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Re: K3 Filter IMD numbers

dj7mgq
Good Morning/Day/Evening/Night,

While the numbers which Eric posted a few days ago are interesting, not to
mention very good... Congrats! ...I am still wondering about the 2100Hz and
1800Hz filter figures and the 2kHz numbers for 2700/2800Hz would also be rather
interesting, because they would "look deeply into the IF chain".

I suppose we will have to wait for somebody to do some "heavy" testing.

vy 73 de toby

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Re: Re: K3 Filter IMD numbers

Don Wilhelm-4
Toby,

I believe you have stumbled onto something that should be carefully
defined when testing with wide roofing filters when the DSP IF is set to
the more typical testing bandwidth of 500 Hz.   The K3 has both IF shift
and narrow passbands available in DSP and they can be effectively used
together.  Then we hear about the 'narrow filtering with wings' in a
recent post and that would further complicate matters.

It seems to me that a lot of the DSP setup characteristics must be
defined for any test to assure test repeatability.  I can envision test
setups to make the 2 kHz spacing 'numbers' for the wide filters look
good or bad depending on the rest of the parameters.  That may be why
the list posted by Eric had 'n/a' for the 2 kHz number for the wide
filters.  For instance when both signals are within the roofing filter
bandpass, the results will depend only on the DSP and based on the
number of bits used in the input DAC, the BDR should be in the vicinity
of 90 dB, but very different (and better) numbers can be obtained by
placing one signal inside and the other outside the roofing filter - so
I conclude that the receiver setup details must be better defined for
any test using 2 kHz spacing.

73,
Don W3FPR

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> Good Morning/Day/Evening/Night,
>
> While the numbers which Eric posted a few days ago are interesting, not to
> mention very good... Congrats! ...I am still wondering about the 2100Hz and
> 1800Hz filter figures and the 2kHz numbers for 2700/2800Hz would also be rather
> interesting, because they would "look deeply into the IF chain".
>
> I suppose we will have to wait for somebody to do some "heavy" testing.
>
> vy 73 de toby
>
>  
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Re: Re: K3 Filter IMD numbers

dj7mgq
Hallo Don,

> I believe you have stumbled onto something that should be carefully
> defined when testing with wide roofing filters when the DSP IF is set to
> the more typical testing bandwidth of 500 Hz. <etc. etc. etc.>

Stumble is the right word for it - I hadn't thought about this.

I would suggest that the DSP filter should have the "same" bandwidth as the
roofing filter for this kind of testing. I'm a photographer by training and
currently write software for TV graphics systems, so I am sure there are many on
the list who might have more sensible suggestions.

vy 73 de toby

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