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K7TV

Re: FW: Handles and feet

Clay wrote: " I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors.
:-)"

Let me be more specific on why additional side panel protectors might be
desired. The standard side panel feet work great when the boxes of a K-line
are placed in the order shown in the ad's. However, when you go to a 2-radio
configuration for SO2R, you probably want the most often looked at, or
touched, front panels close together in the middle. The quick pace of SO2R
operations really demands the very best ergonomics that you can achieve. I
currently have the two transceivers in the middle for easy access to the
knobs, with the P3's immediately to the right and left of the two radios.
That means on the right hand side, the boxes are in the standard "K-line"
order, but on the left hand side, the transceiver handle is free to scratch
the neighboring P3. That is what actually happened, but it could have been a
speaker or other box getting scratched. With the two transceivers
side-by-side in the middle, the side feet of the left-hand radio are
positioned next to the handle of the right-hand radio, but they are thinner
than the handle, and there is the potential for the handle to scratch the
left-hand radio in spite of the feet.

I realize that most people are not interested in dual-radio configurations,
but some may have their own reasons for placing their boxes in a unique
order. It seems to me that the handles could be redesigned so as to have no
sharp edges that can cause scratches, or even better, redesigned so at to
incorporate rubber bumpers. Also, the standard side panel feet could be made
slightly thicker (i.e. thicker than the handles) , and/or available as
add-on options for those who don't use the standard box ordering. Just an
idea, and I am not holding my breath. In the meantime, I may go with
removable stick-on feet, whether the common non-durable types or the better
quality ones suggested by Clay. (In his original suggestion it was not clear
to me that they were easily removable.) As to glue remaining after a cheap
rubber foot has fallen off, I have in the past been successful removing it
with denaturated alcohol, but the paint was left slightly dull. That was on
a "Fine Junk" box, and I would not be surprised it the high quality Elecraft
paint stands up much better. Goo Gone may be better, but I think the
dullness was caused by the glue reacting with the inferior paint, not the
alcohol, as surrounding areas touched by the alcohol did not become dull.

Not lacking solutions here, just in the mindset of discussing ideals. My
comment was triggered by the image showing the KPA1500 handle. It was not
intended to detract from the fact that the KPA1500 comes so close to so many
of our wishes for the ideal legal power amplifier, including my own. I
really believe the KPA1500 fills a need, and that the price is reasonable
for what it is. For me it is not immediately affordable, but that is a
separate issue. Maybe one day ....

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Autery [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:14 AM
To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet - was KPA 500 vs New 1500 watt
amp

Never said I would use that solution.... and it would not affect resale as
it is cleanly removable without tool or solvent and no marring of the
surface.

I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors. :-)

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Re: FW: Handles and feet

Another Idea would be to cut some thin (1/2") spacers out of wood that would set in the desktop between the gear to separate it.
I run into the same issue as you since some of the gear does not have handles and feet on the sides (speakers, tuner, P3 etc)and in the past I also had a piece of gear get a scratch on it, luckily it was on a piece I made so I could repaint it to match.

From: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>
To: 'Clay Autery' <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet

Clay wrote: " I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors.
:-)"

Let me be more specific on why additional side panel protectors might be
desired. The standard side panel feet work great when the boxes of a K-line
are placed in the order shown in the ad's. However, when you go to a 2-radio
configuration for SO2R, you probably want the most often looked at, or
touched, front panels close together in the middle. The quick pace of SO2R
operations really demands the very best ergonomics that you can achieve. I
currently have the two transceivers in the middle for easy access to the
knobs, with the P3's immediately to the right and left of the two radios.
That means on the right hand side, the boxes are in the standard "K-line"
order, but on the left hand side, the transceiver handle is free to scratch
the neighboring P3. That is what actually happened, but it could have been a
speaker or other box getting scratched. With the two transceivers
side-by-side in the middle, the side feet of the left-hand radio are
positioned next to the handle of the right-hand radio, but they are thinner
than the handle, and there is the potential for the handle to scratch the
left-hand radio in spite of the feet.

I realize that most people are not interested in dual-radio configurations,
but some may have their own reasons for placing their boxes in a unique
order. It seems to me that the handles could be redesigned so as to have no
sharp edges that can cause scratches, or even better, redesigned so at to
incorporate rubber bumpers. Also, the standard side panel feet could be made
slightly thicker (i.e. thicker than the handles) , and/or available as
add-on options for those who don't use the standard box ordering. Just an
idea, and I am not holding my breath. In the meantime, I may go with
removable stick-on feet, whether the common non-durable types or the better
quality ones suggested by Clay. (In his original suggestion it was not clear
to me that they were easily removable.) As to glue remaining after a cheap
rubber foot has fallen off, I have in the past been successful removing it
with denaturated alcohol, but the paint was left slightly dull. That was on
a "Fine Junk" box, and I would not be surprised it the high quality Elecraft
paint stands up much better. Goo Gone may be better, but I think the
dullness was caused by the glue reacting with the inferior paint, not the
alcohol, as surrounding areas touched by the alcohol did not become dull.

Not lacking solutions here, just in the mindset of discussing ideals. My
comment was triggered by the image showing the KPA1500 handle. It was not
intended to detract from the fact that the KPA1500 comes so close to so many
of our wishes for the ideal legal power amplifier, including my own. I
really believe the KPA1500 fills a need, and that the price is reasonable
for what it is. For me it is not immediately affordable, but that is a
separate issue. Maybe one day ....

73,
Erik K7TV

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Clay Autery

Re: FW: Handles and feet

In reply to this post by K7TV

I have given a "proper" spacing/protecting engineering solution serious
thought on a number of occasions.

I will simply come up with something that meets the requirements when I
get to that bridge.

I'm more inclined to incorporate a spacing plan with a replacement of
the side panels or some way to protect the vulnerable front/rear panels.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 4/22/2017 11:33 AM, Erik Basilier wrote:

> Clay wrote: " I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors.
> :-)"
>
> Let me be more specific on why additional side panel protectors might be
> desired. The standard side panel feet work great when the boxes of a K-line
> are placed in the order shown in the ad's. However, when you go to a 2-radio
> configuration for SO2R, you probably want the most often looked at, or
> touched, front panels close together in the middle. The quick pace of SO2R
> operations really demands the very best ergonomics that you can achieve. I
> currently have the two transceivers in the middle for easy access to the
> knobs, with the P3's immediately to the right and left of the two radios.
> That means on the right hand side, the boxes are in the standard "K-line"
> order, but on the left hand side, the transceiver handle is free to scratch
> the neighboring P3. That is what actually happened, but it could have been a
> speaker or other box getting scratched. With the two transceivers
> side-by-side in the middle, the side feet of the left-hand radio are
> positioned next to the handle of the right-hand radio, but they are thinner
> than the handle, and there is the potential for the handle to scratch the
> left-hand radio in spite of the feet.
>
> I realize that most people are not interested in dual-radio configurations,
> but some may have their own reasons for placing their boxes in a unique
> order. It seems to me that the handles could be redesigned so as to have no
> sharp edges that can cause scratches, or even better, redesigned so at to
> incorporate rubber bumpers. Also, the standard side panel feet could be made
> slightly thicker (i.e. thicker than the handles) , and/or available as
> add-on options for those who don't use the standard box ordering. Just an
> idea, and I am not holding my breath. In the meantime, I may go with
> removable stick-on feet, whether the common non-durable types or the better
> quality ones suggested by Clay. (In his original suggestion it was not clear
> to me that they were easily removable.) As to glue remaining after a cheap
> rubber foot has fallen off, I have in the past been successful removing it
> with denaturated alcohol, but the paint was left slightly dull. That was on
> a "Fine Junk" box, and I would not be surprised it the high quality Elecraft
> paint stands up much better. Goo Gone may be better, but I think the
> dullness was caused by the glue reacting with the inferior paint, not the
> alcohol, as surrounding areas touched by the alcohol did not become dull.
>
> Not lacking solutions here, just in the mindset of discussing ideals. My
> comment was triggered by the image showing the KPA1500 handle. It was not
> intended to detract from the fact that the KPA1500 comes so close to so many
> of our wishes for the ideal legal power amplifier, including my own. I
> really believe the KPA1500 fills a need, and that the price is reasonable
> for what it is. For me it is not immediately affordable, but that is a
> separate issue. Maybe one day ....
>
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Autery [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:14 AM
> To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet - was KPA 500 vs New 1500 watt
> amp
>
> Never said I would use that solution.... and it would not affect resale as
> it is cleanly removable without tool or solvent and no marring of the
> surface.
>
> I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors. :-)
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
>

Bill K9YEQ

Re: FW: Handles and feet

How about a small block under the soft handle? The handle would then easily protect another piece of equipment.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:12 PM
To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet

I have given a "proper" spacing/protecting engineering solution serious thought on a number of occasions.

I will simply come up with something that meets the requirements when I get to that bridge.

I'm more inclined to incorporate a spacing plan with a replacement of the side panels or some way to protect the vulnerable front/rear panels.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 4/22/2017 11:33 AM, Erik Basilier wrote:

> Clay wrote: " I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors.
> :-)"
>
> Let me be more specific on why additional side panel protectors might
> be desired. The standard side panel feet work great when the boxes of
> a K-line are placed in the order shown in the ad's. However, when you
> go to a 2-radio configuration for SO2R, you probably want the most
> often looked at, or touched, front panels close together in the
> middle. The quick pace of SO2R operations really demands the very best
> ergonomics that you can achieve. I currently have the two transceivers
> in the middle for easy access to the knobs, with the P3's immediately to the right and left of the two radios.
> That means on the right hand side, the boxes are in the standard "K-line"
> order, but on the left hand side, the transceiver handle is free to
> scratch the neighboring P3. That is what actually happened, but it
> could have been a speaker or other box getting scratched. With the two
> transceivers side-by-side in the middle, the side feet of the
> left-hand radio are positioned next to the handle of the right-hand
> radio, but they are thinner than the handle, and there is the
> potential for the handle to scratch the left-hand radio in spite of the feet.
>
> I realize that most people are not interested in dual-radio
> configurations, but some may have their own reasons for placing their
> boxes in a unique order. It seems to me that the handles could be
> redesigned so as to have no sharp edges that can cause scratches, or
> even better, redesigned so at to incorporate rubber bumpers. Also, the
> standard side panel feet could be made slightly thicker (i.e. thicker
> than the handles) , and/or available as add-on options for those who
> don't use the standard box ordering. Just an idea, and I am not
> holding my breath. In the meantime, I may go with removable stick-on
> feet, whether the common non-durable types or the better quality ones
> suggested by Clay. (In his original suggestion it was not clear to me
> that they were easily removable.) As to glue remaining after a cheap
> rubber foot has fallen off, I have in the past been successful
> removing it with denaturated alcohol, but the paint was left slightly
> dull. That was on a "Fine Junk" box, and I would not be surprised it
> the high quality Elecraft paint stands up much better. Goo Gone may be
> better, but I think the dullness was caused by the glue reacting with the inferior paint, not the alcohol, as surrounding areas touched by the alcohol did not become dull.
>
> Not lacking solutions here, just in the mindset of discussing ideals.
> My comment was triggered by the image showing the KPA1500 handle. It
> was not intended to detract from the fact that the KPA1500 comes so
> close to so many of our wishes for the ideal legal power amplifier,
> including my own. I really believe the KPA1500 fills a need, and that
> the price is reasonable for what it is. For me it is not immediately
> affordable, but that is a separate issue. Maybe one day ....
>
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Autery [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:14 AM
> To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet - was KPA 500 vs New 1500
> watt amp
>
> Never said I would use that solution.... and it would not affect
> resale as it is cleanly removable without tool or solvent and no
> marring of the surface.
>
> I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors. :-)
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
>

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Don Wilhelm

Re: FW: Handles and feet

I would cut a few pieces of 1/4 inch plywood and cover it with black
fabric (contact cement, etc.). Just put the pieces between the gear
that need contact protection.

I do not personally have the problem, so this is just a suggestion for
those who do. If you normally use the tilt stand, cut the plywood so it
is shaped to sit on the desk/shelf and the top is angled the same as the
top of the equipment. I would think the top of the plywood separator
should be a bit below the top of the equipment.
Just an idea, implementation is left to "the student".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/22/2017 6:02 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

> How about a small block under the soft handle? The handle would then easily protect another piece of equipment.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:12 PM
> To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet
>
> I have given a "proper" spacing/protecting engineering solution serious thought on a number of occasions.
>

K7TV

Re: FW: Handles and feet

In reply to this post by Clay Autery

Great idea, Bill!
Something I might experiment with: how thick a block is required to make
sure the soft part is always touched by the next box, while the potentially
sharp parts cannot be touched.

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Johnson [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:03 PM
To: Clay Autery <[hidden email]>; Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>;
[hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet

How about a small block under the soft handle? The handle would then easily
protect another piece of equipment.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Clay
Autery
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:12 PM
To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet

I have given a "proper" spacing/protecting engineering solution serious
thought on a number of occasions.

I will simply come up with something that meets the requirements when I get
to that bridge.

I'm more inclined to incorporate a spacing plan with a replacement of the
side panels or some way to protect the vulnerable front/rear panels.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 4/22/2017 11:33 AM, Erik Basilier wrote:

the right and left of the two radios.
> That means on the right hand side, the boxes are in the standard "K-line"
> order, but on the left hand side, the transceiver handle is free to
> scratch the neighboring P3. That is what actually happened, but it
> could have been a speaker or other box getting scratched. With the two
> transceivers side-by-side in the middle, the side feet of the
> left-hand radio are positioned next to the handle of the right-hand
> radio, but they are thinner than the handle, and there is the
> potential for the handle to scratch the left-hand radio in spite of the
feet.

>
> I realize that most people are not interested in dual-radio
> configurations, but some may have their own reasons for placing their
> boxes in a unique order. It seems to me that the handles could be
> redesigned so as to have no sharp edges that can cause scratches, or
> even better, redesigned so at to incorporate rubber bumpers. Also, the
> standard side panel feet could be made slightly thicker (i.e. thicker
> than the handles) , and/or available as add-on options for those who
> don't use the standard box ordering. Just an idea, and I am not
> holding my breath. In the meantime, I may go with removable stick-on
> feet, whether the common non-durable types or the better quality ones
> suggested by Clay. (In his original suggestion it was not clear to me
> that they were easily removable.) As to glue remaining after a cheap
> rubber foot has fallen off, I have in the past been successful
> removing it with denaturated alcohol, but the paint was left slightly
> dull. That was on a "Fine Junk" box, and I would not be surprised it
> the high quality Elecraft paint stands up much better. Goo Gone may be
> better, but I think the dullness was caused by the glue reacting with the

inferior paint, not the alcohol, as surrounding areas touched by the alcohol
did not become dull.

>
> Not lacking solutions here, just in the mindset of discussing ideals.
> My comment was triggered by the image showing the KPA1500 handle. It
> was not intended to detract from the fact that the KPA1500 comes so
> close to so many of our wishes for the ideal legal power amplifier,
> including my own. I really believe the KPA1500 fills a need, and that
> the price is reasonable for what it is. For me it is not immediately
> affordable, but that is a separate issue. Maybe one day ....
>
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Autery [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:14 AM
> To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Handles and feet - was KPA 500 vs New 1500
> watt amp
>
> Never said I would use that solution.... and it would not affect
> resale as it is cleanly removable without tool or solvent and no
> marring of the surface.
>
> I am perfectly happy with the stock side panel protectors. :-)
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
>

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