>> Doug, W0UHU. >> >> >> >> I have been studying the records (I have a background in space plasma >> physics). Of course, I am not an expert, but I do enjoy analyzing >> scientific data. It seems to me that cycle 25 is likely to be a very active >> cycle. I see that NASA is anticipating a peak with 115 sunspots in July >> 2025, but I suspect that it will be much larger. Oops. Guess we'll see. >> >> >> >> ~R~ >> >> 72/73 de Rich NE1EE >> >> The Dusty Key >> >> On the banks of the Piscataqua >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 23:26:37 -0500 >> From: SteveL <[hidden email]> >> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> >> > . I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd >> want to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support. I just >> don't see the professional depth in the general community. >> > >> >> >> I own a popular open-source based 3D printer. Finding the firmware to >> run the printer reliably is a challenge. Once found (or so I thought) then >> there?s the task of compiling and loading the firmware after customizing >> specifically for one of 4 different mother boards the vendor shipped with >> the same printer model, using vague and incomplete recommendations from the >> ?community". Then there?s the matter of rounding up all the right >> libraries and versions used during the code ?make? when it fails. Oh and >> it may require re-flashing a boot loader as it is susceptible to corruption >> for reasons I cannot get a clear answer on. Once loaded to the printer, >> only then to discover it?s really worse than the version you hoped to >> repair, or dramatically changed in ways that demand relearning from the >> beginning. >> >> I would have gladly paid $$ extra for non-open firmware that was >> supported by the vendor and just worked!! I wanted to print - not test and >> debug code! >> >> There is real value in proprietary, closed source?. particularly if it >> reliably brings the features and functions I purchased and is well >> supported by a responsive vendor such as Elecraft. >> >> Kudos to the Elecraft Team! >> Steve >> aa8af >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 21:47:14 -0700 >> From: David Gilbert <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> >> "I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd want >> to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support.?? I just >> don't see the professional depth in the general community." >> >> Presumably you're talking about the amature radio community because >> nonprofessional collaborative open source software development in >> general is alive and very well, but even so how about N1MM+, or even >> WSJT-X and derivatives?? I could probably come up with other examples if >> I was willing to waste more time on it. >> >> I think it would be insane of Elecraft to open up any of their products >> to open source development simply because of the chaos it would create >> for them trying to deal with users who busted their radios with buggy >> software that they probably wouldn't even admit to, but I also think >> your basic premise is flawed. >> >> Dave?? AB7E >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 25 >> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 11:09:07 +0200 >> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Firmware development >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> On the other hand, Elecraft can't afford to expend resources on new >> features for products no longer in production. Professional development >> costs money, and there's no revenue stream from free firmware for >> products that are not for sale. It might even have a negative effect by >> influencing users of older gear to keep it instead of upgrading. >> >> We are lucky that Elecraft fixes bugs in firmware for older products, >> and provides support for module upgrades. Some companies don't. >> >> There really isn't a simple solution, except to buy a K4 and make >> suggestions for new features while it is still the top of the line! >> >> Or, as I seem to be doing, follow Shimon Ben Zoma, who said, "Who is >> rich? He who appreciates what he has," in my case an upgraded K3. >> >> 73, >> Victor, 4X6GP >> Rehovot, Israel >> Formerly K2VCO >> CWops no. 5 >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> . >> On 27/11/2020 6:47, David Gilbert wrote: >> > >> > "I can't think of one open source, community-based product that I'd >> want >> > to hang my hat on, even if I do see some that I'd support.?? I just >> > don't see the professional depth in the general community." >> > >> > Presumably you're talking about the amature radio community because >> > nonprofessional collaborative open source software development in >> > general is alive and very well, but even so how about N1MM+, or even >> > WSJT-X and derivatives?? I could probably come up with other examples >> if >> > I was willing to waste more time on it. >> > >> > I think it would be insane of Elecraft to open up any of their products >> > to open source development simply because of the chaos it would create >> > for them trying to deal with users who busted their radios with buggy >> > software that they probably wouldn't even admit to, but I also think >> > your basic premise is flawed. >> > >> > Dave?? AB7E >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> You must be a subscriber to post. >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 199, Issue 22 >> ***************************************** >> > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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