Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 40, Issue 11- K2 - iMic for Digital Modes

[M0XDF]

Forgive my ignorance, but why on earth would you want to use NT4?
Apart for all its problems and security hols and the that its no longer
supported by MS?

On 9/8/07 09:02, "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]> sent:
>   Has anyone successfully used the iMic USB-Sound device for
>   digital modes (or anything else) with the MS NT4 o/s?  I want
>   to move my K2 digital stuff using the Rigblaster Plus interface
>   from my main computer using XP (where the iMic works very well)
>   to a separate computer using NT4.
>
>   The manufacturer says that it's not supported under NT, but we
>   know the ingenuity of Elecraft users, right?
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[Phil Kane-2]

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:04:33 +0100, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

>Forgive my ignorance, but why on earth would you want to use
>NT4? Apart for all its problems and security hols and the that
>its no longer supported by MS?

  The obvious one - it's a legitimate copy installed on an
  existing secondary machine that I use for my other hamming
  stuff - packet and APRS.   I really do not relish buying yet
  another copy of XP (I already have 2 on essential machines) and
  wrestling it onto a 10 year old PC even though I know that
  the iMic will work perfectly under XP.  Buying a newer machine
  for that application is out of the question.

  My OS of choice was IBM's OS/2 in its OEM version - eCommstation -
  but I could no longer get essential programs which had been
  upgraded for MS 32-bit OS to run on OS/2 even under an emulator.


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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 8/9/07, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>   The obvious one - it's a legitimate copy installed on an
>   existing secondary machine that I use for my other hamming
>   stuff - packet and APRS.

Quite right. I have a 9 year old Dell running Windows 98 which still
runs 12 hours a day receiving and decoding APT weather satellite
images and uploading them to my website. I don't give a damn about the
security holes or that Microsoft no longer supports it - it's the
other side of a firewall and I don't use it for web surfing anyway.

I could do 100% of what I need for radio, and most of everything else,
under Windows 98. (Being in the software and support biz I need to be
familiar with XP and Vista but there is little I actually use the
computer for that really needs XP, and I loathe Vista.)

A computer mag here has just written about how much power people could
save using the power management settings of their PC. I think we could
save far more if we weren't forced to use ever more bloated software
demanding ever more powerful PCs (and then we'd save ourselves the
problem of how to dispose of those perfectly functional but out of
date computers without contributing to another environmental
disaster.)

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote:

> A computer mag here has just written about how much power people could
> save using the power management settings of their PC. I think we could
> save far more if we weren't forced to use ever more bloated software
> demanding ever more powerful PCs (and then we'd save ourselves the
> problem of how to dispose of those perfectly functional but out of
> date computers without contributing to another environmental
> disaster.)

I believe that's one of the arguments for Linux....it runs on old machines.

Of course there's also DOS (g).

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[Kristina Wright-3]

On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Julian G4ILO wrote:

>  there is little I actually use the
> computer for that really needs XP, and I loathe Vista.
>
> I think we could save far more if we weren't forced to use ever  
> more bloated software
> demanding ever more powerful PCs


While I don't like to unnecessarily announce my humble opinions, I do  
believe that you might find this link interesting: http://
www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

73,
Kristina KE7LUC
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[Thom LaCosta]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Kristina Wright wrote:

>
> While I don't like to unnecessarily announce my humble opinions, I do believe
> that you might find this link interesting: http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Ah the same folks that brought us a phone that can only be used on one carrier.

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[Lee J. Imber (WW2DX)]

On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:38 PM, Thom LaCosta wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Kristina Wright wrote:
>
>>
>> While I don't like to unnecessarily announce my humble opinions, I  
>> do believe that you might find this link interesting: http://
>> www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
>
> Ah the same folks that brought us a phone that can only be used on  
> one carrier.

For now.

L.

WW2DX

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[Paul-285]

>>While I don't like to unnecessarily announce my humble opinions, I
>>do believe that you might find this link interesting:
>>http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
>
>Ah the same folks that brought us a phone that can only be used on
>one carrier.

...and a non replaceable battery...





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[Phil Kane-2]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:38:21 -0400 (EDT), Thom LaCosta wrote:

>Ah the same folks that brought us a phone that can only be used
>on one carrier.

  More accurately the one carrier that uses the protocol that the
  phone uses and has agreed to sign up subscribers.  Different
  carrier, different protocol.

  No different from trying to receive AM broadcasts on an FM
  broadcast radio.
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[Phil Kane-2]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:54:39 -0400, Lee (WW2DX) wrote:

>> Ah the same folks that brought us a phone that can only be used on
>> one carrier.

>For now.

  Because each carrier has a different protocol, there would have
  to be a wholesale switch to a single protocol.  This will
  revive the spitting contest of the early 1990s over which
  protocol is the best (more accurately which has the least
  shortcomings).

  Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it.

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[Phil Kane-2]

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:29:05 -0400 (EDT), Thom LaCosta wrote:

>I believe that's one of the arguments for Linux....it runs on old machines.

>Of course there's also DOS (g).

  Which doesn't multi-task worth beans and won't run a lot of
  programs that we all use now.  It will run my packet program
  very well (the program was written for DOS) but not two of them
  and the APRS program and MixW (for my K2), all to run on one
  machine simultaneously at that!

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Phil Kane wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:38:21 -0400 (EDT), Thom LaCosta wrote:
>
>> Ah the same folks that brought us a phone that can only be used
>> on one carrier.
>
>  More accurately the one carrier that uses the protocol that the
>  phone uses and has agreed to sign up subscribers.  Different
>  carrier, different protocol.

But old fashioned cell phones like mine can use at least 2 carriers...

It would seem that there are some other issues

http://www.eweek.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=25937&a=213146&po=12,00.asp?p=y

And so apologies to the list for OT
>
>  No different from trying to receive AM broadcasts on an FM
>  broadcast radio.

Guess you never had an am/fm radio?

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[Phil Kane-2]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:35:49 -0400 (EDT), Thom LaCosta wrote:

>>  More accurately the one carrier that uses the protocol that the
>>  phone uses and has agreed to sign up subscribers.  Different
>>  carrier, different protocol.

>But old fashioned cell phones like mine can use at least 2 carriers...

  That's because there is only one analog protocol - AMPS, the
  original ATT/Bell Labs one!   My carrier (Verizon Wireless) has
  notified us a while back that they will be dropping analog
  service sometime next spring.

  When you get into the digital world, there are at least three
  incompatible protocols - TDMA, CDMA. and GSM.  If there are
  several carriers using the same digital protocol, the chances
  are that one is leasing spectrum space from one of the three
  majors (ATT/Cingular, Verizon Wireless, and T-Mobile).

>It would seem that there are some other issues

  Lots and lots of them!

>And so apologies to the list for OT
>>
>>  No different from trying to receive AM broadcasts on an FM
>>  broadcast radio.

>Guess you never had an am/fm radio?

  My Kenwood R-5000 HF communications receiver can decode FM.  My
  Elecraft K2 can't.

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