Re: K3 12v ERR
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>...the power was lower than usual and there was a 12 ERR message on screen...
>I turned it off and on again... >the ERR message came up again and 8 watts indicated. Power amp fried? Nope - you just have an early K3 with steel pins between the motherboard and the PA. They have become tarnished with heat, and won't pass the current. All early K3s can expect to have this problem sooner or later, IMHO. That was a big 'oops' - newer K3s have gold pins. K3 Support can send you pictures of a 'bypass surgery' mod that will be a good workaround. I did it, and have had no further problems. Ralph, VE7XF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally
on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a few times. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/11/2011 6:49 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: >> ...the power was lower than usual and there was a 12 ERR message on screen... >> I turned it off and on again... >> the ERR message came up again and 8 watts indicated. Power amp fried? > Nope - you just have an early K3 with steel pins between the motherboard > and the PA. They have become tarnished with heat, and won't pass the current. > All early K3s can expect to have this problem sooner or later, IMHO. > That was a big 'oops' - newer K3s have gold pins. > > K3 Support can send you pictures of a 'bypass surgery' mod that will be a > good workaround. I did it, and have had no further problems. > > Ralph, VE7XF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Hi Ralph,
Thanks for *that* information. I own K3 #24, built in 2007 and working fine since then, and have never had the problem described. However, Elecraft may have used different connectors in very early kits. I'll check for the steel pins, but suspect they're gold-plate. You're sure they're steel and not BeCu? Again - thanks for the info! 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:49:09 -0800, you wrote: >>...the power was lower than usual and there was a 12 ERR message on screen... >>I turned it off and on again... >>the ERR message came up again and 8 watts indicated. Power amp fried? > >Nope - you just have an early K3 with steel pins between the motherboard >and the PA. They have become tarnished with heat, and won't pass the current. >All early K3s can expect to have this problem sooner or later, IMHO. >That was a big 'oops' - newer K3s have gold pins. > >K3 Support can send you pictures of a 'bypass surgery' mod that will be a >good workaround. I did it, and have had no further problems. > >Ralph, VE7XF > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I just got a new KPA board and it did not have gold pins on the board.....
Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/11/2011 10:05 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > Hi Ralph, > > Thanks for *that* information. I own K3 #24, built in 2007 and > working fine since then, and have never had the problem described. > However, Elecraft may have used different connectors in very early > kits. > > I'll check for the steel pins, but suspect they're gold-plate. You're > sure they're steel and not BeCu? > > Again - thanks for the info! > > 73, > matt W6NIA > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:49:09 -0800, you wrote: > >>> ...the power was lower than usual and there was a 12 ERR message on screen... >>> I turned it off and on again... >>> the ERR message came up again and 8 watts indicated. Power amp fried? >> Nope - you just have an early K3 with steel pins between the motherboard >> and the PA. They have become tarnished with heat, and won't pass the current. >> All early K3s can expect to have this problem sooner or later, IMHO. >> That was a big 'oops' - newer K3s have gold pins. >> >> K3 Support can send you pictures of a 'bypass surgery' mod that will be a >> good workaround. I did it, and have had no further problems. >> >> Ralph, VE7XF >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Well.... not 'liberally'. Deoxit suggests that you use a very small amount. I guess that
would be 'conservatively'! No politics intended! On 12/11/2011 8:25 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally > on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a > few times. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > On 12/11/2011 6:49 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: >>> ...the power was lower than usual and there was a 12 ERR message on screen... >>> I turned it off and on again... >>> the ERR message came up again and 8 watts indicated. Power amp fried? >> Nope - you just have an early K3 with steel pins between the motherboard >> and the PA. They have become tarnished with heat, and won't pass the current. >> All early K3s can expect to have this problem sooner or later, IMHO. >> That was a big 'oops' - newer K3s have gold pins. >> >> K3 Support can send you pictures of a 'bypass surgery' mod that will be a >> good workaround. I did it, and have had no further problems. >> >> Ralph, VE7XF >> -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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When troubleshooting my KPA board issues Rene at Elecraft used the term
liberally, they are in California....draw your own conclusions HI! He said to make sure both the pins and the terminal strip was well coated. I have a K3 SN in the 600's and I have never seen this error either. It was my other K3 in the 2300's where one of the drivers failed. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/11/2011 10:42 PM, Vic K2VCO wrote: > Well.... not 'liberally'. Deoxit suggests that you use a very small amount. I guess that > would be 'conservatively'! > > No politics intended! > > On 12/11/2011 8:25 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally >> on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a >> few times. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> >> On 12/11/2011 6:49 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: >>>> ...the power was lower than usual and there was a 12 ERR message on screen... >>>> I turned it off and on again... >>>> the ERR message came up again and 8 watts indicated. Power amp fried? >>> Nope - you just have an early K3 with steel pins between the motherboard >>> and the PA. They have become tarnished with heat, and won't pass the current. >>> All early K3s can expect to have this problem sooner or later, IMHO. >>> That was a big 'oops' - newer K3s have gold pins. >>> >>> K3 Support can send you pictures of a 'bypass surgery' mod that will be a >>> good workaround. I did it, and have had no further problems. >>> >>> Ralph, VE7XF >>> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Due to an ordering misunderstanding I have 2 different Deoxit versions, standard cleaner and Deoxit Gold. According to the instructions the cleaner cleans(!) and the Gold is applied post cleaning to prevent any subsequent oxidation/tarnishing. Wonder which everyone's using..?
Not had any problems with the PA module on K3 #145 but plenty with the front panel connections which Deoxit fixes..... 73, Stewart, GW0ETF
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Stewart,
With several known issues with corrosion or bad contact being made with the numerous connections in the K3, I am wondering what could be done differently at manufacture that might alleviate some of these issues at least? I wonder if there different types of connectors out there that are perhaps less prone to what we are seeing? Just sitting here pondering listening to the static on 40M which is enough to get the mind wandering...:-) 73 Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: GW0ETF To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v ERR - Deoxit Due to an ordering misunderstanding I have 2 different Deoxit versions, standard cleaner and Deoxit Gold. According to the instructions the cleaner cleans(!) and the Gold is applied post cleaning to prevent any subsequent oxidation/tarnishing. Wonder which everyone's using..? Not had any problems with the PA module on K3 #145 but plenty with the front panel connections which Deoxit fixes..... 73, Stewart, GW0ETF w0mu wrote > > I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally > on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a > few times. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3-12v-ERR-tp7084750p7085408.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I have never had such problems with my K2 which uses a front
panel/control unit coupled to the main board with connectors. It does seem a design modification is desirable for the K3. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Gary VK4FD <[hidden email]> writes >With several known issues with corrosion or bad contact being made with >the numerous connections in the K3, I am wondering what could be done >differently at manufacture that might alleviate some of these issues at >least? > >I wonder if there different types of connectors out there that are >perhaps less prone to what we are seeing? -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Radio Shack sells a combo package with the regular Deoxit and their Gold
Deoxit. The normal deoxit is for non gold connectors and the gold is for gold contacts. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 12/12/2011 8:55 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Hi Stewart: > > I use Caig DeoxIT D100L in the bottle with applicator. The label says > "Cleans, Enhances, Lubricates& Protects Electrical Connections", and it > does that very well. > > I also have a spray that I use only when I can't get to the contacts and > must blast the spray into a small opening such as cleaning a noisy old-style > potentiometer. > > For everything else I apply a tiny amount of the Deoxit directly to the > contacts. Doing that, a small bottle will last for hundreds, if not > thousands of contacts. I have a 25 mL bottle that is at least 5 years old > and only about 20% used! > > They also have other products, such "Progold" or "PreserveIt" that can be > applied after using the D100L. They say it further preserves the contacts, > but I've never tried them. > > 73, > > Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of GW0ETF > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:42 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v ERR - Deoxit > > Due to an ordering misunderstanding I have 2 different Deoxit versions, > standard cleaner and Deoxit Gold. According to the instructions the cleaner > cleans(!) and the Gold is applied post cleaning to prevent any subsequent > oxidation/tarnishing. Wonder which everyone's using..? > > Not had any problems with the PA module on K3 #145 but plenty with the front > panel connections which Deoxit fixes..... > > 73, > > Stewart, GW0ETF > > > > w0mu wrote >> I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally >> on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a >> few times. >> >> Mike W0MU >> >> W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3-12v-ERR-tp7084750p7085408.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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To further the discussion I use Corrosion X on everything electrical. I have two charter boats and it works. No debate intended and I am not suggesting Corrosion X is better than Deoxit, just putting the information out there.
Capt. Jack W4GRJ On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:09, W0MU Mike Fatchett <[hidden email]> wrote: > Radio Shack sells a combo package with the regular Deoxit and their Gold > Deoxit. The normal deoxit is for non gold connectors and the gold is > for gold contacts. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Does anyone know when the connectors were changed? Date or serial number?
Easy to tell if the connectors should be updated? Haven't seen the problem here. But would like to plan or take care of the problem while I have the time and not when I am in an off-shore location. Tnx 73, N2TK, tony #311 #1435 -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary VK4FD Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:01 AM To: GW0ETF; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v ERR - Deoxit Stewart, With several known issues with corrosion or bad contact being made with the numerous connections in the K3, I am wondering what could be done differently at manufacture that might alleviate some of these issues at least? I wonder if there different types of connectors out there that are perhaps less prone to what we are seeing? Just sitting here pondering listening to the static on 40M which is enough to get the mind wandering...:-) 73 Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: GW0ETF To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v ERR - Deoxit Due to an ordering misunderstanding I have 2 different Deoxit versions, standard cleaner and Deoxit Gold. According to the instructions the cleaner cleans(!) and the Gold is applied post cleaning to prevent any subsequent oxidation/tarnishing. Wonder which everyone's using..? Not had any problems with the PA module on K3 #145 but plenty with the front panel connections which Deoxit fixes..... 73, Stewart, GW0ETF w0mu wrote > > I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally > on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a > few times. > > Mike W0MU > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3-12v-ERR-tp7084750p7085408.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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>...a small bottle will last for hundreds, if not thousands of contacts...
Unless you knock it over on the workbench. The red stain is still there. Ralph, VE7XF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: K3 12v ERR - Deoxit
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If you remove your KPA3, it should be obvious if you have gold pins or
not, in the connectors that mate with the riser board. I believe that the standard factory repair for this problem replaces only the 6 pins that carry the 12V supply to the PA. I'm not sure how new K3s are equipped (all gold pins, or only those 6). ~iain / N6ML On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:01 AM, N2TK, Tony <[hidden email]> wrote: > Does anyone know when the connectors were changed? Date or serial number? > Easy to tell if the connectors should be updated? > Haven't seen the problem here. But would like to plan or take care of the > problem while I have the time and not when I am in an off-shore location. > Tnx > 73, > N2TK, tony > #311 > #1435 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary VK4FD > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:01 AM > To: GW0ETF; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v ERR - Deoxit > > Stewart, > > With several known issues with corrosion or bad contact being made with the > numerous connections in the K3, I am wondering what could be done > differently at manufacture that might alleviate some of these issues at > least? > > I wonder if there different types of connectors out there that are perhaps > less prone to what we are seeing? > > Just sitting here pondering listening to the static on 40M which is enough > to get the mind wandering...:-) > > 73 > > Gary > > > VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile > Elecraft Equipment > K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 > Living the dream!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GW0ETF > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 12v ERR - Deoxit > > > Due to an ordering misunderstanding I have 2 different Deoxit versions, > standard cleaner and Deoxit Gold. According to the instructions the > cleaner > cleans(!) and the Gold is applied post cleaning to prevent any subsequent > oxidation/tarnishing. Wonder which everyone's using..? > > Not had any problems with the PA module on K3 #145 but plenty with the > front > panel connections which Deoxit fixes..... > > 73, > > Stewart, GW0ETF > > > > w0mu wrote > > > > I believe you can also purchase a can of deoxit and spray it liberally > > on the pins and connector side and carefully plug and unplug the board a > > few times. > > > > Mike W0MU > > > > W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-K3-12v-ERR-tp7084750p7085408.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Guys,
Thanks for all the replies to my original question below. Had a closer look at what I have and the 'cleaner' is the D100L (Caig). I got them both from a HiFi supplier in the UK in 2ml squeeze tubes...about £5 a throw but it goes a long way! May have mentioned this before but I use those small interdental brushes to apply the stuff; if you get some of the really small ones you can get inside the header sockets as well. This way just a few microlitres can coat everything... 73, Stewart, GW0ETF
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In reply to this post by Vic Rosenthal
We use Deoxit here at work at Xerox where I am in the service area. When using deoxit over the years it has been found to be excellent but after some years after its application issues have arisen mostly due to over application. Some time ago, to solve this we switched from the 100% solution to the 5% solution "d5l" and found that it worked as well with less issues over time because of the much lower residue and better cleaning/flushing. This is really great stuff. its also great on Vintage gear.
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