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JHRichards

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what
features are already developed and cast in stone?

Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure
be viable and fully functional on the first production units?

How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and
advance a capital development loan?

Will all three models be available in the first production run?

Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long
until the second run?

How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data?

K8JHR
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David Gilbert

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

You're asking for concrete answers to questions Elecraft has already
stated for the most part are not yet final. Stuff like that is what
makes companies wait until everything is nailed down before saying
anything. They said November was the target, and they called it a
target because everything ISN'T nailed down yet (they NEVER called it a
"promise"). How is that not pretty clear?

Dave AB7E

On 6/3/2019 6:36 PM, Richards wrote:

>
> What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what
> features are already developed and cast in stone?
>
> Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure
> be viable and fully functional on the first production units?
>
> How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and
> advance a capital development loan?
>
> Will all three models be available in the first production run?
>
> Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how
> long until the second run?
>
> How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data?
>
> K8JHR
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>
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Nr4c

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

Good grief!

This is computer hardware and software. A business where “before end of year” really means 2 hours before midnight.

And the “First Quarter” runs until May or June.

Don’t look for all the features to be fully implemented on first delivered radios. Even the K3S is still a work in progress!

About “Production Runs”

Elecraft is a small company. They will prob build 25 or so radios for field testers. This will allow some training for the small staff of assemblers.

Once they are satisfied with the product, they will begin assembling the first radios. These builders are not robots. But humans who must go thru the process of building a kit, without the “assembly manual” and it takes time. Once built, it goes to the burnin rack where it will sit for up to 24 hours being tested and evaluated. Now to packing and shipping. This “run”, one radio. The first week may see a dozen radios out the door. It slowly grows from here.

I’ve waited in line for a KX3, a PX3, and K3S.

I visited the “plant” a few years ago and spoke with a K3 builder. He said he could build a K3 in under an hour. But he’d built maybe a thousand by then. And the parts were all there in bins around his work area.

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...nr4c. bill

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:30 PM, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> You're asking for concrete answers to questions Elecraft has already stated for the most part are not yet final. Stuff like that is what makes companies wait until everything is nailed down before saying anything. They said November was the target, and they called it a target because everything ISN'T nailed down yet (they NEVER called it a "promise"). How is that not pretty clear?
>
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
>> On 6/3/2019 6:36 PM, Richards wrote:
>>
>> What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what features are already developed and cast in stone?
>>
>> Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure be viable and fully functional on the first production units?
>>
>> How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and advance a capital development loan?
>>
>> Will all three models be available in the first production run?
>>
>> Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long until the second run?
>>
>> How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data?
>>
>> K8JHR
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>>
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rich hurd WC3T

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

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I’m amazed at the amount of detail some list members expect from Elecraft
for their new products. Good Lord. This isn’t a lifesaving piece of
hardware, it’s a radio.

To all the Veruca Salts on the list, I say “Relax.”

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 21:36 Richards <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what
> features are already developed and cast in stone?
>
> Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure
> be viable and fully functional on the first production units?
>
> How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and
> advance a capital development loan?
>
> Will all three models be available in the first production run?
>
> Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long
> until the second run?
>
> How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data?
>
> K8JHR
> ------------------------------------
>
>
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Michael Walker

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

Having worked a very long and hard career in the Hardware, Software and the
Solution/Appliance department, the short story is that it will be shipped
when it is ready and not before. The dates are a soft target. Always.
This isn't the latest Apple iPhone. it is a highly complicated device
built in small numbers (again, based on something like an iPhone).
Companies like Elecraft and others do this because they love the
technology and giving back. I guarantee that no one is getting rich on
it. if so, the Elecraft Lear Jet would be parked in Dayton in May.

Pushing something out the door early can cause supportability issues and
that causes increased costs for the actual product and that means the
customer pays more. And, we all know how cheap hams are.

No one works for free and this is a hobby. Everyone has a life to live and
other higher priorities.

No one will die if it ships late. Period.

flame away.. Mike

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:57 AM rich hurd WC3T <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I’m amazed at the amount of detail some list members expect from Elecraft
> for their new products. Good Lord. This isn’t a lifesaving piece of
> hardware, it’s a radio.
>
> To all the Veruca Salts on the list, I say “Relax.”
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 21:36 Richards <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > What K4 features and capabilities remain under development, and what
> > features are already developed and cast in stone?
> >
> > Will all features and specifications described in the product brochure
> > be viable and fully functional on the first production units?
> >
> > How long will buyers wait to buy one, if they do not buy in early and
> > advance a capital development loan?
> >
> > Will all three models be available in the first production run?
> >
> > Will all pre-orders ship in the first production run? If not, how long
> > until the second run?
> >
> > How definite is the promised Late Nov/ Early December 2019 release data?
> >
> > K8JHR
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> >
> >
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Doug Renwick

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

Yes, but I might die before it ships.

Doug

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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No one will die if it ships late. Period.

flame away.. Mike

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Gary Smith-2

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

Possibly, but then you won't have to read
the bellyaching about how it wasn't made
the way someone wanted.

There's always a silver lining :)

Gary

> Yes, but I might die before it ships.
>
> Doug
>
> "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its
> limits." Albert Einstein
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> -----Original Message-----
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> No one will die if it ships late. Period.
>
> flame away.. Mike
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K4 Production Prognosis

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And with that note - let's end this thread in the interest of maintaining a
reasonable list SNR.

73,
Eric
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On 6/4/2019 12:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> Possibly, but then you won't have to read
> the bellyaching about how it wasn't made
> the way someone wanted.
>
> There's always a silver lining :)
>
>
> Gary
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