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Paul Lamhut

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50

For kit deliveries I don¹t mind getting the kit followed by the assembly
manual posted online when it is ready!
Save a tree! Same for the user manual, save a tree.

As a side note, the pdf user manual format is great for reading on an
iPhone. With some minor zoom control it is easy to navigate and gives me
the ability to have a quick reference without carrying the the full size
document.

Use the save in iBook function to keep a permanent copy on the phone.

Anticipation growing!

Paul
WB2HHH

Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:31:45 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] Status update on the KX3
To: [hidden email], Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Hi all,

It's highly likely that we'll be shipping some KX3s by the end of this
week. We have all the parts and finished assemblies, and we're putting
things together and testing as we speak. With a complex new product it
takes time to work out the manufacturing and test issues, but our
"throughput" should increase rapidly.

Those who receive the first batch of KX3s should be aware of a few
things:

- Some firmware features are still being added or improved, and we
could be releasing new beta code as often as every few days. You can
load new code whenever you find it convenient.

- There are some last-minute hardware items that will be shipped after
the radio itself. This includes the battery charger (probably a few
weeks away). Any such items will be very easy to install.

- The printed owner's manual will initially be at revision A3. The
electronic version of the manual will be updated much more often,
including the errata sheet. Of course the electronic version is also
searchable.

- Because of last-minute changes, the first edition of the kit
assembly manual is probably out another week. We have to test the
assembly and configuration procedures to make sure everything is
working.

No doubt we've overlooked a few things in firmware or documentation.
We'll answer any questions as quickly as possible. But we're very much
looking forward to getting your KX3s shipped!

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Stephen G4SJP

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50

I should like to support that. It seems to me that a significant part of
the shipping weight is the manual - depending upon what is being ordered of
course. That can make a big differences to those of us overseas. I would
like the option to decline a printed manual for the larger items and enjoy
a (even if small) reduction in shipping cost. Some of you in the USA and
Canada would I expect be horrified by how much we have to pay for shipping,
and I'm not blaming Elecraft here of course.
73 Stephen G4SJP
On 28 March 2012 12:59, Paul Lamhut <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> For kit deliveries I don¹t mind getting the kit followed by the assembly
> manual posted online when it is ready!
> Save a tree! Same for the user manual, save a tree.
>
> As a side note, the pdf user manual format is great for reading on an
> iPhone. With some minor zoom control it is easy to navigate and gives me
> the ability to have a quick reference without carrying the the full size
> document.
>
> Use the save in iBook function to keep a permanent copy on the phone.
>
> Anticipation growing!
>
> Paul
> WB2HHH
>
>
>
> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:31:45 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Status update on the KX3
> To: [hidden email], Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi all,
>
> It's highly likely that we'll be shipping some KX3s by the end of this
> week. We have all the parts and finished assemblies, and we're putting
> things together and testing as we speak. With a complex new product it
> takes time to work out the manufacturing and test issues, but our
> "throughput" should increase rapidly.
>
> Those who receive the first batch of KX3s should be aware of a few
> things:
>
> - Some firmware features are still being added or improved, and we
> could be releasing new beta code as often as every few days. You can
> load new code whenever you find it convenient.
>
> - There are some last-minute hardware items that will be shipped after
> the radio itself. This includes the battery charger (probably a few
> weeks away). Any such items will be very easy to install.
>
> - The printed owner's manual will initially be at revision A3. The
> electronic version of the manual will be updated much more often,
> including the errata sheet. Of course the electronic version is also
> searchable.
>
> - Because of last-minute changes, the first edition of the kit
> assembly manual is probably out another week. We have to test the
> assembly and configuration procedures to make sure everything is
> working.
>
> No doubt we've overlooked a few things in firmware or documentation.
> We'll answer any questions as quickly as possible. But we're very much
> looking forward to getting your KX3s shipped!
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
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daleputnam

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50

The one issue that I see with on line manuals, after noting that they are easy to update, cost less to maintain,reflect current changes in production, are easy to access from anywhere, and the multitude of benefits, the one issue remains.The technician repairing a unit, that was built... XXXX.. with XxXx updates performed at a later date... has little, if any,record, of those changes. Yes the unit could be brought up to current standards, if the current standards are reachable, and attainable, with the owners resources. However, there are many times when what was.... before it broke,... is exactly what theowner wants to work. I've struggled with this with many manufactures and models of radio. If you pick up a K2, for example, which one is it? What version is it? What does it have for protection in the finals? Some how, the mods, the updates and changes, need to be able to be carried forward with each radio. The other side of this is that given a radio from... say the early K1 times... and only on line manuals... that are current to today... comparing what is in the manual, and what is in the radio.. may be a bit frustrating. Having said all that.. understand that this is NOT derogatory, nor pointing at any specific line of equipment, and it is withthe understanding that some of us, don't have the specifics memories applicable, like... say for example, Don, W3FPR, does. Yes, I know I am not supposed to point out issues, without a good suggested correction.. but this one gets past me.. any ideas?

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
>

> I should like to support that. It seems to me that a significant part of
> the shipping weight is the manual - depending upon what is being ordered of
> course. That can make a big differences to those of us overseas. I would
> like the option to decline a printed manual for the larger items and enjoy
> a (even if small) reduction in shipping cost. Some of you in the USA and
> Canada would I expect be horrified by how much we have to pay for shipping,
> and I'm not blaming Elecraft here of course.
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
> On 28 March 2012 12:59, Paul Lamhut <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > For kit deliveries I don¹t mind getting the kit followed by the assembly
> > manual posted online when it is ready!
> > Save a tree! Same for the user manual, save a tree.
> >
> > As a side note, the pdf user manual format is great for reading on an
> > iPhone. With some minor zoom control it is easy to navigate and gives me
> > the ability to have a quick reference without carrying the the full size
> > document.
> >
> > Use the save in iBook function to keep a permanent copy on the phone.
> >
> > Anticipation growing!
> >
> > Paul
> > WB2HHH
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:31:45 -0700
> > From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Status update on the KX3
> > To: [hidden email], Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> > Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It's highly likely that we'll be shipping some KX3s by the end of this
> > week. We have all the parts and finished assemblies, and we're putting
> > things together and testing as we speak. With a complex new product it
> > takes time to work out the manufacturing and test issues, but our
> > "throughput" should increase rapidly.
> >
> > Those who receive the first batch of KX3s should be aware of a few
> > things:
> >
> > - Some firmware features are still being added or improved, and we
> > could be releasing new beta code as often as every few days. You can
> > load new code whenever you find it convenient.
> >
> > - There are some last-minute hardware items that will be shipped after
> > the radio itself. This includes the battery charger (probably a few
> > weeks away). Any such items will be very easy to install.
> >
> > - The printed owner's manual will initially be at revision A3. The
> > electronic version of the manual will be updated much more often,
> > including the errata sheet. Of course the electronic version is also
> > searchable.
> >
> > - Because of last-minute changes, the first edition of the kit
> > assembly manual is probably out another week. We have to test the
> > assembly and configuration procedures to make sure everything is
> > working.
> >
> > No doubt we've overlooked a few things in firmware or documentation.
> > We'll answer any questions as quickly as possible. But we're very much
> > looking forward to getting your KX3s shipped!
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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WB4SON

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50

How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
"Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as
well. Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I
suspect it would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.

Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all
manuals online.

Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.

73, Bob, B4SON

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
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73, Bob, WB4SON

Bill K9YEQ

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

Ron,

Yes and I can a manual faster than the electronic PDF. Where the PDF shines
is in finding something, of course if you use the correct search language.
As I age I sometimes find remembering the right term eludes me. :-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic
manuals

While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for
new products or updates to manuals significantly.

99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.

Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that
has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over
the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair
log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does
not require any technology to read it.

73,

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----

How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
"Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well.
Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it
would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.

Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals
online.

Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.

73, Bob, B4SON

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>
> --... ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>

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Jessie Oberreuter-2

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

In reply to this post by WB4SON

Seconded. Indeed, I tape a 3x5 card to an inside panel on each piece
of equipment I modify so I have a list of changes made that can't be lost.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for
> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
>
> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
>
> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that
> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over
> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair
> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does
> not require any technology to read it.
>
> 73,
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well.
> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it
> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
>
> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals
> online.
>
> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
>
> 73, Bob, B4SON
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>>
>> --... ...--
>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>
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Scott-2

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

In reply to this post by WB4SON

Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow
back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I
want without a computer.

Scott
KF5MHS

On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for
> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
>
> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
>
> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that
> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over
> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair
> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does
> not require any technology to read it.
>
> 73,
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well.
> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it
> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
>
> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals
> online.
>
> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
>
> 73, Bob, B4SON
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>>
>> --... ...--
>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>
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Mike Reublin

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to
find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf
or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared
to paper.

The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating
desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for
checking off steps, and reading in my recliner.

73, Mike NF4L

On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote:

> Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow
> back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I
> want without a computer.
>
> Scott
> KF5MHS
>
> On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
>> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for
>> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
>>
>> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
>> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
>>
>> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that
>> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over
>> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair
>> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
>> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does
>> not require any technology to read it.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Ron AC7AC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
>> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
>> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
>> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
>> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well.
>> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it
>> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
>>
>> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals
>> online.
>>
>> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
>> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
>>
>> 73, Bob, B4SON
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>>>
>>> --... ...--
>>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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hf4me

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

I have all ten of my radio manuals on my smart phone. Not the easiest to
use but they are always with me and I can always find something I don't
remember how to do. Electronic capability is great. I print portions of
most of my manuals for ready reference. I spend a considerable amount of
time in quickie restaurants waiting and always have manuals and procedures
with me to read.

73, de Jim KG0KP

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95,Issue 50 - Electronic
manuals

> It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to
> find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf
> or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared
> to paper.
>
> The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating
> desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for
> checking off steps, and reading in my recliner.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote:
>> Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow
>> back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I
>> want without a computer.
>>
>> Scott
>> KF5MHS
>>
>> On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
>>> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals
>>> for
>>> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
>>>
>>> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
>>> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
>>>
>>> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000
>>> that
>>> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it
>>> over
>>> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be
>>> repair
>>> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
>>> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it
>>> does
>>> not require any technology to read it.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Ron AC7AC
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
>>> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
>>> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then
>>> you
>>> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
>>> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as
>>> well.
>>> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect
>>> it
>>> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
>>>
>>> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all
>>> manuals
>>> online.
>>>
>>> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I
>>> do
>>> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
>>>
>>> 73, Bob, B4SON
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam<[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> --... ...--
>>>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>>>
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Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

Electronic media is great (I've got a Kindle and love it!) HOWEVER, I like to have something I can hold in my hands and turn the pages, especially when working on gear or doing a D-I-Y project.

As for my K2 and K3 rigs, I've print off copies of the product reviews in QST, along with mods/fixes from the Elecraft site, and have had them bound at Staples or Office Max, into a "tech-manual" that I can use when I work on the radios. Also included are copies of e-mails from Gary Surrency, AB7MY, and Ron Wilhelm, W4FPR, that have answered specific questions I've had regarding the rigs. All this info is in addition to the written manual. The nice part about my home made tech-manual is it is coil bound and lays flat on the workbench or can be folded back upon itself to save workbench area if needed.

Unfortunately, the odd size of the K2 option build/installation bulletins means they don't fit the standard 8.5 x 11 inch paper format. Therefore, I have them bound in a separate coil bound volume that I can grab if needed. All this sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but it is worth it when I really need information in a hurry. It saves me from shuffling through stacks of manuals, paperwork, used bookie slips, traffic tickets, etc!!

Vy 73 es Gud DX

Rich Arland, K7SZ
"Cogito Ergo CQ!" ("I think therefore I HAM!" w/apologies to Rene Descartes 1596-1650)
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> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 05:29:41 -0400
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
>
> It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to
> find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf
> or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared
> to paper.
>
> The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating
> desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for
> checking off steps, and reading in my recliner.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
> On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote:
> > Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow
> > back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I
> > want without a computer.
> >
> > Scott
> > KF5MHS
> >
> > On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> >> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
> >> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for
> >> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
> >>
> >> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
> >> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
> >>
> >> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that
> >> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over
> >> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair
> >> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
> >> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does
> >> not require any technology to read it.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Ron AC7AC
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
> >> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
> >> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
> >> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
> >> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well.
> >> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it
> >> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
> >>
> >> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals
> >> online.
> >>
> >> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
> >> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
> >>
> >> 73, Bob, B4SON
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam<[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> --... ...--
> >>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
> >>>
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daleputnam

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

Mike sums it up nicely, as do a number of others, both paper and digital are nice for their own aspects. I wonder, tho, if there is a good way to utilize both... the digital one could be stored inside the radio, the paper kept safe while traveling away.Now if I can find a way to transfer the margin notes from the paper, into the digital, in the same margin space...... on the same page.Thank you all for your suggestions and affirmations.

--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
> From: [hidden email]

> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:39:30 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
>
>
> Electronic media is great (I've got a Kindle and love it!) HOWEVER, I like to have something I can hold in my hands and turn the pages, especially when working on gear or doing a D-I-Y project.
>
> As for my K2 and K3 rigs, I've print off copies of the product reviews in QST, along with mods/fixes from the Elecraft site, and have had them bound at Staples or Office Max, into a "tech-manual" that I can use when I work on the radios. Also included are copies of e-mails from Gary Surrency, AB7MY, and Ron Wilhelm, W4FPR, that have answered specific questions I've had regarding the rigs. All this info is in addition to the written manual. The nice part about my home made tech-manual is it is coil bound and lays flat on the workbench or can be folded back upon itself to save workbench area if needed.
>
> Unfortunately, the odd size of the K2 option build/installation bulletins means they don't fit the standard 8.5 x 11 inch paper format. Therefore, I have them bound in a separate coil bound volume that I can grab if needed. All this sounds like a lot of work, and it is, but it is worth it when I really need information in a hurry. It saves me from shuffling through stacks of manuals, paperwork, used bookie slips, traffic tickets, etc!!
>
> Vy 73 es Gud DX
>
> Rich Arland, K7SZ
> "Cogito Ergo CQ!" ("I think therefore I HAM!" w/apologies to Rene Descartes 1596-1650)
> Columnist: "The Learning Curve" CQ Magazine
> Columnist: "QRP Power" QST Magazine (Jan 2000 to Dec 2003)
> Author: "The ARRL's Low Power Communications, The Art and Science of QRP" (all 4 editions)
>
> Political understatement of the decade: "The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those people who vote for a living!" (de: Dr Jack Wheeler)
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 05:29:41 -0400
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
> >
> > It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to
> > find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf
> > or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared
> > to paper.
> >
> > The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating
> > desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for
> > checking off steps, and reading in my recliner.
> >
> > 73, Mike NF4L
> >
> > On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote:
> > > Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow
> > > back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I
> > > want without a computer.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > > KF5MHS
> > >
> > > On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > >> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
> > >> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals for
> > >> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
> > >>
> > >> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
> > >> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
> > >>
> > >> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000 that
> > >> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it over
> > >> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be repair
> > >> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
> > >> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it does
> > >> not require any technology to read it.
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >>
> > >> Ron AC7AC
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >>
> > >> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
> > >> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
> > >> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then you
> > >> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
> > >> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as well.
> > >> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect it
> > >> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
> > >>
> > >> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all manuals
> > >> online.
> > >>
> > >> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I do
> > >> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
> > >>
> > >> 73, Bob, B4SON
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam<[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
> > >>>
> > >>> --... ...--
> > >>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
> > >>>
> > >> ______________________________________________________________
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Jim N7US

Electronic manuals

In reply to this post by Mike Reublin

PDF manuals, including KE7X's book, can be transferred to a tablet computer
for reading in a recliner, airplane seat, or whatever!

73, Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find
things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or
coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to
paper.

The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk,
or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off
steps, and reading in my recliner.

73, Mike NF4L

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va3bxg

Re: Electronic manuals

I like papaer because it is easy to make notes, highlight items, add customized settings etc that you may have.

Electroic is fine for travel, but there is nothing like paer in tersm of flexibility etc

Robert

a 'kosher' ham
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Elecraft] Electronic manuals

PDF manuals, including KE7X's book, can be transferred to a tablet computer
for reading in a recliner, airplane seat, or whatever!

73, Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to find
things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf or
coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared to
paper.

The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating desk,
or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for checking off
steps, and reading in my recliner.

73, Mike NF4L

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Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

In reply to this post by hf4me

I have all of the Elecraft manuals of interest on my iPad (I just got a new iPad to replace my original iPad and the resolution makes reading these new manuals a new experience). I could never read them on my iPhone.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Miller KG0KP wrote:

> I have all ten of my radio manuals on my smart phone. Not the easiest to
> use but they are always with me and I can always find something I don't
> remember how to do. Electronic capability is great. I print portions of
> most of my manuals for ready reference. I spend a considerable amount of
> time in quickie restaurants waiting and always have manuals and procedures
> with me to read.
>
> 73, de Jim KG0KP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95,Issue 50 - Electronic
> manuals
>
>
>> It's nice to have both. The electronic one gives you a great ability to
>> find things, it's easily updated, and takes up no space on the bookshelf
>> or coffee table. And it's harder to misplace. It's dirt cheap compared
>> to paper.
>>
>> The paper one is good so I don't have to either build on my operating
>> desk, or carry a computer to the workbench, and it's handier for
>> checking off steps, and reading in my recliner.
>>
>> 73, Mike NF4L
>>
>> On 3/28/12 9:30 PM, Scott wrote:
>>> Personally, I don't really care how many trees are used up. They grow
>>> back. I want a paper copy of the manual. Then I can look up whatever I
>>> want without a computer.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> KF5MHS
>>>
>>> On 3/28/2012 1:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
>>>> While electronic manuals might save trees and PDF's are really great for
>>>> searching for information, that won't speed up the delivery of manuals
>>>> for
>>>> new products or updates to manuals significantly.
>>>>
>>>> 99.9% of the time (and cost) required to create a new document is in the
>>>> writing, illustrating, validating and editing. That doesn't change.
>>>>
>>>> Toward Dale's question, I have a binder for my K2 that I built in 2000
>>>> that
>>>> has copies of all the many mods and changes that have been made to it
>>>> over
>>>> the years. My K2 has never had a failure, but if it did there'd be
>>>> repair
>>>> log in that binder too. I have considered doing that electronically,
>>>> perhaps with a memory stick, but the one advantage of paper is that it
>>>> does
>>>> not require any technology to read it.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Ron AC7AC
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> How about you save the current online manuals and other info to a $4 USB
>>>> Memory stick and put it in the box? Maybe Elecraft could even supply a
>>>> "Elecraft" branded USB Memory Stick with the latest stuff on it. Then
>>>> you
>>>> would have a record that was consistent with when you bought your radio.
>>>> Elecraft could even save the Calibration data to that memory stick as
>>>> well.
>>>> Personally I'd rather have that than the printed manual, and I suspect
>>>> it
>>>> would cost far less given printing and shipping costs.
>>>>
>>>> Another possibility would be if Elecraft kept archival copies of all
>>>> manuals
>>>> online.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I can live without printed manuals -- I like the PDFs, but I
>>>> do
>>>> see Dale's point and the cheap USB Flash Drive seems like a cheap way.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Bob, B4SON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Dale Putnam<[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The one issue that I see with on line manuals ... any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> --... ...--
>>>>> Dale - WC7S in Wy
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Hisashi T Fujinaka

Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

I wonder if this is a matter of K2 vs K3? K2 needs a printed manual
because you need to make notes while you're building. The K3 is closer
to a pre-built system.

My problem is that Elecraft doesn't incorporate the Errata into the
mainline manual as quickly as I'd like, so I have to edit the
instructions before I start building. Otherwise, the instructions are
like:

1) do something
2) before you do the first thing something, do this instead
3) do something else

The mod kit to the KPA100 was like this and that's been out for a
half-dozen years!

Ah well, at least it makes it more like building a normal kit. :)

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Re: Electronic manuals

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After reading this thread, I concluded that downloading ALL the
online manuals for my new K3 would be a good idea. At least I
won't have to figure out which version of the manuals in the old
manual collection I need when I decide to try something new in a
few years. I'll try to remember to download the manuals for each
new accessory I add to the "Barbie Doll" over the years.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

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Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals

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OK, now you know the deep, dark, Arland Family Secret: I am dyslexic!!! Abd I CAN'T TYPE!!!!

Vy 73 es Gud DX

Rich Arland, K7SZ
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> From: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 95, Issue 50 - Electronic manuals
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:27:54 -0400
> To: [hidden email]
>
> HI Rich:
>
> FYI...(whispering into your ear)... it's Don Wilhelm.. not Ron. :)
>
> 73 de Ray
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Rick Tavan N6XI

Re: Electronic manuals

In reply to this post by Bill Frantz

Good idea, Bill. And they all fit in a tiny corner of an iPad!

/Rick

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> After reading this thread, I concluded that downloading ALL the
> online manuals for my new K3 would be a good idea.

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Rick Tavan N6XI
Truckee, CA
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