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k6dgw

Re: Elecraft] K3S vs. K3

Being hearing impaired ...i.e. almost deaf ... has some advantages. My K3's audio sounds great and always has. I can hear it.

73

Fred K6DGW
TDY Sparks NV

Rick Tavan N6XI <[hidden email]> wrote:

>A former colleague summed it up nicely during a bar conversation about our
>stereo systems: "All audio is just a psycho-acoustic trick."
>
>73,
>
>/Rick N6XI
>
>On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to
>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio
>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a
>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive
>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to
>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3
>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it.
>>
>
>--
>Rick Tavan N6XI
>Truckee, CA
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Robert Nobis - N7RJN

Re: Elecraft] K3S vs. K3

Fred,

That puts things in proper perspective.

73,

Bob Nobis - N7RJN
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> On May 16, 2015, at 22:25, Fred C. Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Being hearing impaired ...i.e. almost deaf ... has some advantages. My K3's audio sounds great and always has. I can hear it.
>
> 73
>
> Fred K6DGW
> TDY Sparks NV
>
> Rick Tavan N6XI <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> A former colleague summed it up nicely during a bar conversation about our
>> stereo systems: "All audio is just a psycho-acoustic trick."
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> /Rick N6XI
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to
>>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio
>>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a
>>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive
>>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to
>>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3
>>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Tavan N6XI
>> Truckee, CA
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Mike Markowski-2

Re: Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings)

I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe
w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the
general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good
results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a
little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm
mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.)

Picture is at

http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/

and the settings are listed in the text.

73,
Mike ab3ap

> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to
>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio
>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs.
>> ...
>>
>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a
>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive
>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to
>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3
>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it.
>
> --
> Rick Tavan N6XI
> Truckee, CA

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings)

To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While
the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB),
there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top
of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones
place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range.

I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB
respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most
of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-05-17 11:56 AM, Mike Markowski wrote:

> I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe
> w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the
> general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good
> results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a
> little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm
> mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.)
>
> Picture is at
>
> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/
>
> and the settings are listed in the text.
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to
>>> - to
>>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio
>>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my
>>> needs.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a
>>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm
>>> receive
>>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to
>>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say
>>> my K3
>>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it.
>>
>> --
>> Rick Tavan N6XI
>> Truckee, CA
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Jim Brown-10

Re: Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings)

I generally agree with Joe, but go a bit farther. My general
recommendations are:

Max cut of the three lowest bands, cut the 4th band by 6 dB, and get
signal reports. The "right" settings for bands 4 and 8 will vary with
the mic and your voice.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,5/17/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While
> the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB),
> there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top
> of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones
> place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range.
>
> I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB
> respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most
> of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2015-05-17 11:56 AM, Mike Markowski wrote:
>> I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe
>> w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the
>> general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good
>> results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a
>> little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm
>> mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.)
>>
>> Picture is at
>>
>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/
>>
>> and the settings are listed in the text.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike ab3ap
>>
>>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to
>>>> - to
>>>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and
>>>> audio
>>>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my
>>>> needs.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I
>>>> found a
>>>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm
>>>> receive
>>>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most
>>>> pleasing to
>>>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say
>>>> my K3
>>>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Tavan N6XI
>>> Truckee, CA
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Mike Markowski-2

Re: Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings)

Thanks, Jim k9yc and Joe w4tv. I've updated the program so that there
are now two presets, one for each of your calls and with your
recommended settings (note Jim's advice that bands 4 and 8 should be set
using on air reports):

http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/

Click on K3EQ for more info or download the zip file to run the Java
executables.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 05/17/2015 12:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> I generally agree with Joe, but go a bit farther. My general
> recommendations are:
>
> Max cut of the three lowest bands, cut the 4th band by 6 dB, and get
> signal reports. The "right" settings for bands 4 and 8 will vary with
> the mic and your voice.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On Sun,5/17/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While
>> the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB),
>> there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top
>> of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones
>> place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range.
>>
>> I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB
>> respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most
>> of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV