Re: [Elecraft_K3] K3 Shipping Status Update 11/26/07

[Jerry Flanders]

Resent due to a possible problem with earlier email on this subject
when I simply replied to Frank's post. If there is a JPG attached to
this, DO NOT click on it.
==================================================

On the shipment status page, reference is made to "Shipping
weeks Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7" and the statement "Orders with
deposits" is added to it as if the deposit somehow affects shipping status.

Exactly what, if anything, does a deposit have to do with a shipment?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jerry W4UK

At 05:13 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote:

 >Hello K3'ers
 >For those interested in K3 shipment status, the elecraft web site has been
 >updated.<snip>

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Jerry Flanders wrote:

> On the shipment status page, reference is made to "Shipping
> weeks  Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7" and the statement "Orders with
> deposits" is added to it as if the deposit somehow affects shipping status.
>
> Exactly what, if anything, does a deposit have to do with a shipment?

As I recall, those of us who paid a deposit would be shiiped before those that
didn't pay one....but of course, I could be wrong.

It certainly makes sense to me that those who helped fund the K3 project with
their deposits/full payments would have their units shipped before folks who
simply said "I'll take one."

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[Bruce Beford]

Jerry wrote:

On the shipment status page, reference is made to "Shipping
weeks Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7" and the statement "Orders with
deposits" is added to it as if the deposit somehow affects shipping status.

Exactly what, if anything, does a deposit have to do with a shipment?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jerry W4UK

N1RX:

Jerry, many people sent in deposits of 50% or paid in entirety up-front
seven months ago. Giving Elecraft that 'earnest money' certainly should
entitle those people to shipment before those who have not paid up-front.

73,
Bruce N1RX (has a deposit down)

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[N5GE]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:57:14 -0500, you wrote:

[snip]
>On the shipment status page, reference is made to "Shipping
>weeks Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7" and the statement "Orders with
>deposits" is added to it as if the deposit somehow affects shipping status.
>
>Exactly what, if anything, does a deposit have to do with a shipment?
[snip]

I spoke with Lisa today about that very thing.  She assured me the rumor that
rigs ordered with deposits shipping first is not true and has no bearing on
their shipping dates.  They are being shipped according to the date the order
was received.

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[Jerry Flanders]

At 11:05 PM 11/26/2007, Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:57:14 -0500, you wrote:
>
>[snip]
> >On the shipment status page, reference is made to "Shipping
> >weeks Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7" and the statement "Orders with
> >deposits" is added to it as if the deposit somehow affects shipping status.
> >
> >Exactly what, if anything, does a deposit have to do with a shipment?
>[snip]
>
>I spoke with Lisa today about that very thing.  She assured me the rumor that
>rigs ordered with deposits shipping first is not true and has no bearing on
>their shipping dates.  They are being shipped according to the date the order
>was received.
>
>Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537

I looked back in the archives a few minutes ago. On April 28, in the
K3 announcement post, N6KR said, among other things:

"As explained on the order form, you can reserve a K3 now for initial
shipments in July. A 50% deposit is requested if you'd like to secure
one of the first 200 production units (serial numbers 20-220,
probably)."

So it was more than a rumor. Probably more than 200 have been ordered
by now, so the offer is probably withdrawn.

Jerry W4UK

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On Nov 27, 2007 4:37 AM, Jerry Flanders <[hidden email]> wrote:

> So it was more than a rumor. Probably more than 200 have been ordered
> by now, so the offer is probably withdrawn.

The option to pay a 50% deposit is still on the Elecraft order page.
Doubtless the offer to get one of the first 200 is now withdrawn, but
one wonders what the benefit of paying the deposit is, in that case.

Certainly when I ordered back in May, the mention of getting one of
the first 200 seemed to imply that those who didn't pay a deposit
would have to wait until later. Perhaps not that many did pay. I'm a
little put out by the revelation that rigs ordered with deposits are
not getting priority, especially as it looks now as if I'll have to
ask for shipping to be delayed until after Christmas to be sure of
being here when it is delivered.

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[David Pratt-2]

Sadly, Julian, Elecraft's previous good name is being tarnished by the
K3 fiasco.

For several months, non-Elecraft users have been asking me about my K3.
I keep putting them off and telling them I will let them know when I get
it.  Unfortunately, with them it has now become somewhat of a joke.

Like you, I ordered mine with a deposit early May, prompted by the
attraction of one of the first 200.  Will it ever happen?

73

David G4DMP

In a recent message, Julian G4ILO <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>The option to pay a 50% deposit is still on the Elecraft order page.
>Doubtless the offer to get one of the first 200 is now withdrawn, but
>one wonders what the benefit of paying the deposit is, in that case.
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[Laurent Ferracci]

Julian G4ILO a écrit :

> Doubtless the offer to get one of the first 200 is now withdrawn, but
> one wonders what the benefit of paying the deposit is, in that case.

Hmmm.. Taking advantage of the good EUR/USD (or GBP/USD) exchange rate
we have now ? (In fact that's a bet, because it may be even better in a
few monthes, but as you pay only 50%, that may be a good bet !)

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On Nov 27, 2007 8:45 AM, Laurent Ferracci <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.. Taking advantage of the good EUR/USD (or GBP/USD) exchange rate
> we have now ? (In fact that's a bet, because it may be even better in a
> few monthes, but as you pay only 50%, that may be a good bet !)

I never bet, because I always lose, as I did in this case. The
exchange rate is much more favourable now than it was back in May (and
let's not even think about 6 months interest on  $1000.)
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[Greg - N4CC]

Oh come on now, David...there is no "fiasco".  The folks at Aptos are
doing a marvelous job.  They've had to deal with things that just
"happen" when you have a complex production operation and are relying
on subs for contract parts/boards.

So the first K3's didn't come out on the original schedule...they
have communicated why that is true and are providing weekly updates
of revised schedules.  The anxiety that is being created is caused
more by people on this reflector who are SPECULATING on what is
happening and whining about it.  If you read updates you would know
that if you ordered in early May then your radio is likely to ship in
the next couple weeks...and if that changes, you will know
why...Here's what was said...
Shipping weeks of Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7
(Orders with deposits):
We will be shipping the remaining 5/1 orders and many of the 5/2
orders during this period. (We still have at least a week to go on
5/1 orders due to the very short holiday week last week.)

We have been running a little slow on assembled K3s and are still
working on shipping a small number of these from 4/27-30 this week.
The shipping rate on these will pick up this week (week of 11/26) and next.

The initial rush of orders was greatest 4/27-5/3, and also on 5/7.
After that group is shipped our movement through the backlog calendar
will pick up considerably. We're also adding staff (and overtime) in
production and test and hope to beat the above plan. We'll update it
here early each week.

How can you ask for more than that?  If you have a specific question
regarding your order, ask them...don't talk about tarnished
reputation on a reflector.

I sent a note to Lisa yesterday evening asking if she expected
shipment of my radio before Christmas.  Mine was ordered on July
6.  AT 8:02 PM Pacific time she replied...and said that if things go
as planned it should be shipped before the end of the year...  Try
sending a note to one of the other manufacturers and see if you get a
reply from them at 8 p.m.   Ha!

I also had not put down a deposit and told her that I would be happy
to do that if priority was being given to those who did provide the
deposit.  She said a deposit would not change my place in line.  I'm
absolutely delighted and astounded by the prompt response from some
obviously dedicated people.  I've never owned an Elecraft radio
before but if it works as well as the customer service, I know I will
be happy.  Patience, lad...if you didn't have the anticipation, you
wouldn't appreciate it as much when you do get it.  73 de Greg-N4CC


At 03:28 AM 11/27/2007, David Pratt wrote:

>Sadly, Julian, Elecraft's previous good name is being tarnished by
>the K3 fiasco.
>
>For several months, non-Elecraft users have been asking me about my
>K3. I keep putting them off and telling them I will let them know
>when I get it.  Unfortunately, with them it has now become somewhat of a joke.
>
>Like you, I ordered mine with a deposit early May, prompted by the
>attraction of one of the first 200.  Will it ever happen?
>
>73
>
>David G4DMP
>
>In a recent message, Julian G4ILO <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>>The option to pay a 50% deposit is still on the Elecraft order page.
>>Doubtless the offer to get one of the first 200 is now withdrawn, but
>>one wonders what the benefit of paying the deposit is, in that case.
>--
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>Leeds, England, UK
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[Thom LaCosta]

At 03:28 AM 11/27/2007, David Pratt wrote:

>Like you, I ordered mine with a deposit early May, prompted by the
>attraction of one of the first 200.  Will it ever happen?

I chatted via telephone on 11/26/2007 with Eric and Lisa about my
unit ordered on May 4, 2007.  Both told me it should ship within two
weeks( I forget how many times on how many dates I've been told
within two weeks ), and Lisa told me, after checking something, that
I should get a serial number in the First Batch.

Perhaps if those of us that ordered early need to look at the K3 as a
fine bottle of wine, or a hand-wrapped cigar....no matter how much we
want to savor it, one can not hurry the ageing process.

As far as shipping units that had no deposit/full payment before
those that had been partially/fully paid....I think if that has
happened in the first batch, it's really shoddy treatment for those
who gave Elecraft financial aid with their deposits or
prepayments.  Who knows, maybe they'll ship us a keychain, or a mouse
pad or some trinket of appreciation.

73,
Thom k3hrn

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[Chris G3SJJ]

The main problem Greg is inconsistency of information. The way I read
the latest update is :

w/c 26 Nov - shipping remaining orders received on 1 May
w/c   3 Dec - shipping orders received on 2 May
that seems fairly clear, we also know that that the first peak went on
to 3 May so it seems reasonable to say
w/c 10 Dec - shipping orders received up to 3 May
plus another peak on 7 May
w/c 17 Dec - shipping orders received on 7 May

There may be a big increase in output towards end of w/c 10 and 17 Dec
which will allow completion of the first production run. We know that
initially this run was to be 200 units and then extended (speculatively)
to around 250. Orders for this closed at 1800 14 May and anyone paying
their 50% deposit would be included in that run.

What is now confusing is that you are told that your order placed on 6
July will be shipped before Christmas. This is really strange given that
we know the above dates. It means that all orders received at Dayton
will be shipped before end of December, plus all orders for the rest of
May, plus all orders during June, plus all orders placed early July. I
really do find that difficult to believe.

With respect to the 50% deposit, we understood paying that placed you in
the first production run. If you didn't opt to pay then you would be in
the 2nd run. What I don't understand is how that still works. It seems
to me that a deposit should not be required after 14 May and if someone
does elect to pay then it would not guarantee moving up the queue. That
should be made clear.

I ordered and paid my deposit for a K3/100 plus 2nd rx and received
conformation at 1221 on 14 May so expect to be in the 1st run. I have
recently been hopeful of receiving it before Christmas but I am now not
sure since it would have to be shipped by 14 Dec at latest.

Shipping of the 2nd rx should commence Sunday 30 December, this hasn't
changed so I presume it is still on schedule. Again I have paid my 50%
so assume it will be in the first batch. My guess is that that not all
1st prodn orders included the 2nd rx so I might just get that in time
for RSGB AFS CW contest on 13 Jan, which would really be very useful as
I do SO2V in that event. The only problem I see is that I might have the
2nd rx but no K3 to put it in!!

As I said first off, it is the lack of consistent information that is
confusing and frustrating.

Chris G3SJJ





Greg - N4CC wrote:

> Oh come on now, David...there is no "fiasco".  The folks at Aptos are
> doing a marvelous job.  They've had to deal with things that just
> "happen" when you have a complex production operation and are relying
> on subs for contract parts/boards.
>
> So the first K3's didn't come out on the original schedule...they have
> communicated why that is true and are providing weekly updates of
> revised schedules.  The anxiety that is being created is caused more
> by people on this reflector who are SPECULATING on what is happening
> and whining about it.  If you read updates you would know that if you
> ordered in early May then your radio is likely to ship in the next
> couple weeks...and if that changes, you will know why...Here's what
> was said...
> Shipping weeks of Nov 26-30 and Dec 3-7
> (Orders with deposits):
> We will be shipping the remaining 5/1 orders and many of the 5/2
> orders during this period. (We still have at least a week to go on 5/1
> orders due to the very short holiday week last week.)
>
> We have been running a little slow on assembled K3s and are still
> working on shipping a small number of these from 4/27-30 this week.
> The shipping rate on these will pick up this week (week of 11/26) and
> next.
>
> The initial rush of orders was greatest 4/27-5/3, and also on 5/7.
> After that group is shipped our movement through the backlog calendar
> will pick up considerably. We're also adding staff (and overtime) in
> production and test and hope to beat the above plan. We'll update it
> here early each week.
>
> How can you ask for more than that?  If you have a specific question
> regarding your order, ask them...don't talk about tarnished reputation
> on a reflector.
>
> I sent a note to Lisa yesterday evening asking if she expected
> shipment of my radio before Christmas.  Mine was ordered on July 6.  
> AT 8:02 PM Pacific time she replied...and said that if things go as
> planned it should be shipped before the end of the year...  Try
> sending a note to one of the other manufacturers and see if you get a
> reply from them at 8 p.m.   Ha!
>
> I also had not put down a deposit and told her that I would be happy
> to do that if priority was being given to those who did provide the
> deposit.  She said a deposit would not change my place in line.  I'm
> absolutely delighted and astounded by the prompt response from some
> obviously dedicated people.  I've never owned an Elecraft radio before
> but if it works as well as the customer service, I know I will be
> happy.  Patience, lad...if you didn't have the anticipation, you
> wouldn't appreciate it as much when you do get it.  73 de Greg-N4CC

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[Stewart Baker]

Mine was ordered on 2nd May. Sent a mail to Lisa and got a reply back within
24hrs. Gist is that as I did not pay 50% up front I will have to wait till those
orders are cleared (no problem with that).

Lisa said that my order should be dispatched in about 3 weeks.
That will probably be about a month, and then the problems start !

It will get held up (or lost) in the Xmas post, and then despite taking 3 days
to get to the UK, Parcel Farce will take another 3 weeks to get it to my door...
That puts my K3 arrival about mid to end of January 2008.

Am I being overly pessimistic ?

Cat has left home after the constant kicking, however on the plus side the
Mother in Law has decided not to visit at Christmas due to the black atmosphere
at the 'RXQ QTH...

73
Stewart G3RXQ

P.S. Decided to build my own K3 - now where's that blow torch for the SMD's ?

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:37:59 -0500, Thom LaCosta wrote:

> At 03:28 AM 11/27/2007, David Pratt wrote:
>
>> Like you, I ordered mine with a deposit early May, prompted by the
>> attraction of one of the first 200.  Will it ever happen?
>>
> I chatted via telephone on 11/26/2007 with Eric and Lisa about my
> unit ordered on May 4, 2007.  Both told me it should ship within two
> weeks( I forget how many times on how many dates I've been told
> within two weeks ), and Lisa told me, after checking something, that
> I should get a serial number in the First Batch.
>
> Perhaps if those of us that ordered early need to look at the K3 as a
> fine bottle of wine, or a hand-wrapped cigar....no matter how much we
> want to savor it, one can not hurry the ageing process.
>
> As far as shipping units that had no deposit/full payment before
> those that had been partially/fully paid....I think if that has
> happened in the first batch, it's really shoddy treatment for those
> who gave Elecraft financial aid with their deposits or
> prepayments.  Who knows, maybe they'll ship us a keychain, or a mouse
> pad or some trinket of appreciation.
>
> 73,
> Thom k3hrn
>
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[Craig Rairdin]

> As far as shipping units that had no deposit/full payment
> before those that had been partially/fully paid....I think
> if that has happened in the first batch, it's really shoddy
> treatment for those who gave Elecraft financial aid with
> their deposits or prepayments.  

Let's clarify what those of us who made a deposit were promised: We were
told if we made a deposit we would be assured of being in the FIRST 200
SERIAL NUMBERS (until those were sold, of course). If only 100 deposits were
made, then Elecraft could ship in order-date order and still be keeping its
promise. If 200 deposits were made and the production run was increased to
300, Elecraft could ship in order-date order but reserve serial numbers
below 220 for deposit-makers and still be keeping its promise.

If more deposits were made than there were units in the first production
run, and if serial numbers < 220 are not being reserved for the first 200
deposit-makers, then Elecraft isn't keeping its promise to those who made
deposits.

Consider the possibility that there were 199 deposits made in the first 1000
orders, then the 200th deposit was made. If Elecraft sends serial number 220
to the 1001st customer, they would be fulfilling the promise to
deposit-makers even if the other 1000 radios get shipped first.

Since we don't know the number of deposits made or the size of the first (or
any) product run, we can't say for sure whether or not this promise is being
kept. We can only give them the benefit of the doubt. Note that if you order
today and make a deposit, there's no benefit other than the good feeling
that comes from helping Elecraft improve its cash flow during a time when
cash flow is dependant on shipping radios that are apparently hard to ship
in quantity.

Craig
NZ0R
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[John A. McCabe]

Craig Rairdin wrote:
>> As far as shipping units that had no deposit/full payment
>> before those that had been partially/fully paid....I think
>> if that has happened in the first batch, it's really shoddy
>> treatment for those who gave Elecraft financial aid with
>> their deposits or prepayment
There is a note on Elecraft's shipping status page regarding deposits
that states that K3 orders received with a deposit before approximately
May 14th (which I assume is the 1st batch) will ship before other orders
received during that period. Orders after May 14th will ship in the
order received.

73, John KD8K
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[Craig Rairdin]

Just to clarify I was quoting someone else who used the phrase "shoddy
treatment". The message below makes it appear that I said that. Like John, I
was trying to clarify what Elecraft promised in RESPONSE to the previous
post that speculated about possible "shoddy treatment".

Craig
NZ0R

-----Original Message-----
From: John A. McCabe [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:56 AM
To: Craig Rairdin
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping Status Update 11/26/07




Craig Rairdin wrote:
>> As far as shipping units that had no deposit/full payment
>> before those that had been partially/fully paid....I think
>> if that has happened in the first batch, it's really shoddy
>> treatment for those who gave Elecraft financial aid with
>> their deposits or prepayment
There is a note on Elecraft's shipping status page regarding deposits
that states that K3 orders received with a deposit before approximately
May 14th (which I assume is the 1st batch) will ship before other orders
received during that period. Orders after May 14th will ship in the
order received.

73, John KD8K

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